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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
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January 26 2015 08:35 GMT
#1968
Like I really, really wish I had a really good read on Damdred. But between skimming Shining back and forth and following rsoultin today, I think Shining is probably a good lynch. Rsoultin, I really don't know. I think I want to talk with her. I still think DP is town, but I'll be reading him just to be sure. I really hate this game; I hate being in lylo. I don't think I've ever won a lylo as town and have always won them as mafia (except once on video). I really hate that everyone's calling me town now. It almost makes it harder to get an idea of how to read people off of it and I feel more responsible to do well even though my record at this point tends to stink. I think the worst part of it all is it has me second guessing every read I've made and every read I'm making so I'm even less sure about where to go.
geript
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10024 Posts
January 26 2015 08:37 GMT
#1969
On January 26 2015 17:30 DarthPunk wrote:
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On January 26 2015 17:02 geript wrote:
I've spent the last few hours looking at Breshke's meta. I really don't see him being mafia. Like there are some similarities to both his town and mafia play, but it looks far more like his town game. How he interacts with the thread and reads seems to be the key to understanding his meta imo. Like his mafia games are practically commentary/summary of the thread and I'm not really seeing that here.

I don't think I want to lynch Breshke.


Who do you want to lynch then?

Right now shining's my top choice. I need to get back to him. Like there's no usable meta for him really. But I really can't shake the feeling that his posts feel really, really different. I need to do a deep read of rsoultin too, but that kinda scares me b/c 21 pages.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 08:38 GMT
#1970
Be back in 4-5 hours. Need sleep before I pick my mom up at airport; I'll have a bit before I work.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 08:41 GMT
#1973
On January 26 2015 17:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey geript. Remember last time we were in LYLO together?

You self voted and afk'd and I lynched you. We were both town.

Not really no.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 08:42 GMT
#1975
Meh maybe actually. I thought that wasn't lylo. When you me Rayn and VE all townread each other?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
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January 26 2015 08:42 GMT
#1976
Oh then. Yah
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
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January 26 2015 08:45 GMT
#1977
Pretend Breshke is town and Rsoultin is mafia. Why not switch? That's a thing that's been bugging me about rsoultin. Like ezpz switch no problems.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
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January 26 2015 08:53 GMT
#1980
Like Breshke really doesn't post as Katie. He tends to just pick at minor stuff on the periphery.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 09:09 GMT
#1982
As much. On phone. Look in LS' filter. He linked both mafia games. Metal and Carol I think? He was town in 2 newbies, student 4 and campus. I think those are all/most of his games.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
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January 26 2015 14:25 GMT
#1991
Lol @ all the people who are saying I'm town for what im doing today when I'd do almost exactly the same thing as mafia. I've literally have said I think these 2 guys are town but idk. Like I think my vote could end up anywhere today.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
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January 26 2015 14:28 GMT
#1993
Like here's the thing. Mafia dont need to win today. They can team up and go for it. Or they can include their partner in their reads and consolidate on them. Calling a town town today literally means nothing.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 14:30 GMT
#1994
On January 26 2015 23:27 Damdred wrote:
Geript right now this is where you are at from what I can see

Town:
Geript
DP
Breshke

which leaves shining and rs? That one feels a bit weird to me

My previous read on DP was town but I need to read him specifically. He's kinda been given a free pass in hopes that he'd die or I'd die and because I thought he was really towny. I just need to sit down and analyze him.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 14:32 GMT
#1995
As for shining/RS feeling weird, I agree. It kinda does. I really don't know what to make of RS since 21 pages and felt really towny early on.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 14:34 GMT
#1996
Like I'm pretty sure that I'll probably end up thinking 4 people are town, maybe 5. I'm just going to lynch whoever I think is least towny.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 18:44 GMT
#1998
I'll be home in an hour or so but I just got done hiking a few miles for a job I have. So I may not be entirely awake.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 20:00 GMT
#2000
On January 27 2015 04:40 rsoultin wrote:
@damdred...saying youre not stupid and that what youre doing regarding blazing ahead blindly was actuallu implying youre mafia. i havent hard dived you yet though amd was hoping if i was wrong about your alignment youd rethink your position

@dp...i was right on ls, jjb and trfel, all of whome you were wrong on. also ww. so my methods arent completely worthless. upu need to demonstrate why someone is scum r
ather than make assumptions on unflipped wagons and base your /entire/ analysis on that. some is fine, but not the entire thing.

@geript...a no-lynch with this much uncertainty on everyones part is not terrible. id rather be relatively certain tham hand the game over to scum yolo guessing

shining and bresh scumteam is sort of a cop out imo without actually determining why theyre scummy. its not good enough just to say that the team /could/ work

No a no lynch literally does nothing. You still need 3 townies to vote together and with 4 town, you actually have better likelihood that you can get 3 together before the fourth screws things up. Even still, they kill me tonight as I'm universally townread and you're in the same situation of 1 townie can screw the pooch for the other 3 townies alive currently. Like you're literally saying right now, I would rather go into lylo without Geript to help give his opinion and guide the lynch than with Geript to do that. That literally makes zero sense. There are situations where at LYLO +1 townie it's beneficial to no lynch, but 90% of the time all it does is kill the guy who's generally townread and leave everyone in the same situation. Like if people aren't going to spend time to analyze the game today when it's lylo there's little to no expectation of them doing so tomorrow. I don't even understand why you buy Breshke's argument to no lynch. Like the 3 players with the most experience are saying there's no point to no lynching; why do you think that they're wrong? In the least, 1 of us is town and all of us agree on the point.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 20:11 GMT
#2001
On January 19 2015 02:35 TheWarWaffle wrote:
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On January 19 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 02:23 TheWarWaffle wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:10 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc.


How does the policy vote in first post make more sense from scum perspective?

Where did Trfel give meta reads? I did not notice many of those in his filter. Please quote me some.

It's not just about the policy vote; it's about how all of Trfel's actions coalesce into a very suspicious pile. The vote itself was suspicious in

Trfel's meta-reads:


rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.

That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.


Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta.


At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).




There are more, and there are posts made by him entirely on the topic of meta I will not post here. I am unsure as to how you may have missed them, considering what few reads Trfel has are all based of off predetermined ideas of what people should be doing. What is YOUR definition of meta, LoneMeow?


WarWaffle, if we can't lynch Trfel today, do you still prefer GB?

Absolutely. I'm leaning more towards GB than Trfel at the moment after having read both of their filters over and over again.
Trfel at least pretends to be town; GB doesn't seem to care either way. Trfel will attempt to argue his way out of an accusation; GB will either ignore it or treat it like it's something other than what it is. I will leave my vote on Trfel as of now but GlowingBear is likely my EoD lynch target as of now.

Fuck it. This is what I missed on D1. I really am sorry WW. I should've caught this and seen you were town. This was a really good observation and why I should've wanted to lynch Trfel D1.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 20:14 GMT
#2002
Actually, that whole post is really, really fucking good. He comes up with the wrong analysis, but he made 2 really great observations that I had missed.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 20:46 GMT
#2003
I think I want to lynch Shining and here's why:
1. The JJB "catch"--One of the things that stuck out to me on D1 was the JJB "catch" regarding Doc/Cop setup. I really wish I had pressured him more over this. Like it's really not something that town tends to think of that much because for the most part, they really don't care.


2. Many of his posts are "over explainy"--Things just seemed to be hashed out in a longer, less effective way than they were in Newbie LX. Posts tend to be one long thought instead of separated but somewhat connected thoughts.


3. GB had a few decent points on him here:
On January 19 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:
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On January 19 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote:
Good find GB.

Shinings cote was horrible he said he was in between me and lm voting tried to hammer gb. And caught jarjar slip about the setup


This makes no sense at all, because he was between you and LM and you were scumreading LM right? But then, he voted me, who was scumreading you.

This guy really believe in busses or he is mafia.

On January 19 2015 10:46 GlowingBear wrote:
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On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:
Continuing my previous post:

Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town.


You have all the reasons to town read Trfel but ends calling him null and I can't understand why.
Oh so that's why you were scumreading me. Here is the thing: I like to throw unexplained stuff in the thread to get reactions, so I can gather information on people. I can use it to see who is actively reading and trying to solve the game, and it is a way of keep the thread discussion going on. It is a thing I've learned playing with Rayn (he does this a lot) and something town foolishness also does.
I've said to Trfel that a way to generate discussion is doing controversial things and/or giving reads. Openings are very important because of that. The main proof of this is that this game already has 36 pages and the latest newbie game barely had 20 pages at night1.
The one liners thing is dull. If you town read LS for posting things that comes from the top of his head, you can't scum read me for one liners, because that's just me not holding my thoughts.

This is specially if you really believe this:


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On January 19 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
Catching up from my last post. In response to your question of whether town or scum would think their posts through more.

DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows.


Which is exactly what happened EoD.


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On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:
Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon?

I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play.


This post is completely wrong. Yes, scum call townies town all the time, but NOT in the situation Damdred was. He was shot to get lynched and I was the second wagon. Damdred is much more likely to lynch me than to die. This is exactly why I decided damdred was town. Always remember that mafias objective is to survive. He wasn't willing to survive. Of course he can still be scum but the probability is WAY less than him being townie.


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On January 19 2015 06:04 The Shining wrote:
GB - You said you were coming at lurkers. Since then, I've posted a read on you leaning scum and asked you why the LS BS meter comment was something worth mentioning when it is LS, a player who in my short experience experiences with him seems throw whatever is on his mind out there.

You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be.


Damdreds scum meta is to not be involved. If he is getting tired of playing mafia and isn't involved because if that, well, I can't know. The only thing I know is his meta. Period.
Sorry, I've skipped some posts while skimming through the thread, it seems I missed one of yours.
And regarding not acknowledging you:
[image loading]

I'm gonna stop here to tell you this:

I've misread a lot of your posts. I thought you were saying that I didn't pressure damdred enough, but you were talking about lurkers. I also believed damdred when he said about the scumread on him and LM because I remembered the post your said you wouldn't be surprised if he was scum if I flipped town.

After actually reading your filter win enough attention, you're clearly town to me. I rescind everything I said about you being scum. Although you have a very, very small filter.

The second point I've been back and forth on. But I think it's reasonable accurate-ish. It is interesting to note that both Damdred and GB picked up on the "scumreads Damdred, GB and LM but votes for GB." Coming from a game where pretty much no mafia bussed, it's a pretty odd thought imo. There's paranoia, but Shining in my (short) experience is a pretty methodical player and that seems rather odd coming from him.


4. I really like the point against him that he's quoting less. I know he says it's a pain and I completely sympathize with that as I often play from my phone and quoting from mobile is a real hassle especially when I want to quote multiple things. That said, for me it shows a level of caring and want to find the right lynch. It's something that, maybe incorrectly, I'm putting stock in, but I don't think it's something that should be ignored wholly.


5. This is to some extent wifomy, but in the immortal words of Teh Blazinghand the first of his name long shall he live and long may his shenanigans live in imfamy, "There's wine that's easier to drink and wine that's harder to drink." In this case, I find it to be the former. I think if Shining were town, when there was a slight push towards him near the EoD3 he would've been a much easier target than Breshke. Like if he's town, his lynch says little to nothing about Breshke/LM and town is likely to be wifom focused on them D4. Shining's pretty low impact this game and I think almost anyone could easily come up with reasons to head towards him easily. Except that for most of today and much of yesterday, few if any have really taken a hard look into him. Few care. For town, to some extent that can be normal. But he really feels like lynch bait and it's really odd to see lynch bait come up so infrequently if he's town.

##vote The Shining

I'll be around sporadically for the rest of the afternoon/evening. I'm going to look at rsoultin and DP next.


Sidenote: I think I'm going to blame not lynching Damdred on GB. I'm just going to sheep his townread for now and blame him for it if it's wrong. If he's town though I totally got there on my own for better reasons because meta.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 26 2015 22:18 GMT
#2005
I can't explain how depressing it is to be the only person in the thread for the most part for the last 5-6 hours.
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