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On January 26 2015 13:36 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 26 2015 13:28 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote:On January 26 2015 09:12 Superbia wrote:
Like I feel there's at least 1 mafia in the top 4. The fact that oats did not contest my claim to 2,1 while he does not know my alignment does not sit well with me. I feel like mafia would be more scared than town to get a low position, since town is able to outnumber mafia in terms of PRs quite easily, and rolling probe as mafia is probably pretty shitty.
I feel like only mafia would do this when they have secured a top 4 spot, and just try to get a middle spot.
Furthermore, when Palmar coined his grand plan, Oats, mderg, and Onegu started questioning Palmar's plan. I'm inclined to read Palmar town for now, so I feel like mafia would step up and contest his plans in some way.
Of the three, Onegu followed it up with sound logic, which he started updating on the fly. He's my top town.
Oats just seemed to fear monger. Did not interact with Onegu and his logic either. He just said "Palmar's trying hard so he's probably mafia, watch out!". Which may be relevant, but what's his thought process here? He does not come up with a plan on his own, nor does he try to figure out why Palmar's plan may be mafia favored. Is he trying to figure out palmar's alignment/rationale? Doesn't seem like it.
mderg made a comment to half-dispute Oats' question of Palmar's alignment, which I'm inclined to read null at the moment (just the comment). Comment didn't really add anything of worth, but it half-ass defended Palmar, who is sort of town. So whatever. Mmm. Why four specifically, I guess is my first question regarding this. But the basic premise seems sound. I also saw nothing scummy from Onegu. Only reservation with Oats is he's not the easiest player for me to read, anyway. My other question is, while scum wanting top spots to secure the line-up seems likely, what part of Palmar's plan is likely to deny scum the more scum-alighned roles? There were several that town didn't plan to claim, or at least that's how I understand it, so I'm not sure that contesting the plan in general would be alignment indicative in that sense. Eh, we just had to be on par with Mafia, they had enough time to discuss important roles, picking order and such, so we needed to make an analysis as well (and make it known). Palmar originally did not understand Warp Prism, the best role for Mafia. We had to make sure we know where it is going in the draft, so we can check the person holding it or at least keep them on the spotlight. The numbers as I have said will tell us more and more as the game goes on. Already we see three groups of the same numbers which tells us there is at most 1 Mafia in each of them. I do not agree with Oats that Mafia coincide with their picks. That's just sub-par play. Having a number and a high place in the queue does not make you Mafia although having a number that one person or two (sic!) makes you less likely to be Mafia on the account that it is sub-optimal to go for the same number as Mafia. sub-optimal or not, check every fucking pyp game before. Mafia always pick coinciding numbers. Always. I must be an oldie then.
Yeah, my memory sucks.
Still I think it's better not to coincide, especially because this game has roles with sharp distinction of their usage pretty muich.
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On January 26 2015 13:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 13:41 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:36 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 26 2015 13:28 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote:On January 26 2015 09:12 Superbia wrote:
Like I feel there's at least 1 mafia in the top 4. The fact that oats did not contest my claim to 2,1 while he does not know my alignment does not sit well with me. I feel like mafia would be more scared than town to get a low position, since town is able to outnumber mafia in terms of PRs quite easily, and rolling probe as mafia is probably pretty shitty.
I feel like only mafia would do this when they have secured a top 4 spot, and just try to get a middle spot.
Furthermore, when Palmar coined his grand plan, Oats, mderg, and Onegu started questioning Palmar's plan. I'm inclined to read Palmar town for now, so I feel like mafia would step up and contest his plans in some way.
Of the three, Onegu followed it up with sound logic, which he started updating on the fly. He's my top town.
Oats just seemed to fear monger. Did not interact with Onegu and his logic either. He just said "Palmar's trying hard so he's probably mafia, watch out!". Which may be relevant, but what's his thought process here? He does not come up with a plan on his own, nor does he try to figure out why Palmar's plan may be mafia favored. Is he trying to figure out palmar's alignment/rationale? Doesn't seem like it.
mderg made a comment to half-dispute Oats' question of Palmar's alignment, which I'm inclined to read null at the moment (just the comment). Comment didn't really add anything of worth, but it half-ass defended Palmar, who is sort of town. So whatever. Mmm. Why four specifically, I guess is my first question regarding this. But the basic premise seems sound. I also saw nothing scummy from Onegu. Only reservation with Oats is he's not the easiest player for me to read, anyway. My other question is, while scum wanting top spots to secure the line-up seems likely, what part of Palmar's plan is likely to deny scum the more scum-alighned roles? There were several that town didn't plan to claim, or at least that's how I understand it, so I'm not sure that contesting the plan in general would be alignment indicative in that sense. Eh, we just had to be on par with Mafia, they had enough time to discuss important roles, picking order and such, so we needed to make an analysis as well (and make it known). Palmar originally did not understand Warp Prism, the best role for Mafia. We had to make sure we know where it is going in the draft, so we can check the person holding it or at least keep them on the spotlight. The numbers as I have said will tell us more and more as the game goes on. Already we see three groups of the same numbers which tells us there is at most 1 Mafia in each of them. I do not agree with Oats that Mafia coincide with their picks. That's just sub-par play. Having a number and a high place in the queue does not make you Mafia although having a number that one person or two (sic!) makes you less likely to be Mafia on the account that it is sub-optimal to go for the same number as Mafia. sub-optimal or not, check every fucking pyp game before. Mafia always pick coinciding numbers. Always. I must be an oldie then. Yeah, my memory sucks. Still I think it's better not to coincide, especially because this game has roles with sharp distinction of their usage pretty muich. actually it doesnt really matter that much in a smaller game. Regardless, you cant analyse alignment based on number picks.
But Mafia's first agenda in PYP is to create a number picking strategy. It is not a stretch to say they'll try to put one guy as high as they can and then aim for some kind of mediocrity. I don't understand why you wan't to delegitimize analysis of Draft, numbers and picks.
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Adding to that: Mafia in this game can get A LOT of additional KP. Basically, they can enforce Armageddon on N2 with good enough picks and given they're not carelessly caught on D1/D2. So them getting good picks and then getting powerful roles is just freaking terrible.
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On January 26 2015 13:59 Onegu wrote:
Ok I'm back but it's midnight. My plan is to feedback the scummiest claimed probe btw n1.
Hmm... Mind tells me OK gut says people can do stupid stuff. I don't think anybody would claim Probe instead of claiming that they got a role, but doubting that never hurts, eh?
@Oats sure man, I was just again reinforcing the idea that we WILL look into the Draft as the game goes on, people love to forget the things established before or things just said, y'know.
Anyway we need more claims, basic stuff as Probe/got role/denied a scum role.
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EWODP:
Right I forgot claiming Probe tell Mafia who has roles >_> ffs you'd think I've got that understood already.
@Oats
But Mafia will take those roles because frankly they don't give a flying fuck if they can kill half of us N1 and then force an endgame on N2.
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On January 26 2015 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah thats why i didnt say we should claim the probe stuff.
Theres not enough info to do shit rolewise, so back to normal mafia.
Whos scum milk?
I don't like Obi, too much going on with his plans and he did not yet say if he conformed to Palmar's plan.
Robik got only 'active' after role picking was close, the disinterest in planning phase is worrying at best.
Marvellosity seems disinterested and did not really contest Palmar, which is weird. At one point he is like "directing roles, revealing numbers is very good for town" and then he goes to hide his number.
I expect that things will be more lively tomorrow, everybody seems to be enjoying their weekend or something.
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I was the one putting the plan forward Palmar, I was first. I was talking about the roles. I was saying which ones should be picked or not. I landed on 9th, I said to myself that I won't probably get a strong town role and I might as well pick something that is hard to kill during the night and if not (this is something that you omit! 2 armor and massive give great night survivability, for which Mafia does not need to care!) , I gain important information that in the eight of people above me this role sits.
I'll say that again: I was first to acknowledge that Carrier is Mafia role, I was first to acknowledge that Warp Prism is the most Mafia role. I don't care about what read people had on me before the pick. I could've not claimed and I would not be lynched. Why would I claim then? I knew what I was undertaking. I honestly thought Carrier would be gone. I just wanted to know where it landed approximately, of course.
I won't send interceptors. Moment somebody claims you lynch me, confirm me as Town and lynch the liar. It doesn't take a big brain to know that I should send them as fast as possible! But what if I am part of Mafia and I claimed Carrier, but some other guy actually has it? Well, nobody said that they gunned for Carrier in higher positions and I am full of shit, so I guess Carrier was not much of an importance to the Mafia team and supposing Onegu is Town, HT was neither. I honestly have no idea how these two roles might have landed in Town hands, especially at the spots I and Onegu are.
Palmar, did you go for WP as planned?
Obi, did you go for Colossus as planned?
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On January 26 2015 18:36 Palmar wrote:
Actually on second thought. Making the colossus shoot you would probably be a good idea. I don't think SL or Oats have done actually anything this game to warrant being called town.
Okay. I have an even better plan if you really want me dead. Onegu storms me. He can do that right now. We confirm him being a HT and we get rid of me and potentially SL/Oats that I am also suspicious of. Just don't cry over the spilt milk, citizen.
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Also I thought you were against a KP rampage my dear citizen.
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Are we really with an SK here? Jesus.
I am not a moron. You are for suggesting that. Would you really STILL uphold your claim that I am Mafia because I wanted to check whether Carrier is in game, because I wanted night protection and I could spite IdrA with my useful skill toi have if I were the last guy in the draft? Like Chezinu got a CPR Doc once off an unthinkable position, but I ain't a CPR Doc citizen.
If I did not claim you would not lynch me, so think why would I claim. All I got is some bullshit on my ass while I could send interceptors and laugh my ass off with people running in circles screaming that they are going to die.
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On January 26 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 18:47 The Milkman wrote:
Are we really with an SK here? Jesus.
I am not a moron. You are for suggesting that. Would you really STILL uphold your claim that I am Mafia because I wanted to check whether Carrier is in game, because I wanted night protection and I could spite IdrA with my useful skill toi have if I were the last guy in the draft? Like Chezinu got a CPR Doc once off an unthinkable position, but I ain't a CPR Doc citizen.
If I did not claim you would not lynch me, so think why would I claim. All I got is some bullshit on my ass while I could send interceptors and laugh my ass off with people running in circles screaming that they are going to die. What on earth are you talking about with an SK? And no, I don't stand by the claim you are mafia. You might be, but there are other more likely candidates at the moment. Although this outburst of anger AFTER I had changed my mind seems fairly strange. I do stand by the claim that if you are town you have a massive dose of "unique snowflake"-syndrome, which also usually indicates morons.
Hey, I am not mad at you, there is no ill will involved. I am not going for unique snowflake, I am just making sure you won't poach pre-draft and draft analysis to yourself, that is all. I must be suspicious of you from the nature of the game, that's why I was bringing that up (especially important when somebody accuses me that I did not follow your plan and analysis, while your plan really was assigning two roles to Obi/Onegu and agreeing with me that you have to pick Warp Prism  ).
Yeah it is not the same because CPR Doc is a very good role for Town also, but the very basic thing about it stays: it is unthinkable that it should not be picked early enough. I was just astonished when I learnt that I got it. It's like getting Inventor on #5th. Or Recruiting Godfather on #7th. Or Bulletproof on #7th also. It's I-SHOULD-NOT-GET-THAT.
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On January 26 2015 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why not milk? The role is for scum.
Because it is AMAZING for Scum and for some reason I was the first to pick it on 9. It is just bogus for me. Sure, they could go for a Stalker and a Zealot, easier picks, try to nab Immortal so they can defend themselves and such, but KP armageddon is just the way to go, especially considering that Town KP will be flowing like one tough motherfucker.
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On January 26 2015 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Storm milkman. Hes not dumb town.
Look at his analysis at the start.
And then look at the shit that he pulled.
Thanks for acknowledging that I am good Town and I might be dangerous, also hard to kill because of armor. You are literally saying that I did well and you are scared of it. My analysis with what I have done is coherent. I never talked about denying roles because you just do not talk about that if you decide to go rogue. Literally entire thing could be avoided if I did not claim. We would be lynching you or Marv now if not for that. Your entire arguments lays on what I have said about myself. There was no doubt at all about my claim, no one thought I could be dicking around or just lying out of my ass for the sheer pleasure of it. I actually am ActionJesus.
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On January 27 2015 01:29 Alakaslam wrote:
Milk could be anything.
He wasn't told to go for scum role, red flag
So why should I have listened to Palmar, because I missed his flip during picking phase I guess?
I made my own analysis and acted accordingly, I am really tired of defending a good play and risking being lynched over it.
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On January 27 2015 11:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 11:04 The Milkman wrote:On January 27 2015 01:29 Alakaslam wrote:
Milk could be anything.
He wasn't told to go for scum role, red flag So why should I have listened to Palmar, because I missed his flip during picking phase I guess? I made my own analysis and acted accordingly, I am really tired of defending a good play and risking being lynched over it. I am hardly doing more than FoS at you. I straight up voted Marv however, also voted for Oats just now.
FoS sounds like finger pointing to me y'know. That's why I am reacting. It's not unusual to get buried under all those fingers and then nothing goes through (poor Kavdragon).
On January 27 2015 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok then. Seems I hit a nerve.
Does the storm KP go through instantly or does it wait until the end of the day?
Role description says at any point of the day and Onegu kind of confirmed he can do it wherever.
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On January 27 2015 11:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 11:10 The Milkman wrote:On January 27 2015 11:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 27 2015 11:04 The Milkman wrote:On January 27 2015 01:29 Alakaslam wrote:
Milk could be anything.
He wasn't told to go for scum role, red flag So why should I have listened to Palmar, because I missed his flip during picking phase I guess? I made my own analysis and acted accordingly, I am really tired of defending a good play and risking being lynched over it. I am hardly doing more than FoS at you. I straight up voted Marv however, also voted for Oats just now. FoS sounds like finger pointing to me y'know. That's why I am reacting. It's not unusual to get buried under all those fingers and then nothing goes through (poor Kavdragon). On January 27 2015 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok then. Seems I hit a nerve.
Does the storm KP go through instantly or does it wait until the end of the day? Role description says at any point of the day and Onegu kind of confirmed he can do it wherever. Well and that's true, I said red flag I doth point But it is not great and I cannot rb you as I am probe
I am unroleblockable because I am Massive.
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On January 27 2015 17:49 Palmar wrote:
If he actually submitted a storm action Milkman, do you think he's mafia?
Drinking just to storm me is an interesting way about it, that's for sure. I can't really tell, I mean the 40% chance is not really certain and not really that uncommon... That's a lot of gambling here. The only thing that is worrying really is that he is storming someone who is told to storm, not someone he wanted to storm out of himself.
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On January 28 2015 00:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
I guess milk didnt die.
Confirmation whether milk did or didnt die pls
Oats steals my lunch.
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I have become Schrödinger's Carrier, the terror of IdrA.
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