[M][N]Hammertime Mafia - Page 9

On January 29 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote:


You're not being helpful right now...

On January 29 2015 01:45 liancourt wrote:
Before I sleep a few of my thoughts.

1. Onegu not hammering GB when he had 4 votes.

This does not make him confirmed town. The argument that mafia "would have" hammered gb under the assumption that gb is town is invalid because mafia could have just as well not hammered to make themselves townie. Thus the argument is very much wifom. There are several premises for this argument.

GB is town. (assumption) The basis for this argument/hypothesis
Mafia hammers on town. (assumption) The general logic held by the players that mafia would definitely hammer town when given the chance.
Onegu did not hammer on GB. (fact)
ergo
Onegu is town. (assumption) conclusion

The conclusion is a fallacy because it's based on 2 assumptions. 2 dangerous assumptions.

2. GB self voting making him town

This also does not make him confirmed town. Mafia can just as well self vote. Self voting is not a town trait. The argument is wifom since both allignments can do it.

The premise that:

Self voting is town. (assumption/hypo)
GB self voted. (fact/truth)
ergo
GB is town (assumption)

The conclusion here is also a fallacy because the premise is an assumption.

Socrates is a man. (fact)
Men are mortal. (fact)
ergo
Socrates is mortal. (fact)

For something to be confirmed the premises all need to be facts, but every argument has been based on "assumptions" of mafia would do this and that. I will not let town have confirmed townies based on assumption and an argument that is a fallacy. I've seen it in carol and I've seen it on nye. Both times were on vote analysis and they were all absolutely wrong. In carol it was the 2 wagons on d2. Town assumed that the 2 wagons couldn't possibly be 2 mafia which they were. In nye scum changed his vote off of a townie to vote an outlier when the 2 wagons were town & scum. The votes were close iirc it was a 1 vote difference and scum instead of insuring the town ml took off his vote and voted for an outlier...The conclusion that followed was that the other wagon was not mafia because scum would have kept his vote on the townie. Well it was wrong totally. Other wagon was scum. These were all because of town's ASSUMPTIONS. Don't make assumptions. Make reads based on content please. Making assumption is the sure fire way of losing this game.

GB and Onegu are not confirmed town.

Town needs to read GB and Onegu w/o factoring in the self vote incident and how onegu didn't hammer. Examine them by content please. Don't make the mistake again I beg you. I have them as my scum, so please read into them. Also toad hasn't done anything distinctive and seems content doing nothing.

I will like to lynch into these 3 ppl.

Onegu >gb > toad

I will hopefully wake up before deadline unless someone else gets hammered first. Imma sleep now. See you tomorrow early and i can interact live with the thread.

On January 29 2015 01:48 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm not in total disagreement...

On January 29 2015 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:

I think I like you better when you incorrectly call me mafia, if you can believe that.

On January 29 2015 02:17 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok no. Palmar do something.

##VOTE: Palmar

I will not lose to this display.

On January 29 2015 03:34 Eden1892 wrote:

Lynch this guy for being useless