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On January 29 2015 04:20 IAmRobik wrote:You're not even voting him! WTF are you doing
am I not?
oh I meant Toad.
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why do people insist I'm trolling? I'm not.
I have a case.
I have a scumspect.
I want to lynch him.
KILL TOAD.
Look he's not done jack shit. His defense when I started calling him out is that people "went crazy". He's super paranoid (started talking as if he was going to die with 1 vote on him) which means he's super sensitive to people going after him.
he is mafia.
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On January 29 2015 06:49 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 06:42 Palmar wrote:
why do people insist I'm trolling? I'm not. Are you out of your bloody mind? Half your filter is "kill toad". You spent most of D1 trolling with other shit. You can say the same thing for Lian and to an extent GlowingBear. Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 06:42 Palmar wrote:
His defense when I started calling him out is that people "went crazy". He's super paranoid (started talking as if he was going to die with 1 vote on him) which means he's super sensitive to people going after him.
he is mafia. You could say the same thing for GB too. How is your case more substantiated than the ones on Lian and GB? Are you townreading either of Lian or GB? If so, why?
Lian is probably town for that big post.
GB idk.
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On January 29 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote:
Ugh fuck it. I expect better from Palmar. We gave him a day, he had the beginnings of a case on Toad and then spammed the thread with "kill Toad" without actually attempting to convince people to kill Toad. If he's going to insist he's not trolling then I'm going to treat his play with appropriate seriousness.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Palmar
I didn't have beginnings of a case on Toad.
I had a complete case.
Toad basically slowplayed into being convinced that GB was mafia after defending him. Then even after he said that GB might be mafia he kept going on about how GB was not a good lynch anyway etc.
Then when thread sentiment changed, and I called a few people scummy, he tried to play into the idea that he had actually been attacking GB.
This is just not what happened.
There is nothing else, there are a few other things that support the theory, but that's all you should need. This makes Toad mafia.
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Like I don't know why this is so hard. The reason I'm saying kill toad is because that's literally what we should do if we want to win this game.
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On January 29 2015 07:24 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote:
Lian is probably town for that big post.
GB idk.
I disagree on Lian. A lot of theoreticals where others have already acted upon what he said. Scum like to use that "big shiny post" to make people think twice.
Okay maybe I'm wrong and you're right. I doubt it, but maybe.
Does not change the fact that the right play today is to LYNCH TOAD.
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Like seriously, if I'm wrong on this, just fucking lynch me tomorrow, I'll claim mafia and shut up.
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On January 29 2015 07:25 IAmRobik wrote:
who does mr onegu want to lynch and why? I think he's the only person here who's townies i know but who's scum i don't know
He's probably mafia with Toad. GB is just awful.
Now come join me.
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On January 29 2015 07:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most.
##Unvote
##Vote: liancourt
Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again? GB/Lian scumteam anyone?
No because it does not involve Toad.
If you even have an inkling of thinking I'm town you should listen to me.
KILL TOAD.
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Here, the proof Toad is mafia:
On January 27 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 18:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote:
Eden is town
So this leaves:
GB
lian
Toad
Onegu
But then again I'm bad and idk.
The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right?
I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much. if you take out my name from that list those other three have been the ones I want to lynch every since the last... 24 hours? ... what does that tell us about what you should be thinking about me? This post is complete horseshit Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:Sanity please. Good morning. Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad
I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.
How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile. I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 08:19 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts. I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now... I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time. That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone. the more I think about that one point, the more I like it actually. It is clearly showing mafia agenda, more so than any other case done so far, including my own reads that are all based on how people are interacting here because d1 is usually really hard to get some mafia agenda when noone has flipped yet. I'd be voting him if I didn't want to make sure we get more time right now. There's still the lingering fear that he's bad and the easy mislynch but it makes me feel way better about this. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts. I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now... I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time. That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone. Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"?
I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.
Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest. In fact I am much more sure on Toad being mafia than GB. But lynching both might be fine. The point here is Toad is waffling so hard on GB that it's almost painful
HE IS TRYING TO MAKE ME TOWN READ HIM BY TAKING CREDIT FOR SOMETHING HE DID NOT DO.
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On January 29 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 07:25 Palmar wrote:
Like seriously, if I'm wrong on this, just fucking lynch me tomorrow, I'll claim mafia and shut up. Instead of doing this, will you not waste the day dicking around and be productive tomorrow? If you're town. If you're mafia then sure whatever go ahead.
If we lynch Toad, I'll totally dick around tomorrow.
Well, or more likely I won't be alive tomorrow.
Lynch him.
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On January 29 2015 07:32 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 07:31 Eden1892 wrote:
Ugh we need to consolidate.
##UNVOTE for probably the 12th time this game. Where? Like nothing is close.
On Toad.
Bus time bro, do it.
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GB might be an ok lynch. But he has much more that looks like town in the thread than Toad.
Sure, he should be lynched for that gambit play because stupidity shouldn't be rewarded, but Toad is still the better lynch.
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On January 29 2015 07:33 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 07:32 Palmar wrote:On January 29 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:On January 29 2015 07:25 Palmar wrote:
Like seriously, if I'm wrong on this, just fucking lynch me tomorrow, I'll claim mafia and shut up. Instead of doing this, will you not waste the day dicking around and be productive tomorrow? If you're town. If you're mafia then sure whatever go ahead. If we lynch Toad, I'll totally dick around tomorrow. Well, or more likely I won't be alive tomorrow. Lynch him. God damn it Palmar.
No Eden.
Trust me.
I will not let you down.
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Like is there anyone here who thinks I don't genuinely believe Toad to be mafia?
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On January 29 2015 07:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar, do you have a second scumread?
Whether you like it or not, you're not getting five on Toad, end of.
It could be GB, it could be Onegu. There's an outside chance it's robik or lian.
I do really kind of not care.
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On January 29 2015 07:37 Eden1892 wrote:
I won't vote HTS, Robik, Palmar, Onegu.
If HTS won't vote VE and Palmar probably won't vote VE either, then it doesn't matter whether or not I'd vote VE.
That leaves me with the same pool as HTS. Unsure of order.
If you're online right now and not voting for one of Toad, lian or GB, please reconsider.
As for where I'm voting - liancourt probably first because he's still off doing his own thing. If Palmar's going to dick around d2 no matter whether we lynch Toad or not then I'll probably wait on Toad because I have no compelling incentive to kill him vs other targets. Maybe GB instead of either? Shrug. Robik's nonreaction to my hopping on and off GB is unexpected, dunno what it means.
well if you don't lynch toad, I'm probably going to have to yell lynch toad throughout day 2 too.
So there's that.
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On January 29 2015 07:39 Half the Sky wrote:
VE doesn't have a single vote, hasn't even been voted once this cycle, and 50 mins to even open a case on him, unrealistic, IMO. I understand why some might want to scumread him.
I am sort of maybe fairly confident VE is town based on the little spat we had at the beginning of the game.
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