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lalalipop
Profile Joined January 2015
56 Posts
January 10 2015 08:55 GMT
#761
On January 10 2015 16:16 liancourt wrote:
The amount of defense on LS and obi is overwhelming. Even if it's mafia defending town it'll mean they're town and mafia wouldn't defend their own this hard so I'll reluctantly ignore them for now.

Eden is prolly town for trying to at least figure out the game when the thread was in stalemate.

Although I don't think oats is playing greatly like the aggressive town player he is there are others who are very unmemorable for example, drparnassus and breshke or even lala.

Town

Bats
Me
eden
ls
obi
oats
hts
sl
mderg

scum

drparnassus
lala
breshke

i'll look into one of these 3 later


sidenote: games in other forums takes a very long time, sometimes even months. This game is actually really fast paced in comparison. Sorry if I seemed very unmemorable/not posted much, I'll step up my posting.

I have issues with your list post. I need justifications on each player thrown into the townpool (mderg, sl, bats, hts) and more justifications on the scumpool, other than being unmemorable, because that's a terrible way to pick out scum.

There are many scum players, in fact most scum, who play really active and outmatches most town filtersize. Give actual evidence on why you think they're scum. In this case, you were just separating people into "posting a lot" and "not posting much".
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 10 2015 09:15 GMT
#762
Yes thats pretty much what i did. And look i got u to post something defensive
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2015 09:19 GMT
#763
On January 10 2015 18:15 liancourt wrote:
Yes thats pretty much what i did. And look i got u to post something defensive

I'm in your town pile and agree with him. Please consider
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 10 2015 09:23 GMT
#764
On January 10 2015 16:48 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 16:16 liancourt wrote:
The amount of defense on LS and obi is overwhelming. Even if it's mafia defending town it'll mean they're town and mafia wouldn't defend their own this hard so I'll reluctantly ignore them for now.

Eden is prolly town for trying to at least figure out the game when the thread was in stalemate.

Although I don't think oats is playing greatly like the aggressive town player he is there are others who are very unmemorable for example, drparnassus and breshke or even lala.

Town

Bats
Me
eden
ls
obi
oats
hts
sl
mderg

scum

drparnassus
lala
breshke


i'll look into one of these 3 later

How's the defending of LS/obi "overwhelming" if the thread is "in stalemate"...? Seems like a stalled out thread would be more receptive to a push on your suspects, not less.

And what's with the soft defense of Oats? You appear to use meta as a primary tool of evaluating people, yet you're disregarding what your analysis of the meta is apparently telling you. Instead you're scumreading my nulls for being unmemorable. Do you have any actual reason why they're mafia?


None whatsoever except the fact they arent trying to figure the game out. Which is a pretty big reason in the scheme of things. I would like more content from them but you cant get everything u want in life.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 10 2015 09:24 GMT
#765
I don't think looking for unmemorable people is a terrible way to pick out scum but yeah more reasons are always better.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 10 2015 09:25 GMT
#766
On January 10 2015 18:19 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 18:15 liancourt wrote:
Yes thats pretty much what i did. And look i got u to post something defensive

I'm in your town pile and agree with him. Please consider


Consider wat?
lalalipop
Profile Joined January 2015
56 Posts
January 10 2015 09:47 GMT
#767
In this post, I will be both commenting on eden's post and be using it to supplement the suspicions I had on people.

eden's thought on liancourt
+ Show Spoiler +

First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen.


I don't know about the "letting the kill happen" part, but I had some doubts about liancourt as well. His d1 and d2 don't match up: he scumread obi/LS/VA (voted VA), but dismissed all 3 on d2 and took up 3 new targets, which were low hanging fruit for their low quantity posting. Why? I'll be watching him from now on. Also, that amount of bad posts from lian and obi from n1. Ugh.


eden's thoughts on oatsmaster

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Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left.


Oatsmaster. I don't know where to begin. His case on VA was legit, and both oats and lian certainly did settle down on VA together. I need more content from him to decide what he is intending to do this game.


eden's thoughts on SL and LS
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- sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read.


I don't agree with using activity and pushing lynch as a metric to decide if they are scum or not, for reasons I have explained.

How would one decide if they were genuine? SL was just tunnelling for d1, while LS kept mentioning that he can't read bats/obi/hts.


Eden's thoughts on HTS

+ Show Spoiler +

- Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts.


What about the part where HTS' s filter was just content-less, filled with meta reads? The entire filter just screams 'I'm trying to look like I have content!' to me.

Eden's thoughts on batsnacks
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- batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does.


batsnacks felt like he was trying to control the flow of the game near end of d1, which makes me think he's trying to scumhunt and settle town down. +1 townpoint.

Eden's thoughts on obi
+ Show Spoiler +

- Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that.


His n1 was toxic. Enough said.


Overall, these are my thoughts about the people that eden mentioned. I will be giving my thoughts about the few orhers later, then decide on where they stand.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 10 2015 11:01 GMT
#768
On January 10 2015 15:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote:
Final Vote Count Day 1

LightningStrike (0): liancourt
sicklucker (0): Eden1892, Breshke
liancourt (0): mderg
VayneAuthority (8): liancourt, Half the Sky, Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, batsnacks, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, lalipop, Eden1892
Oatsmaster (1): 27ninjabunnies
Half the Sky (3): mderg, sicklucker, DrParnassus, lalipop
27ninjabunnies (0): DrParnassus, DrParnassus

Currently, VayneAuthority is set to be lynched with 5 votes.

until deadline.

First thought is LOL at trying to do vca on this. Two wagons, one town, the other unknown, clear majority, only outlier vote is confirmed town b/c she was shot right afterward. No layups

In situations like these where the main wagon is town and we don't know the other wagon, we first want to look at the rationale people gave for their votes. The first person I notice is myself, because I didn't give any, because I'm a donkey and I slept through EOD and only managed to slap a fast vote down to avoid mod sanction. No johns, I suck, sorry guys.

Instead I'm going to look at the other people who coasted on the lead wagon.

First is liancourt. Most of his d1 posting by far is pushing LightningStrike, then ObiWanShinobi. Then he ends up voting with both on VayneAuthority, because VA wasn't trying d1. This is an odd sequence of events to me because (1) I don't think that's the strongest case to be made on VA and (2) liancourt claims to have only given up on pushing LS and Obi because the pushes weren't getting traction, which should mean he didn't stop suspecting them, and yet he ends up voting for the same guy as them. I know that even if I had failed to convince people to kill my suspects, two of them voting together on someone would have given me a great deal of pause. liancourt just lets the kill happen.

Second is Oatsmaster, his case on Vayne is also not the correct case IMO. It's weird that it's the opposite of liancourt's, and that in the course of discussing this read neither one of them ended up arguing with the other about it. I guess maybe he didn't have to push as hard because Vayne became the lynch fairly quick, but it seems like he pretty much parked his vote and left.

===

Other notes:

- sicklucker and LightningStrike are probably town, they've both been pretty active and have pushed their lynch hard. I don't think either of the cases they made on their targets d1 were actually good, but I think they were genuine, which is all I need to see to make a read.

- Half the Sky looks reasonably good to me as well. The one thing irking me a bit is that she read me as town for making a "detailed case" on Vayne when I don't remember ever doing so, but it's obvious she cares about the direction of the game. Her interaction with sicklucker about the past game seems sincere enough - I know it's not directly relevant to this game, but I think the entire conversation reads town, go open her filter and find that bit and read for yourselves so you can see what I mean - and she's been rather open with her thoughts.

- batsnacks is sorta vulnerable to the same logic that implicates liancourt, but batsnacks still pushed reasonably hard on Obi while voting Vayne and tried to get a last-minute vote on Obi instead of Vayne. This strikes me as more of what I'd expect a townie to do if his primary suspect were off the table: go after a secondary one while taking his chances at getting the primary suspect killed instead. I also think he's been a lot more forthright and sincere than liancourt, so I find myself okay with batsnacks, even though to some extent he does the same thing that liancourt does.

- Obi already called out liancourt for the big thing I noticed earlier, so he's town in my mind for now. Obi does end up criticizing the VA lynch while staying on it, but if you read his filter it seems fairly clear that he got caught with insufficient time to figure out anything else to do due to out-of-game constraints. It's not like he peaced out from the thread and coasted. I can give him a pass on that.

===

That's all I feel like doing right now, I'll do more later on but this seems good enough to start with.

Town: me, Obi, HTS, SL, LS, bats
Mafia: Oats, lian
TBD: Breshke, lollipop, derg, Doc

To the townpile you go. Especially the part about liancourt looks good. I'd imagine a townie would at least question his vote more, when he is on the same wagon as his two main suspects. His vote literally made no sense at all.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 10 2015 12:13 GMT
#769
I think i can understand how the imperial players are feeling right now

anywho....i am trying to figure out the game

There are ppl that blatantly arent trying
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 10 2015 17:33 GMT
#770
yeah lala could be scum too.
a lotta wishy washy reads in that pointless list post.
No gg, No skill.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 10 2015 17:44 GMT
#771
Why aren't you voting OWS oats? OWS doesn't have any scum reads and he hasn't all game.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 10 2015 18:33 GMT
#772
yo tell that to eden
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 10 2015 21:04 GMT
#773
On January 11 2015 02:44 batsnacks wrote:
Why aren't you voting OWS oats? OWS doesn't have any scum reads and he hasn't all game.


Uhm, yes I have.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 10 2015 21:05 GMT
#774
Lala I need a list of reads from you.

I see your list post but I don't really know where you stand on anyone and that really bugs me.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 10 2015 21:07 GMT
#775
Thrawn needs to do something.

Like asap.
Retired.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 10 2015 22:28 GMT
#776
I sorry I forgot to say I was going to play a in a Yugioh Tournament today T_T Anyone here want to talk?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2015 22:49 GMT
#777
On January 11 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:
I sorry I forgot to say I was going to play a in a Yugioh Tournament today T_T Anyone here want to talk?

Yeah, we need to talk sson.

Drop that shit like the bad habit it is and play MTG.






Serious posting will come after work, I got told off by my boss today for trying to sneak a peek at TL so no more work-lurk for me
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 10 2015 22:50 GMT
#778
On January 11 2015 07:49 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:
I sorry I forgot to say I was going to play a in a Yugioh Tournament today T_T Anyone here want to talk?

Yeah, we need to talk sson.

Drop that shit like the bad habit it is and play MTG.






Serious posting will come after work, I got told off by my boss today for trying to sneak a peek at TL so no more work-lurk for me

When you get home we can talk but don't lose your job just because of this game.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 10 2015 23:19 GMT
#779
Lol I'm not about to, no more worklurk
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 11 2015 01:03 GMT
#780
Has their really been like 5 posts in 20 hours? Is this a sick joke?
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