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Vivax isn't it weird that marv is okay with you using "bad" associative reads to justify your vote on SL?
Marv said your associative reads were scummy, shouldn't marv be concerned that you are using scummy tactics to push his lynch target?
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I can't post more till later I'm super busy at FETC this week. Marv is suspicious though I hope people read my last couple posts.
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On January 21 2015 05:54 Damdred wrote:
I'll be honest i'm filling halfway demotivated right now i'm in almost every persons scum list and its not fun to play a game like that meh.
But yea, SL keeps dodging but i'm not sure that's alignment indicative at this point. He could really believe hes answering. meh
You played with SL when he was mafia right?
eould you say he has an over inflated self importance as scum?
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On January 21 2015 06:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Bats, you indicated you were scumreading Marv for a double standard in allowing Vivax to use associative reads for his lynch target. What are your thoughts on Marv as a whole?
"scumreading" is probably a little too strong. I'm still suspicious of his and vivax's interaction.
Like what marv says here:
On January 20 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 21:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 20 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:On January 20 2015 21:19 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 20 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
5. Why does Vivax repeatedly push me on my vote on HtS when it was clearly a mistake (as evidenced by my reaction at the time and subsequent explanations). Why does Vivax repeatedly ignore these clarifications? Why does he keep pushing me on this alone?
I have a hard time seeing the mafia motivation to do this. I explained earlier, he's trying to replicate his retard town meta. Despite the fact he's not playing this game anything like how he plays town. As I explained already. I will have to check but even if you are right you are still attacking the most controversial and active player in this game. You usually don't do this. I had neither been controversial nor active about 2 hours ago. I'd been pretty quiet. Vivax KNOWS he gets townread for looking like a tunnelly, moronic, arse. He references it in Imperial repeatedly - how I should be townreading him for his insane play. Well... look what he's trying to pull off here. Except there are notable differences, as I've elaborated upon.
Is -exactly- what vivax appears to be doing.
I just thought it's something people should be aware of going forward. No one else commented on it, not even the people who voted marv today.
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On January 21 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote:
Ok let's start this again, I was playing with the idea of just going meh and let me get lynched or survive but I'm just going to start word spewing and see what I can do to make myself somewhat happy at this cycle.
I think kel is really towny this day, at parts he slides back a little bit and his follow up is ok mostly. His trap is pretty towny and he seems to be legit pressuring people and getting at things until he's satisfied super towny.
Marv looks towny to me, mostly it was his tone early in the game, didn't really sound like it did in his mafia games and he is pushing whatever he wants whenever.
HF looks towny to, he pushes things and follows up pretty good and let's things go after he is satisfied and wants people involved pretty sure this is town HF.
Vivax is someone I'm really struggling with. He seems to be putting work in at some points but all of it looks pretty shoddy and is only based on association rather than anything else. And at vBulletin other points he just shuts up the thread ans fights for no reason. I don't know if he's town or not.
Sl is pretty crummy, might be the lynch today. Keeps picking up on inconsequential things and . Pushing them like the surf issue. Dodging most things, discredits people when he can. Its all pretty crummy behavior.
Oats looks good to he has some decent posts today and everything lines up. I think he is a good townpile.
HTS and lian I really haven't paid attention to. Slam looks ok so does willie
I'm voting SL for the weird free town reads and the fact that he lied about giving weird free town reads as scum. I thought that's why most people were voting him.
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ebwop I wanted to add I play similarly as scum... I give weird free town reads. I never even realized it until someone pointed it out (I think it was damdred that pointed it out to me).
So even if SL doesn't consciously realize he's doing it doesn't mean he's not doing it. idk if that makes sense.
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On January 21 2015 07:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:17 liancourt wrote:
discussion on marv seems irrelevant when koshi is here don't you think?
we can get a fresh perspective. I don't know. Can you paste me the best case on marv? Or tell me what filter I need to read to find the source against this marv push. Is it Vivax?
No one scum read marv people just voted him early for "pressure" or something. The closest thing was me saying his and vivax's interaction was suspicious.
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@Wile what do you think about slam?
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On January 21 2015 07:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote:
Ok let's start this again, I was playing with the idea of just going meh and let me get lynched or survive but I'm just going to start word spewing and see what I can do to make myself somewhat happy at this cycle.
I think kel is really towny this day, at parts he slides back a little bit and his follow up is ok mostly. His trap is pretty towny and he seems to be legit pressuring people and getting at things until he's satisfied super towny.
Marv looks towny to me, mostly it was his tone early in the game, didn't really sound like it did in his mafia games and he is pushing whatever he wants whenever.
HF looks towny to, he pushes things and follows up pretty good and let's things go after he is satisfied and wants people involved pretty sure this is town HF.
Vivax is someone I'm really struggling with. He seems to be putting work in at some points but all of it looks pretty shoddy and is only based on association rather than anything else. And at vBulletin other points he just shuts up the thread ans fights for no reason. I don't know if he's town or not.
Sl is pretty crummy, might be the lynch today. Keeps picking up on inconsequential things and . Pushing them like the surf issue. Dodging most things, discredits people when he can. Its all pretty crummy behavior.
Oats looks good to he has some decent posts today and everything lines up. I think he is a good townpile.
HTS and lian I really haven't paid attention to. Slam looks ok so does willie I'm voting SL for the weird free town reads and the fact that he lied about giving weird free town reads as scum. I thought that's why most people were voting him. When was this proven or relivent? I gave an example where I was mafia and 3 towns were fighting. I town read one who I later pocketed and scum read the other two. I dont give two town reads to two towns in a chicken fight.
It's either proven and relevant or HF has been pushing you based on lies for most of this cycle.
Weren't there ~5 posts worth of town reads in the first page of your filter last time you were scum? I thought that was why everyone was voting you.
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On January 21 2015 07:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:49 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 07:41 sicklucker wrote:On January 21 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote:
Ok let's start this again, I was playing with the idea of just going meh and let me get lynched or survive but I'm just going to start word spewing and see what I can do to make myself somewhat happy at this cycle.
I think kel is really towny this day, at parts he slides back a little bit and his follow up is ok mostly. His trap is pretty towny and he seems to be legit pressuring people and getting at things until he's satisfied super towny.
Marv looks towny to me, mostly it was his tone early in the game, didn't really sound like it did in his mafia games and he is pushing whatever he wants whenever.
HF looks towny to, he pushes things and follows up pretty good and let's things go after he is satisfied and wants people involved pretty sure this is town HF.
Vivax is someone I'm really struggling with. He seems to be putting work in at some points but all of it looks pretty shoddy and is only based on association rather than anything else. And at vBulletin other points he just shuts up the thread ans fights for no reason. I don't know if he's town or not.
Sl is pretty crummy, might be the lynch today. Keeps picking up on inconsequential things and . Pushing them like the surf issue. Dodging most things, discredits people when he can. Its all pretty crummy behavior.
Oats looks good to he has some decent posts today and everything lines up. I think he is a good townpile.
HTS and lian I really haven't paid attention to. Slam looks ok so does willie I'm voting SL for the weird free town reads and the fact that he lied about giving weird free town reads as scum. I thought that's why most people were voting him. When was this proven or relivent? I gave an example where I was mafia and 3 towns were fighting. I town read one who I later pocketed and scum read the other two. I dont give two town reads to two towns in a chicken fight. It's either proven and relevant or HF has been pushing you based on lies for most of this cycle. Weren't there ~5 posts worth of town reads in the first page of your filter last time you were scum? I thought that was why everyone was voting you. this is true but was voting him long before that
How long before? I thought we voted him right after he went from voting marv for "pressure" to marv being the "towniest town whoever towned" in like 13 minutes. And then he said vivax was obv town.
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On January 21 2015 07:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:49 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 07:41 sicklucker wrote:On January 21 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 06:42 Damdred wrote:
Ok let's start this again, I was playing with the idea of just going meh and let me get lynched or survive but I'm just going to start word spewing and see what I can do to make myself somewhat happy at this cycle.
I think kel is really towny this day, at parts he slides back a little bit and his follow up is ok mostly. His trap is pretty towny and he seems to be legit pressuring people and getting at things until he's satisfied super towny.
Marv looks towny to me, mostly it was his tone early in the game, didn't really sound like it did in his mafia games and he is pushing whatever he wants whenever.
HF looks towny to, he pushes things and follows up pretty good and let's things go after he is satisfied and wants people involved pretty sure this is town HF.
Vivax is someone I'm really struggling with. He seems to be putting work in at some points but all of it looks pretty shoddy and is only based on association rather than anything else. And at vBulletin other points he just shuts up the thread ans fights for no reason. I don't know if he's town or not.
Sl is pretty crummy, might be the lynch today. Keeps picking up on inconsequential things and . Pushing them like the surf issue. Dodging most things, discredits people when he can. Its all pretty crummy behavior.
Oats looks good to he has some decent posts today and everything lines up. I think he is a good townpile.
HTS and lian I really haven't paid attention to. Slam looks ok so does willie I'm voting SL for the weird free town reads and the fact that he lied about giving weird free town reads as scum. I thought that's why most people were voting him. When was this proven or relivent? I gave an example where I was mafia and 3 towns were fighting. I town read one who I later pocketed and scum read the other two. I dont give two town reads to two towns in a chicken fight. It's either proven and relevant or HF has been pushing you based on lies for most of this cycle. Weren't there ~5 posts worth of town reads in the first page of your filter last time you were scum? I thought that was why everyone was voting you. I doubt it. Too lazy to look. Hf only pointed out one town read. And I pointed out two scum reads
I'd requote it for you but HF already tried that so I'm just going to be too lazy to unvote you.
btw if you're town and HF is pushing you based on lies it's probably not something you should be lazy about
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On January 21 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:
More on that 13 minute flip (I never scum read marv ever ever)
Like If I say hey marv Im leaning town so far I learn nothing and the presure vote is useless. I do not remove that vote untill Im sure 13 minutes was alot of marv trying. He became much clearly town in that time.
Not sure if I agree:
On January 20 2015 21:38 marvellosity wrote:
I don't care what you do, sl, you're probably mafia.
On January 20 2015 21:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote:
Like im trying to defend you here marv. Whatever ill stop! no, you're totally mischaracterising my push on Vivax. It's, at best, awful of you.
On January 20 2015 21:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 21:48 Vivax wrote:
Marv. I want to do a quick theory time.
Let's say you're really town, and I know I'm really town. But right now after I posted my theory you just went into full OMGUS mode.
HF called you scum on an occasion, and Damdred sheeped HF to get off of you, maybe cause he was wafraid of pushing you.
Kelsier atm is on the sidelines and siding with you, he's not really trying to find scum though I feel.
How do you feel about a HF, Kelsier, Damdred scumteam?
Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 21:36 marvellosity wrote:On January 20 2015 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax - answer me this - why are you trying to connection the whole scumteam when Imperial conclusively showed that it is a big mistake to do that?
You need to answer me. Not answered yet. Please answer.
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On January 21 2015 08:10 sicklucker wrote:
In that 13 minutes he went from this is looking good marv yoir probably town. To yep your confirmed town welllplayed! your even ignoring the vivax bullshit
He hadn't starting ignoring the vivax bullshit yet. That wasn't till later. I quoted all three of marv's posts in that 13 minute period just now he is clearly still going after vivax.
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On January 21 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 08:11 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 08:10 sicklucker wrote:
In that 13 minutes he went from this is looking good marv yoir probably town. To yep your confirmed town welllplayed! your even ignoring the vivax bullshit He hadn't starting ignoring the vivax bullshit yet. That wasn't till later. I quoted all three of marv's posts in that 13 minute period just now he is clearly still going after vivax. No shit? Well that was a throwin that gave me more reason to town read him
I'm trying to un-scumread you so please help me out.
I'm going to do that thing I said I wouldn't do and re-quote a huge part of the case against you:
On January 21 2015 03:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 03:08 sicklucker wrote:
Look at mspaint where im scum. Ve/hf/hopeless were all fighting and calling each other mafia. What do I do? I sit back and dont post at all day 1 or even day 2.
I dont freakin come out and tell everyone their obvious towns as mafia thats pretty dumb. Show nested quote +VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says. Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 04:17 sicklucker wrote:
I kinda wanna mislynch you again to ff ^_^. I got some time to contribute rereading the thread.
ritoky is town. Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee. Show nested quote +Rayn- Like his reads doing his usual aggressive townshit the fact he was the first one to call ve town I liked verymuch
FF- He accepted peace after a rocky game thats very towny to me
ve- Insanely confident I have a hard time believing he goes that hard on nothing if hes mafia.
ritoky - My top town I think Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee. Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
No my main reason was you were the only one to town read ve. Hes super town but many people scumed him Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 03:15 sicklucker wrote:
Well why are you town. I had you on my scum list I dont think you should be shocked. I can always unvote if you come off towny here ^ similar to marv thing that's just in 2 pages of filter and the majority of it is page 1 of your filter
HF is saying that the town reads you're giving out in these quotes are similar to what you did with marv/vivax. Could you say why each quote here is not similar to what you did with marv/vivax?
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Bar snacks are not sanitary do not consume them
ppl don't wash their hands
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Lian why are you town reading damdred?
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On January 21 2015 08:51 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 08:47 batsnacks wrote:
Lian why are you town reading damdred? Where did u get that idea?
You said for koshi not to vote him I assumed it was because you were town reading him. Trying to get what I can out of your filter it's not easy you know?
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On January 21 2015 09:07 Koshi wrote:
There is nothing wrong in his filter. You guys are blowing some dumb event up and painting him scummy for it.
I read his filter and nothing is scum. I would lynch his 3 top targets in the listpost he made early game over him today.
The person you replaced was one of the leading proponents of his lynch. Are you sure?
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On January 21 2015 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 09:20 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 09:07 Koshi wrote:
There is nothing wrong in his filter. You guys are blowing some dumb event up and painting him scummy for it.
I read his filter and nothing is scum. I would lynch his 3 top targets in the listpost he made early game over him today. The person you replaced was one of the leading proponents of his lynch. Are you sure? bad point.
Not nearly as bad as this one.
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There should probably be a backup lynch for when people inevitably get cold feet and try to switch at the last second like they always do.
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