EPTOn January 31 2015 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
....that did make me feel a little better.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
....that did make me feel a little better.
How does voting with GB make you feel
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On January 28 2015 12:07 IAmRobik wrote: Eden and Palmar: I just read pg 50 and am utterly baffled at how you two are analyzing what GB said. He had absolutely no reason to fear being lynched in that spot as mafia and his explanation is total horseshit. "think about the vote" means nothing. LITERALLY NOTHING. You gave him 11 hours to fabricate a reason for the self-vote when it was obvious he was fucking conceding as mafia. Then he comes back with an explataion that is such utter horseshit that I'm amazed that you actually consider it. Am I wrong about you? Are you Adam Sandler from the Waterboy? "I self voted because I knew that mafia wouldn't hammer me" NO SHIT. HE VOTED TO MAKE IT 3 VOTES ON HIM. TOWN IS A BUNCH OF PUSSIES AND ABSOLUTELY NEVER EVER EVER hammer in that spot. It just doesn't hammer. And if someone votes him (like palmar did), he can just unvote mere minutes later. I'm literally blown away by the stupidity in this thread from people whose play I actually respect. I don't know if I can even keep reading what happens from pg 51-53 because my hands are shaking that's how mad I am Me telling plammar to vote with me after editting his post to say your name instead of toad's On January 29 2015 05:04 IAmRobik wrote: Plammmmmar, can we lynch GB yet PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE spread more misinformation that is provably false. You're just making it easier and easier to bury you | ||
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On January 31 2015 01:38 GlowingBear wrote: ROBIK. Let's consider, for a moment, that we are both town. Who are scum? Palmar | ||
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On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote: What about the second one, Robik? Anyone can be with palmar. If I had to rank the order of who is with palmar it would look something like: lian > you > me > HTS > VE ....i'm missing someone but i don't remember who it is | ||
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I don't know where he ranks in regards to interaction with palmar. Off the top of my head I don't remember. If I had to rank him in terms of how town/mafia he is, it's really difficult for me to say. If GB is mafia, I guess it's likely he could be mafia defending his partner, but I think that the way that GB went after him at the beginning of the game and seemed to really want to have him lynched means that he's not mafia with GB. If GB is town, then he could be mafia defending a townie for credit or he could just genuinely believe that GB is town. I think just based off of these two factors I kinda TR him. He also brought up the point of liancourt/VE. I think that that's not something that a mafia remembers off the top of their head and stashes it to bring up later. It seems like he's actually thinking about the game. HAVING SAID THAT: He did something really scummy early on when he called me town because I was scummy. I pointed it out earlier. It's something that should not be overlooked because it literally just happened the previous game when Ritoky was mafia and called me town for bad reasons because of TMI. This could very well be the case in this game. Overall town, caveat be weary. | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote: This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list? By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1? I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why? Because I'm a realist and palmar and i haven't had any interactions that couldn't be maf/maf, but i put myself lower than you because i'm not mafia. The reason you're on the list is because I definitely considered at times that you two could have been executing a play where you fake martyr to bring it to 3 votes, he votes you to make it 4 and then you unvote to make it 3 and then decide to TR each other later on based off of a really poor explanation for how you were making a "play" and then you "caught him" and then that gets blown out the window. The reason why HTS is on that list above VE even though I TR HTS more than VE is because I just don't see VE/Plammar interaction being maf/maf. Do you disagree with my analysis anywhere? | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote: Yes. If you're town, the fact that you're town is the most explicit fact that your interactions with palmar shouldn't be mafia/mafia. You can't see things through an impartial POV when you're in the game. When I ask you things, I want your perspective, only, and not a fabricated impartial POV. So take my name out of that list if you want. I think that HTS is the towniest person in the game, but that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna include her in the list and if i'm looking at it objectively from my perspective, i think that if palmar is mafia, she's more likely to be mafia than VE, even though I think that HTS is town. | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: Also, I have problems with your Onegu reads. If you realise, I haven't been talking about him anymore. Why do you believe in the WIFOM mafia great plan between me and palmar, but does not believe me and Onegu could be mafia together? Easiest thing for scum to do is to scumread his scum partner in the beginning of the game and completely forget him. Also, you townreading him over my interaction with him, but having no good idea about his filters and eve forgetting he is in the game seems odd. Cause I remember that part of the game. When I was making my post about the team with palmar, I forgot he was in the game. The interaction between you two seems very much like the interaction between palmar and ve. I don't think it's maf/maf. The reason I think it's more likely for the two of you as opposed to palmar/ve is because the venom seemed really genuine from a one sided direction from VE to palmar. It felt a bit different the other way around. Plus, there was never really pressure on palmar or ve until today, as opposed to there being pressure on you and a little on onegu. | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote: I can understand this, Robik. I'm just saying that I want your perspective only. Not an objective view of the game. I'll repeat the question and I want your view only ok? Considering I'm not town: Who is the scum team? How me being town changes things? So, i'll expose why I think palmari s scum if you're town: He made a post where he already assumed that you were town. I forget where it was but it made me think: "Shit, is palmar mafia knowing that GB is town". I'll try to find it at some point. That's kinda why I really wanted you to flip yesterday (aside from my thinking that you're scum). I think if you flip town, palmar is always mafia. The second one will be harder to find and would require me to delve deeper | ||
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On January 31 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote: Ok. Now, supposing I'm mafia: what do you're of me voting palmar? You're probably with lian given your desire to vote palmar over him even though he is a possible mislynch if you're scum with someone else. Could be busing plammmar, but less likely. your progression of a mafia read on plammmmar doesn't make much sense, but I don't know if that's because you're mafia together or whether you're trying to get a mislynch and have no actual reason to SR him. It's really hard for me to TR you because you spend all game calling me mafia when I'm town and because even when I explain that you're wrong and why you're wrong and accuse you of being mafia for being wrong, you just flick it off like I'm not making sense...when it's super fucking obvious that I make all the sense in the world | ||
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On January 31 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: Also, although it requires you to delve deeper: based on your reads so far and in the world where I'm town and palmar is mafia, from your POV, who probably is his partners? I know you have to delve deeper but if you had to guess. Who is it? As I explained earlier, Lian seems like a likely partner. Palmar went ham at toad and got him mislynched when Lian was up on the table. If you are town, he switched from one town to another town, which is pretty meh. As mafia, I don't 100% understand the motivation behind taking it off of you and onto Toad, unless he thought that pushing a read hard and being wrong would look less scummy than placing a policy vote on you and getting you mislynched. | ||
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On January 31 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote: Some of your reads on me were forced or revealed extreme tunnel, Robik. I didn't agree with your explanations. But I'm trying to see it through a very tunnelled townie perspective and, tbh, I'm kinda getting able to see it. I also have a bad feeling regarding palmar. What did you think was weird on my read progression on palmar? You "caught" him. Then you TR'd him after his (pretty obvious) explanation of his spite vote. Then you came out today SRing him and me and then voting him with nothing beyond "oh he lead a mislynch and he feels off" | ||
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On January 31 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote: You see, from our conversation here, we have similar reading patterns: You think scum is basically between me, lian and palmar. I once thought scum was basically between you, lian and palmar. How do you think this scenario affects the night kill on night1? Eden was universally TR'd so he was killed. I don't think it's really something worth spending time on. | ||
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That exact quote is good, and his anger at you calling you mafia or shit town was good, but like there was never really much back and forth. I remember there was the questioning, but I already explained that that plan could have been previously contrived. I will say that Eden dying over me is a strong reason to give me pause about you, but I don't think you would have any chance of surviving the next day if I died last night anyway | ||
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On January 31 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote: No mafia motive to do that Robik, that's what I'm trying to say. Here is the thing: Palmar says that he didn't the day to end. But he votes me out of spite not caring if the day will end or not. Not caring if I was town because he says it's a policy lynch (easy excuse for mafia) Then I show him that he isn't that aggressive with that policy thing because he didn't want to lynch a martyr in another game He says it's irrelevant and dismisses it. Do you understand the damning contradiction about him? Yes. I understand. That was like the one good point you had, but I'm so far deep in the tunnel, that I'm not sure I can get out. There's still no light | ||
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