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On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:Sanity please. Good morning. Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad
I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.
How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile.
I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3
That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then.
Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours?
I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1.
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On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote:
Eden is town
So this leaves:
GB
lian
Toad
Onegu
But then again I'm bad and idk.
The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right?
I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much.
if you take out my name from that list those other three have been the ones I want to lynch every since the last... 24 hours? ... what does that tell us about what you should be thinking about me?
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On January 27 2015 18:36 Eden1892 wrote:
bruh you just said GB has the same value as a policy lynch
how you gonna turn around and be like "oh yeah lian/onegu/gb were my lynches"
I said GB flipping town would be the same as a failed policy lynch which is the reason he's behind the other two despite being on the same "level" for me. He might even be slightly more scummy.
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On January 27 2015 19:09 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 19:05 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 18:36 Eden1892 wrote:
bruh you just said GB has the same value as a policy lynch
how you gonna turn around and be like "oh yeah lian/onegu/gb were my lynches" I said GB flipping town would be the same as a failed policy lynch which is the reason he's behind the other two despite being on the same "level" for me. He might even be slightly more scummy. you're worrying too much about how the wagons might or might not look at EOD and too little about tracking down and lynching your suspects. refocus please
I already mentioned yesterday that I liked HTS case, especially in one particular point and said that single point is the best thing the game has seen so far and I still think that way. And I said that makes me feel way better about GB being mafia.
Take a step back and look at it from my pov. I townread GB quite heavily 36~48 hours ago. I'm not just going to push that all mentally away and be like "well duh, guy has to be mafia". It's obviously still popping up in the back of my head and making me wonder where I went wrong because I have to figure this out... That just reflects my general idea that I'd like to postpone decisions like that for a day and see what happens, thus saying he's only the third for me despite all that.
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On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad?
I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently.
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On January 27 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 19:33 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad? I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently. So what? I feel like it's a mafia thing to do. Unlike all the baddies who cling to meta, I don't care if it's been done before or if he has done it before. I think it's a scummy way to frame your posting this current game.
what do you make of him getting in the game and having said before it started that he'll try something new? You think he had different things planned for different alignments or would he just ignore it if rolling town? I'd consider that... well not cheating but getting yourself an advantage
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besides... I don't think I should talk about this stuff. I think I made my point clear: I'd prefer one of the other 2 for today. If GB happens to be the lynch I'm fine with lynching him too
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On January 27 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 18:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote:
Eden is town
So this leaves:
GB
lian
Toad
Onegu
But then again I'm bad and idk.
The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right?
I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much. if you take out my name from that list those other three have been the ones I want to lynch every since the last... 24 hours? ... what does that tell us about what you should be thinking about me? This post is complete horseshit Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:Sanity please. Good morning. Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad
I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.
How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile. I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 08:19 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts. I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now... I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time. That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone. the more I think about that one point, the more I like it actually. It is clearly showing mafia agenda, more so than any other case done so far, including my own reads that are all based on how people are interacting here because d1 is usually really hard to get some mafia agenda when noone has flipped yet. I'd be voting him if I didn't want to make sure we get more time right now. There's still the lingering fear that he's bad and the easy mislynch but it makes me feel way better about this. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts. I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now... I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time. That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"?
I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest. In fact I am much more sure on Toad being mafia than GB. But lynching both might be fine. The point here is Toad is waffling so hard on GB that it's almost painful
are you fucking for real? I even explained it once more when Eden asked about it and said that's not what it I mean...
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whatever... Palmar apparently went crazy and a bunch of people too. Lynch down the list:
Ongegu
Lian
GB
and we win.
##vote GlowingBear
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On January 28 2015 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Who else went crazy?
everyone who suddendly went like "WOA WOA REREAD TOAD AND I TOTALLY SEE IT AFTER YOU IGNORED THAT ONE POST WHERE TOAD TOLD EDEN HOW TO READ HIS RANTS".
everyone's like that without even having mentioned what they think... hts is still town I feel, same as you. Robik could be mafia riding whatever is popular with people that say alot.
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just make sure to lynch down my list afterwards and that'll be fine
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On January 28 2015 02:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
just make sure to lynch down my list afterwards and that'll be fine Look mama more martyrs
I got home like 20 minutes ago... what do you expect me to do right now
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On January 28 2015 02:00 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 01:59 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2015 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Who else went crazy? everyone who suddendly went like "WOA WOA REREAD TOAD AND I TOTALLY SEE IT AFTER YOU IGNORED THAT ONE POST WHERE TOAD TOLD EDEN HOW TO READ HIS RANTS". everyone's like that without even having mentioned what they think... hts is still town I feel, same as you. Robik could be mafia riding whatever is popular with people that say alot. Are you even reading this fucking game? I'M LEADING THIS LYNCH!
no you're not...
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I mean, with meaningful discussion like this I might as well just make sure that if worst case happens and you guys actually lynch me you continue with Onegu, Lian and GB instead of raging at other people... though Robik deserves some rage
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On January 28 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
Kill toad!!!!!!!!!!
have you ever stated why I'm confirmed mafia besides the big posts that were taking out of context (though I have to admit, Eden apparently didn't read them the way I intended you to read them either, which is why I cleared things up, you know, the posts you ignored)
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On January 28 2015 02:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
I mean, with meaningful discussion like this I might as well just make sure that if worst case happens and you guys actually lynch me you continue with Onegu, Lian and GB instead of raging at other people... though Robik deserves some rage There is literally 1 vote on you you imbecile
I'VE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT VOTES ARE. I GOT HERE MAYBE 30 MINUTES AGO, SAW YOUR BIG WALL AND A BUNCH OF VOTES ON ME THUS GETTING MOST IMPORTANT THINGS OUT FIRST.
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Like look at the fucking guy who is, in his own words, LEADING THIS LYNCH
On January 28 2015 00:43 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:On January 28 2015 00:22 IAmRobik wrote:On January 28 2015 00:15 Palmar wrote:
HTS you are weird and you say things that make little sense.
I like you. You're very manipulative Yeah but I'm such a dear while I'm at it that it's ok. Palmar: I think it's GB & ToadHTS: omg, you're totes right plammmar. let me make the case for you Palmar: you're cute
that's all there is about me. EVERYTHING
On January 28 2015 00:43 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 00:33 Palmar wrote:
Kill GB
i'm not particularly fussed which one dies. Toad is just the better lynch. Fair play. I'll admit up front I'm 99% sure on GB, but after filter diving him again, Toad is looking bad enough that if there's consensus, I will switch. We need consensus on either one of these. Eden, VE, Robik, I'm looking at you three - well Robik IS voting GB - but some feedback on Toad would be appreciated.
That's what there is from HTS
where does this even come from....
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On January 28 2015 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh okay...it's a wall of quotes, with the single (decent) point about Toad waffling on GB.
Like, did he even read it? Why would he call it a wall?
because it's my way of dismissing it mentally (at least for me) because after that post suddenly people came swarming out of everwhere saying [i]"woah woah I knew it all along!"[i]
Not even "hey I'm rereading" (Onegu was the only one that said that iirc?) but people dropping that they suddenly think I'm mafia without any explanation whatsoever
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On January 28 2015 02:36 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:08 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2015 02:00 IAmRobik wrote:On January 28 2015 01:59 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2015 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Who else went crazy? everyone who suddendly went like "WOA WOA REREAD TOAD AND I TOTALLY SEE IT AFTER YOU IGNORED THAT ONE POST WHERE TOAD TOLD EDEN HOW TO READ HIS RANTS". everyone's like that without even having mentioned what they think... hts is still town I feel, same as you. Robik could be mafia riding whatever is popular with people that say alot. Are you even reading this fucking game? I'M LEADING THIS LYNCH! no you're not... I've taken a shovel and buried the fuck out of GB and have been pushing him all day. If you think I'm mafia, then why the fuck are you voting with me
sry like I said... I got home, saw a bunch of people voting me, including your statement that you think I'm mafia together with GB and mistook that statement as you talking about how you're heading the lynch on me.. like Palmar mentioned
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anywas, I'll be afk for an hour to calm down a little if it's not as desperate as I thought it was with all the unvotes.
Need to not starve today and better off doing that now than later
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