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On January 24 2015 10:10 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 03:00 LoneMeow wrote:On January 23 2015 20:40 The Shining wrote:
If you had to lynch someone that wasn't Breshke today, who would it be and why?
Damdred or you. I like geript a bit more town now, and I'm not quite ready to lynch DarthPunk yet despite getting more paranoid about him. Well, at least I got the who. Low hanging fruit in me, basically inactive town. ##Vote:LoneMeow I might be willing to pull off of you if you can explain what makes us more suspicious than anyone else but I've been weary of you for a while and your appearances now make it worse. Still feels like you are just looking for an easy place to drop your vote. You have no real case aside from Breshke once he scummed you(OMGUS?) and the 3 people you've scummed or been suspicious of are Bresh, Damdred, myself, all of whom have earlier posts directly questioning you and commenting on your filter. The inconsistencies pointed out in some of your posts seem hastily thrown together, not a genuine effort to look into anyone. Had planned on posting more including responding to Bresh asking me to explain my DP town read(which is weakest of the 3, hence why its bottom) but Friday nights at work are hectic, been working on this post on my tablet for about an hour. Going to look through DP's filter for the specific posts that made me lean town on him. But I'm here, should be in and out for the next 2-3 hours if anyone wants to bounce anything off of me.
I don't think LM's post on me was OMGUS. As i said before he made some legitimate points.
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Yeah so i need to reevaluate a lot of shit.
One thing is very clear though that is that RSo is town 100 percent.
Damdred could you also pelase explain why you didn't want to lynch the shining yet
On January 25 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote:
Geript is cleared he wouldn't pull a second mislynch off a town that's been an almost afk lynch as scum I think. Which is a bit of wifom but hes town, DP is town. So that really narrows down my focus. JarJar is confirmed
Shining, Breshke, Rsoultin.
There are two mafia in there. I think its Breshke and Rsoultin with his unwillingness to switch, LM was acting pretty towny eod.
You consider him in a group of 2/3 mafia straight after the lynch?
Also i can explain the phone thing but its pointless because as scum i would just bullshit anyway
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Also geript I don;t really understand what you don't get about my DP in that LM trefel scumteam thing though.
I was trying to udnerstand why people only considered DP as scum in a team with LM and trefel. Like no one seems to want to consider that DP could be scum if LM didn't flip scum. This was made extra fucking weird by the fact that he continued to jsut defend LM for almost nothing and then i call him out and he admits he might be wrong. Then LM makes some response to me about paranoia in which he was basically agreeing with my paranoia about DP and DP town reads him for it yet im not town for having the same paranoia? Yeah reading through LM was townie near the end and if I was around i probably would still have been pushing him because i was tunneled as fuck but the DP defense just seemed to come too early before LM started looking townie.
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On January 25 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:FFS this is bs. OK I'm sorry if my posts look constructed and formatted, it is my style of typing. I tried my hardest to get here before EoD but I'm at work with only tablet capability. I'm sick of giving excuses for myself but this is my life right now and I'm sorry. EoD is 5 pm for me, 4-6 are my busiest hours. I was typing up a post before this one half hour before EoD responding to LM and Breshke wanting my read on DP. Here it is. "LM, Breshke - My townread on DarthPunk is not strong. It is a lean. As someone put it earlier, his early filter was Trfel centric which was a red question mark for me but everything since then has seemed pretty Townie. He wanted to lynch LS and did his own past game diving to evolve his read into a town read, which I agreed with because LS felt to me how he felt in the newbie game. There is also a ton of direct questioning from DP, as well as what seems like genuine effort to solve the game. I do see it possible for scum to question and "solve" the game, too, but going head to head with my pretty strong townread in RSo seems like suicide IMO." After today, I have to look into what Damdred said about DP not being the type to associate himself so closely by defending scum LM. LM flipped Town so did DP trust his town read or was it vying to buy town credit? I got busy as hell at work as I was typing what is in the quotations and couldn't finish anything or get back on until now. Now I'm logged into what feels like a shiteshow. I was wrong on LM and I swore he was scum. I'm actually really upset about this because his EoD reminded me of me when I had to defend myself last game out of a mislynch. It would've given me enough pause to think about moving wagons, honestly. Breshke not being here is about as damning as me not being here EoD, yes, but the phone excuse he brought up seems to be really weak. Also, current discussion on Breshke. In his filter, he blatantly started he had DP as townread D1 and had to rethink it. Null on DP for a while, asks someone for their thoughts on DP. Throws this out there. Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 16:03 Breshke wrote:
RSo do you disagree with DP's read on the shining? I think it is fairly similar to what we were discussing before when i said his filter is hard to read. I just don't seem to interpret as being as scummy as DP is. Implies DP is scummy now. Afterward, he questions DP's townread on LM. Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote:
A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. By that logic, you're implying DP is scum and wants to align himself with LM because he knows LM will flip town and you also imply Town thinks the only way we scum DP is if LM is scum with him since he defended him so this would exonerate DP. If you believe your own logic, why did you still case and push LM so hard?
Because all my DP shit was paranoia. His defense of LM was sketchy and so in that world i brought up it would make LM town but im not going to go for the paranoid world im going to lynch who i think is scum. I had reasons i thought LM was scum but i don't have except information so im going to post shit that applies if im wrong.
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On January 25 2015 11:50 geript wrote:
It's really odd the Breshke isn't flipping the fuck out our anything. Like he was literally 1 vote off of getting lynched. It's like business as usual. That's really funky.
Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched.
I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down.
For DP
+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote:
GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead.
Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed.
Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it.
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RSo did yout ake another look at my filter do you still think im town?
Also how sure are you on your the shining read are you sure you arnt jsut giving him a pass for being a newbie?
All that shit I said about DP seemingly defending LM from nothing i still think is true but he might just have seen something i didn't. Also he seemed genuinely happy when people started changing their votes to me so i have me hesitations.
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Other than the GB stuff Day 1 do you see any other things that make shining townie?
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On January 25 2015 18:18 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm not scum for Town reading LM. You are just bad for scum reading him.
Honestly. The dude looked townie day on because of the way he could change gears on his read with with new information proving his read wrong. Scum just don't change gears that fast in response to new information. They just don't.
I have explained all this before. I honestly STILL have no idea how all of you bads scum read him based on his filter.
AND HE WAS SHITTING TOWNIE RAINBOWS FROM HALFWAY THROUGH YESTERDAY.
Honestly.
Yeah i agree he looked more townie at the end of last day phase especially when he started reconsidering his read on me.
My point is i don't agree with how early you townread him and call me bad for that idc.
Do you agree we no lynch tomorrow DP?
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It removes a question mark from the game which is always a good thing so I still think we should no lynch.
Also damdred could you explain when you are around how geript has gone from scum to town for you.
On January 25 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote:
Geript is cleared he wouldn't pull a second mislynch off a town that's been an almost afk lynch as scum I think. Which is a bit of wifom but hes town, DP is town. So that really narrows down my focus. JarJar is confirmed
Shining, Breshke, Rsoultin.
There are two mafia in there. I think its Breshke and Rsoultin with his unwillingness to switch, LM was acting pretty towny eod.
I know you explain it here but I don't see how trying to move the lynch from a townie to a townie twice is townie enough to change your fairly persistent scum read on him.
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I'm still catching up but i want to ask.
Geript do you think it is reasonable that damdred flipped his read on you to town for the reason he gave?
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On January 26 2015 07:03 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:
I'm still catching up but i want to ask.
Geript do you think it is reasonable that damdred flipped his read on you to town for the reason he gave? Honestly, I'm really torn on Damdred entirely. Like I think I just want to call him town and say fuck it, if he's mafia I'm just going to lynch him in every game he's in.
Then who is your mafia because you are also reading DP as town still? That leaves you with me RSo and shining. Im town RSo is town and who knows what shining is I keep reading his filter and jsut seeing him jump on stuff other people have already discussed.
Either way you are wrong geript.
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On January 26 2015 07:10 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 07:08 Breshke wrote:On January 26 2015 07:03 geript wrote:On January 26 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:
I'm still catching up but i want to ask.
Geript do you think it is reasonable that damdred flipped his read on you to town for the reason he gave? Honestly, I'm really torn on Damdred entirely. Like I think I just want to call him town and say fuck it, if he's mafia I'm just going to lynch him in every game he's in. Then who is your mafia because you are also reading DP as town still? That leaves you with me RSo and shining. Im town RSo is town and who knows what shining is I keep reading his filter and jsut seeing him jump on stuff other people have already discussed. Either way you are wrong geript. What am I wrong about? Damdred being town? DP Being town?
Possibly both but i do agree it is unlikely because of the last EoD. It is still possible though because as you've said DP will bus people who arn't pulling their weight so i think it is entirely possible he buses his partner in damdred there. If he gets the lynch on damdred he basically just wins the game solo in the world where they are the two remaining.
What I think is more likely is that damdred is the scum with the shining.
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I don't understand or agree with damdreds read progressions which makes me think he is scummy. I don't understand how he is so suddenly sure on yourself and DP. Especially you as he was so against you for so long. This is damdred going for the win, after last phase he is just agreeing with you and DP. He seemingly has no doubts that you two are town like none at all.
Shining is PoE which is shit this far in the game. Looking at his filter he often just makes large posts that go with thread sentiment not adding much or pushing stuff himself but i don't really think this is alignment indicative for new town.
The PoE is also shit because DP still makes me paranoid as shit.
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Also i wont be around later today as well because of Aus day stuff.
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What's the point of mentioning it?
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Your wifom doesn't even make sense
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Hardly, he disagreed on one point about you having tmi
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On January 24 2015 21:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 20:52 LoneMeow wrote:On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight.
Can you point out what in it looks bad to you? I've read it a few times myself and I can't really find any obvious giveaways there. The shadiest thing I see is the "quite convenient" time of his disappearance with vote left on jarjarbinks but that's not really very conclusive. Small. He is a bit weird about defending trefel. I think he says something like: "DP has a good point about trefel being town" and then Chainsaw defends him by attacking the person arguing against Trefel but like he attacks her arguments rather than say I still think trefel'/s town. To me that looks terrible. I'll try and find the posts in his filter. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:24 Breshke wrote:On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. Sorry i probably could have worked that shit out myself. The point is you "questioning his intentions" doesn't feel like you are trying to work out his alignment. It feels like you are just asking questions so you have a presence in the thread. Those two posts look pretty bad in hindsight of a scum!trefel flip. Obviously he could be town and just had a solid read or agreed with my posts, but as mafia trying to defend his scum buddy getting behind a townies arguments in order to defend his scum buddy is a very realistic scenario.there was another post that I didn;t like Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On January 18 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote:
So you have no scum leans at least? None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? He is confronted about lack of scum reads at the start and Immediately tries to deflect attention away from his own reads by starting a discussion about the questioners reads. I find that scum are more likely to deflect attention to their positions and town are more likely to seek it. I don't like the self-deprecation either but that is more a tone thing.
I want to talk about the bolded part. This doesn't really make sense if you now think me and RSo are scum together. Like why would i defend my scum buddy by throwing scum on my other scum buddy for accusing him. This doesn't make sense i would just let the bus play out because me getting involved either way makes one of my partners look bad.
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