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On January 23 2015 04:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 04:47 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, you, Damdred, SL
Oats throwing scumreads without explanation and his defence to Damdred was poor.
You, obviously because of how you didn't care and you just came in EoD and did your thing.
Damdred called me scum for resisting the lynch. That shouldn't be alignment indicative since anyone should want to try and save themselves, although I don't understand how he didn't consolidate onto Lian. He seemed apathetic but I couldn't get anything conclusive from that.
SL I explained I didnt' like him earlier. Erratic yes, but that doesn't mean I was completely lost on the guy's filter. I explained on the voting thing that one of us on the Lian wagon had to be scum. His switch to Lian was to save himself, but he did express a desire to hammer me.
Damdred is a weaker read and there's still a very real possibility #3 could be VA, but can't really conclude yet. But if SL is mafia wouldn't it make more sense for mafia to be on Lian or you instead of wasting their vote? Yet you are scumreading damdred and oats. Something doesn't add up. ^^^^^^ ding ding ding
On January 23 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I know ordinarily that would probably make someone mafia wile but it's sicklucker and I have no lower limit when it comes to illogical thought processes with him so it makes it hard to even consider
Just read the quoted posts and tell me HF was anything but townreading me. Or that I wanted to derail him from HTS. lol
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On January 26 2015 21:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:20 Vivax wrote:On January 26 2015 21:18 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Yeah. Please do it and you will see that HF was quite clearly townreading me for it in the end. You are completely missing the point. I'm not saying HF scumread you. I'm saying you were trying to bring him off track from HTS by giving him theories with something about SL and Damdred. Then you obviously didn't read our conversation since I grilled HTS just before the SL thing. Also please show me where I tried to lynch anyone but HTS day2.
That lynch was a nobrainer after I saw the HF kill. Now you try to harvest cred by pointing out "oh look I tried so hard to lynch a scum".
The difference between me and you in this is that I don't need cred and hence parked my vote in full trust of HF's read and then bothered with other things, without trying to make myself appear more townie in the process like you did.
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On January 26 2015 21:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 26 2015 21:20 Vivax wrote:On January 26 2015 21:18 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Yeah. Please do it and you will see that HF was quite clearly townreading me for it in the end. You are completely missing the point. I'm not saying HF scumread you. I'm saying you were trying to bring him off track from HTS by giving him theories with something about SL and Damdred. Then you obviously didn't read our conversation since I grilled HTS just before the SL thing. Also please show me where I tried to lynch anyone but HTS day2. That lynch was a nobrainer after I saw the HF kill. Now you try to harvest cred by pointing out "oh look I tried so hard to lynch a scum".
The difference between me and you in this is that I don't need cred and hence parked my vote in full trust of HF's read and then bothered with other things, without trying to make myself appear more townie in the process like you did.
No, I did never try to harvest any cred or make myself appear more townie for the lynch. I am just pointing out that your argument that I tried to make HF look elsewhere is extremely bad.
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On January 26 2015 21:25 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 04:48 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2015 04:47 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, you, Damdred, SL
Oats throwing scumreads without explanation and his defence to Damdred was poor.
You, obviously because of how you didn't care and you just came in EoD and did your thing.
Damdred called me scum for resisting the lynch. That shouldn't be alignment indicative since anyone should want to try and save themselves, although I don't understand how he didn't consolidate onto Lian. He seemed apathetic but I couldn't get anything conclusive from that.
SL I explained I didnt' like him earlier. Erratic yes, but that doesn't mean I was completely lost on the guy's filter. I explained on the voting thing that one of us on the Lian wagon had to be scum. His switch to Lian was to save himself, but he did express a desire to hammer me.
Damdred is a weaker read and there's still a very real possibility #3 could be VA, but can't really conclude yet. But if SL is mafia wouldn't it make more sense for mafia to be on Lian or you instead of wasting their vote? Yet you are scumreading damdred and oats. Something doesn't add up. ^^^^^^ ding ding ding Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I know ordinarily that would probably make someone mafia wile but it's sicklucker and I have no lower limit when it comes to illogical thought processes with him so it makes it hard to even consider Just read the quoted posts and tell me HF was anything but townreading me. Or that I wanted to derail him from HTS. lol
Again you move the focus to HF townreading you.
See votecount:
I think SL and Kelsier are town (hence bolded and tentative). Just reread SL's filter and he has a really good case on her in there from D1 I think. And also cause he does this:
On January 22 2015 06:57 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote ##vote liancourt
HTS does this when SL is main wagon leader:
On January 22 2015 02:30 Half the Sky wrote:
##unvote
##vote liancourt
On January 22 2015 08:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Final Vote Count
sicklucker (3): liancourt, Holyflare, marvellosity, batsnacks, Half the Sky, Vivax, marvellosity, Wile E. Coyote
Liancourt (4): Koshi, sicklucker, Half the Sky, Vivax, sicklucker
Oatsmaster (1): Holyflare, Damdred, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): marvellosity marvellosity, Oatsmaster
Alakaslam (1): Koshi, VayneAuthority
Half the Sky (2): marvellosity, sicklucker, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Holyflare
Marvellosity (0): Vivax, Wile E. Coyote, sicklucker
KelsierSC (0): batsnacks
Damdred (1): Holyflare, Oatsmaster
Not voted (1): Alakaslam
liancourt was pulled into the void.
The Void's pull is growing stronger. remains.
Wile posted this to HF, again steering him away from HTS.
On January 22 2015 07:43 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
i'm going to yell and kick and scream at all of you if you don't lynch her tbh, this is silly i've given great reasons You have also given great reaons why SL is scum.
So just from vote analysis I'd guess at SL being the scum pushed wagon. IE bats and Wile, who are also Koshis top scumspects before he died.
If these guys are by chance town (which I doubt), scum is somewhere spread out here (Oats, Damdred, Vayne maybe)
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Vivax I really like that last post
Except va is confirmed town I think.
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On January 26 2015 21:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:25 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 04:48 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2015 04:47 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, you, Damdred, SL
Oats throwing scumreads without explanation and his defence to Damdred was poor.
You, obviously because of how you didn't care and you just came in EoD and did your thing.
Damdred called me scum for resisting the lynch. That shouldn't be alignment indicative since anyone should want to try and save themselves, although I don't understand how he didn't consolidate onto Lian. He seemed apathetic but I couldn't get anything conclusive from that.
SL I explained I didnt' like him earlier. Erratic yes, but that doesn't mean I was completely lost on the guy's filter. I explained on the voting thing that one of us on the Lian wagon had to be scum. His switch to Lian was to save himself, but he did express a desire to hammer me.
Damdred is a weaker read and there's still a very real possibility #3 could be VA, but can't really conclude yet. But if SL is mafia wouldn't it make more sense for mafia to be on Lian or you instead of wasting their vote? Yet you are scumreading damdred and oats. Something doesn't add up. ^^^^^^ ding ding ding On January 23 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I know ordinarily that would probably make someone mafia wile but it's sicklucker and I have no lower limit when it comes to illogical thought processes with him so it makes it hard to even consider Just read the quoted posts and tell me HF was anything but townreading me. Or that I wanted to derail him from HTS. lol Again you move the focus to HF townreading you. See votecount: I think SL and Kelsier are town (hence bolded and tentative). Just reread SL's filter and he has a really good case on her in there from D1 I think. And also cause he does this: HTS does this when SL is main wagon leader: Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 08:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Final Vote Count
sicklucker (3): liancourt, Holyflare, marvellosity, batsnacks, Half the Sky, Vivax, marvellosity, Wile E. Coyote
Liancourt (4): Koshi, sicklucker, Half the Sky, Vivax, sicklucker
Oatsmaster (1): Holyflare, Damdred, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): marvellosity marvellosity, Oatsmaster
Alakaslam (1): Koshi, VayneAuthority
Half the Sky (2): marvellosity, sicklucker, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Holyflare
Marvellosity (0): Vivax, Wile E. Coyote, sicklucker
KelsierSC (0): batsnacks
Damdred (1): Holyflare, Oatsmaster
Not voted (1): Alakaslam
liancourt was pulled into the void.
The Void's pull is growing stronger. remains.
Wile posted this to HF, again steering him away from HTS. Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 07:43 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 22 2015 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
i'm going to yell and kick and scream at all of you if you don't lynch her tbh, this is silly i've given great reasons You have also given great reaons why SL is scum. So just from vote analysis I'd guess at SL being the scum pushed wagon. IE bats and Wile, who are also Koshis top scumspects before he died. If these guys are by chance town (which I doubt), scum is somewhere spread out here (Oats, Damdred, Vayne maybe)
How does SL and HTS unvoting each other make SL town?!
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The second error with your theory is that SLs wagon was pushed way way before HF ever started pushing HTS. The lynch was then between 2 towns (SL and Lian) so mafia did not have to push any wagon. Hence why I think that if SL is town at least one of Damdred and Oats is mafia.
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Why did HTS do that? She spread out the votes of her team and left us with a bit of doubt on sicklucker. A wifom bomb so to say.
If Wile says I'm scum, he must also say it's me and sicklucker, cause else that HTS unvote-vote doesnt make sense.
Since I know I'm town, that's not possible. And from D1's Sicklucker posts, it's almost impossible he's scum.
Example:
On January 21 2015 01:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Greetings everyone!
Reading through, I've not played a game with Marv so I'm not familiar as to how he plays as scum. I find it interesting though that when the pressure votes are on, he posts a few things on Artanis' story. (Why?)
HF, on VA, I agree with you as to why he is looking bad. However, last game with Vayne, I voted him for being completely useless not helping us solve the game and Batsnacks told me that his D1 meta is basically dicking around and not caring. He was lynched and flipped town. This is a semi lie. She voted va to save herself im pretty sure. She was checked out of this game focusing on here other game where she was mafia and I was her coach. So hts mafia game is pretty passive and trying to be a peacemaker more then a town should. Heres her defending like 5 people in her 1 page filter I already posted one above heres some more. Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:On January 20 2015 06:23 KelsierSC wrote:
I don't think it looks bad
He needed to sleep right, You could say the same thing on Lian, who also needed to sleep. AFAIK, they are both in Asia time zones. Lian posted ~2h before the game started, but the difference is that Oats actually commented on something relevant in the game and didn't give an explanation. He didn't have to write a novel, just a sentence would have done. Which also begs the question why Vivax wanted to vote Lian. Giving lian and oats excuses. Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 06:39 Half the Sky wrote:On January 20 2015 06:22 sicklucker wrote:
Hts its so no secret that marv doesint want to play scum. His last 3 games all mafia. In the first two he gave up on day 1. His most recent one being a 600 page marathon. After that game is over theres no way hes gonna try if he rolled mafia again. So thats why we all vote marv and see what happens. IMO, this is speculative. I think a judgment is better made on him closer to the end of D1. A Marv vote closer to the end would make sense if the posts on Artanis' story were the only ones he'd done, end of. Defending my pressure on marv Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 08:45 Half the Sky wrote:On January 20 2015 08:37 liancourt wrote:
Did sl even post? Lian, are you not reading? He started posting on page 5 and through page 8. Defending me after lian said I havent posted although for a good reason  But still a town should want to see pressure. Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Went through Vivax's case, and several of the points are weak.
I don't understand the Lian townread and HF scumread, I don't understand what behaviours make HF scum from what I've seen so far. Lian jumped from scumreading SL without an explanation and then a gut read on Geript (now Slam) because he was replacing out.
HF wasn't ignoring Marv. I think this appears taken out of context. Even HF said "undecided as of yet."
Too many associative reads this early, just isn't good. Defending hf UOTE] On January 20 2015 23:28 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 20 2015 23:17 marvellosity wrote:
it's ok, Oats, 2 players who are far stronger than you agree on a read. so bm. im not convinced on HF, all his posts so far have not been really thought out. Like he comes in and comments on the latest thing. You sure about this, Oats? What did you think about his push on Wile?
Defending Hf again
Its not that her defense points are not good. Its just thats what she does as mafia. Shes also scum reading and pushing vivax as the other half of her filter. Whos like definitely town.
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On January 21 2015 22:47 sicklucker wrote:Koshi Like I need you to save me the town is sheeple. My lynch order is hts first then lian. But beggars cant be choosers. ##vote half the sky
And Wile still keeps pushing the notion that SL could be scum despite all of this!
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Viva, I don't understand why if you are scum then sl is scum.
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I don't follow your logic why the unvote means it has to be exactly you 2. Not that I haven't said already that if SL is scum he probably is with you.
The quoted posts do look pretty good for SL though.
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Sicklucker's vote on lian was self preservation, but he would have lynched HTS over him if he could.
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On January 26 2015 21:52 Vivax wrote:
Sicklucker's vote on lian was self preservation, but he would have lynched HTS over him if he could.
That's what he says. If he is mafia he does not have to tell the truth, you know.
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On January 26 2015 21:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:52 Vivax wrote:
Sicklucker's vote on lian was self preservation, but he would have lynched HTS over him if he could. That's what he says. If he is mafia he does not have to tell the truth, you know.
It's a massive risk to take though. One town votes on hts and he has to vote her
if he doesn't they both get pinched.
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On January 26 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Viva, I don't understand why if you are scum then sl is scum.
Cause I unvoted SL and moved onto liancourt. It's the ##teamkoshi post in the voting thread.
SL unvoted HTS and voted lian.
If SL and me were scum together our motive would be to save SL and mislynch lian. And vote accordingly.
But this notion is irrelevant to further explore cause me and SL are both town.
Wile and bats are most likely scum.
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On January 26 2015 21:55 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 26 2015 21:52 Vivax wrote:
Sicklucker's vote on lian was self preservation, but he would have lynched HTS over him if he could. That's what he says. If he is mafia he does not have to tell the truth, you know. It's a massive risk to take though. One town votes on hts and he has to vote her if he doesn't they both get pinched.
True.
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I need to read bats filter, this was all from vote analysis, brb.
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On January 26 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Viva, I don't understand why if you are scum then sl is scum.
Cause I unvoted SL and moved onto liancourt. It's the ##teamkoshi post in the voting thread. SL unvoted HTS and voted lian. If SL and me were scum together our motive would be to save SL and mislynch lian. And vote accordingly. But this notion is irrelevant to further explore cause me and SL are both town. Wile and bats are most likely scum.
That makes no sense. Why would bats and me push SL together if we are scum when there was absolutely no need to? And why on earth would we keep out votes on him and risk HTS lynch instead of switching to lian?
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Vivax, I kind of want you and wile to take a little breather and let dam,bats and slam talk because at the moment I feel like I have a jigsaw with half the pieces missing.
Once they said their bits it might be easier to figure things out.
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On January 26 2015 22:00 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:On January 26 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Viva, I don't understand why if you are scum then sl is scum.
Cause I unvoted SL and moved onto liancourt. It's the ##teamkoshi post in the voting thread. SL unvoted HTS and voted lian. If SL and me were scum together our motive would be to save SL and mislynch lian. And vote accordingly. But this notion is irrelevant to further explore cause me and SL are both town. Wile and bats are most likely scum. That makes no sense. Why would bats and me push SL together if we are scum when there was absolutely no need to? And why on earth would we keep out votes on him and risk HTS lynch instead of switching to lian?
It would look pretty bad to late hammer on lian. Honestly the safest mafia play Imo was just to stay put and hope that the hts vote didn't get enough traction.
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