EPTHi everyone! New to the game but I think this is how I join, right? (Thanks for popping up a newbie one to learn from)
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Silverarte
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Hi everyone! New to the game but I think this is how I join, right? (Thanks for popping up a newbie one to learn from) | ||
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But clearly rsoultin, the answer is "Best I can!" | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:47 ExO_ wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but she just made one post right? And that's your basis for "awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum"? Seems like that's reading into things quite a bit more than is reasonable. I'm much more highly suspicious of you for trying to through some nonsense suspicion on someone else. Also, I'm not sure here. It makes me curious when someone is energetically after scum right at the get go. Could they be? It's possible. I wonder myself | ||
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 )So..time for the nitty gritty (and tracking down the questions I missed). I admit, this is hard because I prefer to make a basis in anything I state. So I'm analyzing things pretty hard. So..here's me giving up on analyzing and tossing up what I have. I was asked to clarify my suspicions, so here goes. @HTS - You are right that a lot of us are so new we're shiny and dripping with the paint. As for what I think of what the others posted so far, it's a lot of saying the same thing but in different ways. Perhaps a better answer to you question is going to be in the addresses below. (Why read the same thing over and over in the same post?  ) If I don't answer it though, please say so, so I can. Also, I currently am thinking you are town. There have been numerous examples, but your mentions of what you think of everyone's roles lead me to believe positively in that direction so far!@Rsoultin To be honest? At the risk of losing cool points here, I entirely forget what I was trying to get at. I can backtrack and guess, but I really don't want to lie about anything. Rules and all. That said, for the analysis portion on you? I'm not entirely sure yet. You haven't convinced me either way. @Jarjar- Sorry you're sick man! That said, the blatant 'I am town', while funny, makes me want to eye you. The ones who are most blatant often seem to me to be the ones to suspect first. Your sarcasm is fantastic, but I agree with HTS. I don't feel like you want to Scum hunt. @Exo_ : Reading all of your accusations makes you sound pretty angry in general at first, but afterwards you are really strong in clarifying your points. However, you voted so quickly and you implicate almost as much so. What bothers me is that while you do this, you flip around quickly from person to person based sometimes on good solid reasoning, and other times based on 'I don't like this post'. What exactly is it that made you suspicious of LS and JarJar? @Warwaffle- Thanks for pointing me at the guide, though I admit, the 'suspicious' intro had me blink a few times. So far though, your analysis has me thinking you as town but I do agree with Celestial. You didn't give us anything of substance. @Trfel I totally agree wih finding a 'how to find scum' guides. That would help put all of us on the right track. Thank you for the analysis on the Mafia XXX thread by the way. I was reading through it. That said....free townie points? @LS My alignment is Lawful Neutral, clearly. (Ahahaha...haha...ha...D&D references....ok, beat me now). To be honest, I'm leaning towards town for you. I agree with Jarjar's assessment that I felt more that you were trying to include everyone, rather than specifying a side. That said, I did not see any 'scum' reads myself. You've been pretty straight forward that I can see. | ||
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@Tubeshock Personally? I'm leaning towards Exo and Gumdrop. Exo is as I said above. Quick to vote, quick to accuse. And Gumdrop hasn't really been 'trying' to contribute and it bothers me a little. As for above? Most are null with slight leans one way or another. D1 is definitely a challenge. | ||
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For now...to bed with me! I'll duck in before I head to work tomorrow.  | ||
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@LS My personal personality alignment just isn't Chaotic enough! ExO, I'm still curious on but I'm aware I'm in here too early to get the responses to my questions. I'm not voting you because you've had some great posts so far and I look forward to more. Rereading everything so far (in what I missed and what's been said), Gumdrop did step up to give an explanation of his (or her!) thoughts at this point. I'm still suspicious because of how long it took, but honestly, you're as new as me so I totally get it. (Til next round. >D) As far as my vote, rereading (and being convinced by several other player points), my vote is going to Waffle. I doublechecked the posts to validate what was being said, and it's true that there is a lot of lurking going on with only substance in the beginning given after prodding. ##Vote: TheWarWaffle | ||
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That said..here goes... (Before WarWaffle's Lynching ) @HTS In address to the question I saw back on page 17 (because wow I need to catch up! Darn you timezones/work schedules!) Let's see if I can clarify. As far as what went on with Waffle, My thought originally was that waffle was doing a good job with the analysis when he (or she!) jumped in after reading that one Guide. I did change my mind, overall, when I read over what was being said. My secondary use of substance was an incorrect word usage where I wanted to indicate that the first post was where the "meet" of his opinions was there with nothing afterwards. It should also be pointed out that the reason I didn't respond to Rsoultin's question with an answer was honestly that I could not remember a single bit of what I was trying to get at. Completely. Embarassing. As a general address, however, there seems to be some curiosity as to why I flipped my votes around and contradicted myself. The answer really generated from what I said before. Gumdrop had yet to post anything and ExO I wanted to hear from before voting to lynch. @LS as of page 19 you pointed out I was at work and did vote. I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for that. @Tubeshock Addressing your post on page 21, the general feeling here can be attributed mainly to my bad work schedule timing and life. At any time if anyone wants to pop a question up for me, I will make sure to address it. --- (after the Lynching) ><! Well, I feel sad now. I will say that this game has been very educational so far. I really wish I could be here while I'm working. =/ ---------- Reads to follow, as requested by Rsoultin! I think I've managed to respond to the questions seeming to be posed to me (with this one being an exception). If I missed something, feel free to point it out and I'll catch up on it. | ||
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Also, LS, take care of your mom. Best of luck! | ||
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6 central time is 5pm for me, the exact time I'm getting off (if I am lucky). I have a 20 minute to hour long commute (traffic, weather, so on) and immediately come home to trying to eat dinner, settling my household down and helping with sick people (who so lovingly gave me their cold xD). I have to be at work at 8:30 am, but again with that commute. ( Generally leave at 7:30 my time for work) --- @Ls Glad you're back and she's ok! <3 LS, what makes you so suspicious of Shining? In your mind, who is the biggest candidate to lynch right now and why? I know Shining is on your radar, but what makes Shining more important than say...Gumdrop? | ||
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So, I think first and foremost...I owe a recap of what I think everyone is! The Shining: You, my friend, are getting scum votes all over the place! And I'm not entirely sure what to make of you just yet. Part of this is certainly my inexperience, but I felt you defended yourself relatively well here in your second post. The first ones you gave flipped back and forth, but it looks like you're backing your decision this round. I'm neutral, leaning towards towne. HTS: You asked my motivations and thoughts on what's transpired so far. Personally, my first thought is 'Crap, we're getting picked off!". In regards to Waffle, you're right, I sheeped (I believe this means when we're following the votes of others rather than something else, right?). I did this because the cases being made were more reasonable to me at the time. When I was scumming ExO and Gumdrop, I wanted to give them the opportunity to respond before I condemed. I can't say I tunneled, but the sudden silence on Waffle's part made me more suspicious than anything. As for how I feel about you? (Sheesh I wish we didn't keep missing each other! Well, if I survive til the weekend, I have that off? =D) You've been very consistent and straight forward. You are a straight on town read for me. What are your assessments currently? Also, in answer to your last post you popped up...I have never played this game before. I am a complete newbie and this is game number 1. (Soultin had been talking about Mafia games continually and I told her I'd try it out). So if it's hard to read me, believe me when I say I find it difficult to read all of you. I'll keep trying though. =) LS: You are a constant poster, and points to you for that. You do a great job keeping other posters engaged and getting people talking and questioning. I looked through your filter through the beginning. (talk about a read!). Currently, looking through your posts, i'm reading a lot of generalization and little to no specifics on your reads at the moment. I'm growing steadily suspicious of you, particularly with your votes following the 'sheeping trend' (hee...I like that phrase), but I'm seeing little to nothing else. Can you tell me how you're feeling on the people here in, in what way you're leaning and why? JarJar: I'm not sure what EOD means, but yes, that whole crazy paying the bills thing is biting me in the rear at the moment. Now then...let me bump back to replying to your post at me. That being said, I'm not sure if you just called me out on being scum or not. So, I'll respond as though you did and if you didn't? Weelll...bonus information? =D I'm discovering one of the hardest things about defending yourself from that view is activity with posting. To compensate, I do my best to post when I come home and before going to work. THAT said...my vote on Waffle was indeed sheeping with Rsoultin. She wrote a good defense and looking back through the posts (which I was going page by page at the time...gosh I love filters) it made logical sense to me. And for me, that matters. That said, in defense against being scum, while I sheeped a vote, I have not tunneled towards anyone and I've been open and honest about what I thought and why. So let me direct a question or two towards you. You aren't out of the suspicion waters yet with me! =P Following what you said about voting LS, what is your reasoning for it? What ranks him above Tube or Shining? Gumdrop: I have to admit, I'm more than a little concerned about you not posting,my friend. When you show up, share your thoughts! Who's suspicious? Who isn't? Celestial: You're been prolific in your posting, and it's led me to think town for you at first. The throwing away of your vote (as you put it) still puts a redmark on you to watch. I think my biggest fret is the free town passes early, straight to the vote...and then I'm not seeing much here about trying to contribute for the town and it feels floaty about-ish. Is Rsoultin your biggest target right now? Why? Tubeshock: I'm just neutral on you. You put thought into short bits of words. I'd be really interested in knowing what you think of everyone at this point too. Are JarJar and Shining still your top picks? | ||
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Current Scum Reads: Celesial and LS LS - if you don't mind, I'm not going to beat this horse into the ground anymore. I'd like to see what LS comes back with tomorrow, if anything. If you need me to expound on this, I certainly can but I don't really want to make everyone reread what they've already seen. I can put up the reasons I support this if anyone really wants to see them. Celestial - First off, I've been reading and rereading ExO's and Shining's points. While I do believe Celestial is expecting me to defend myself to calling me a liar, Shining got the defense out before I did. Some of you might say that is convienent, and admittedly, it is. But let me add a few things from this newbie mafia player in your group. Firstly: ExO makes a great point. You may not have lied, but there are levels of inconsistency in your votes. LS --> Jarjar ---->LS. While LS seems to have generally given up on defending himself, you're pretty active (which is great!), so let's keep going. Secondly:, Celestial did not post substance on one of his Scum claims til Tubeshock insisted on it. Loudly. Then we got something. And then guess who's first...Shining! Then...Rsoultin? Now, admittedly, I caught this post below but still. Why these two? You've made a good case to support your claim, but while Shining has been in and out of the scum radar, Rsoultin was not a strong case for you previously (or so I thought!). Admittedly, she was suspicious for you, but why suddenly these coming to the forefront? On January 09 2015 08:21 -Celestial- wrote: I literally just stated that my case on jarjar was shaken by his massive improvement after the flip. Or did you miss that part? Or are you deliberately ignoring it? You asked for a case and since you were bloody well doubting the LS read I thought it would be handy for you to convince yourself on it. If you don't want that then fine. Now, I'm fine with a vote change..but are Shining and Rsoultin honestly your top picks now? I know they were always on your radar, but top? Thirdly: Hmm. Quite honestly, your posts are reading like lashing out. While this game is emotionally charged, what is there to suddenly get frustrated with? Why get frustrated with a scum read and someone wanting them? I'm given to understand that's par for the course. None of it's personal guys. You're fantastic! But....I was asked and here it shall be! | ||
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Moreso, we do see a consistent pattern with (as Rsoultin said to give credit where it's due) the WW bad Lynch and a general unwillingness to press his own votes. LS, I give a lot of credence to the case. A lot of bad 'juju' if you will in the pattern of his votes/targets. Right now? My vote is parking on Celestial (which is supported by the post before this one, not just this one). ##Vote: Celestial | ||
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And towny words or not, Tubesock, I think it's time I probably claim with checks considering it's Mylo/Lylo (whatever it is). I'm the Cop. My checks were on Tubesock and ExO_, both clearing as town. The two checks are, I believe, solid. Tubesock has been continually contributing and consisitently. ExO_, unless he's the godfather, is also clear. My spidey senses say and hope he isn't! My checks said town after all! It's said Celestial isn't a viable good push today, I question that. In a game of newbies, how unbalanced would it be if we had a veteran, doc AND cop on the towne side? Rsoultin herself pointed out how scummy Celest's claim on being a doc. Shining is definitely an option, but Celestial still reeks of scum to me. On January 09 2015 14:53 rsoultin wrote: Okay... I won't lynch the following tomorrow under any circumstances: HTS ExO (lesser town read, but still a town read) Those I would prefer not to lynch from strongest to weakest: JarJar (despite the OMGUS moment at his case, was consistent on his reads leading up to the lynch, and voted sensibly) Tubesock (appeared tunneled, took responsibility afterwards, solid posting before and after) Silver (complete null) Shining (suspicious, don't like the lying, but his defense was otherwise convincing and he's improved in Day 2. willing to give him more time) Gumdrop (suspicious, but he hasn't posted hardly at all. the only thing that doesn't make this a policy lynch is the point I asked him to clarify on EoD...and I'd like to see his answer before lynching him) On to lynchables: LS - <3 you, dude, but I think you're a solid lynch + all actives you townread (with the exception of shining at null), and all inactives you null read (scum WW as "worst inactive") - thanks to ExO (I think) for turning me on to this gem + only reaction to WWs soft claim was to ask him to claim + sudden rage after flip and saying you tunneled him...where? your reads put him as basically the worst of your nulls + meta point: afraid of lynching blues in all prior games -Celestial- - not personal either, but you're my top choice + all three lynchwagons were scumread by you in your last Day 1 list post, with waffling back and forth on LS afterwards + kept saying WW lynch felt wrong, yet reacted to blue claim saying it wasn't enough to convince "us" (weren't you already convinced given your posts?) + more about WW lynch feeling wrong, but did nothing about it i.e. tried to get others to vote JarJar with you or change your vote to other two scumreads LS and Shining + lesser point, but you never mention my static vote on WW despite Shining case until I question you...why didn't it come up before in your WW lynch feels wrong posts? Will place the vote here tomorrow morning, all things remaining equal. If anyone wants links to the posts behind those points, please ask. (Was going for readability.) These are great defense posts supporting a lot of Soultin said. As for myself, in a later post I wrote that: -Celestial was inconsistent with what he's saying. ExO did a great job of pointing that out. -What substance was there til Tube insisted on something? And then look it who came up first. Shining, then Rsoultin (who flipped town). And a more recent one I've been considering: -What's the best way to save your rear in this game when everyone's voting you? Claim a power role! TLDR version: -If I'm cop and we flipped the vet, why would we have a doc? -My checks are supported by other's posting. -It was clear that town (Tube, Rsoultin, so on) weren't going to mislynch Celestial today by their posting last night. Why did the mafia leave him alive? (thoughts on Shining to come!) | ||
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HTS's and Scott's case on Shining is pretty solid and supported. The biggest problem is Shining's lack of posts coupled with what looks like a lack of 'reasoning' behind it. Example being here that my real life gets in the way of my being able to post frequently. That said, I find the case interesting and plausible. I really want to see more from Shining. I think he has a lot to offer when he posts. I just dislike that I have nothing more recent to go off of. Scott, you asked me why I voted checked the two I did. First night was ExO, and I checked him for how angry his posts sounded and how scummy he was. Tubesock I checked because it felt like no one was questioning him. Or rather, his motivations. When choosing someone, I was worried about hiding in plain sight, which is what the mafia/scum we have this game are clearly doing. Admittedly, I just figured out how I could have done that after the night action time ticked down. Tubesock? Two things. One? "Baby come back" is stuck in my head. Just saying. Two? I'm also VERY interested in what Jarjar also has to say. | ||
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(Nothing personal Celestial! And a belated happy birthday!) | ||
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Tubesock, I'm totally holding onto my tinfoil hat here too. I'm agreeing with you. | ||
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Now for the nitty gritty. C'mon man! (When you get back). Rather than moping about "What do I do now", why don't you try to help us find the right lynch? I mean, if you're really town, that's what you should be doing. @Jarjar Why is Shining at your top of top? (genuine curiosity. I'm looking for the part that's your opinions, not percentages). Also, just pointing out to you Jarjar..what do I gain by lying at this point? There was no motivation or push for it. I wasn't at the top of the list for anything or anyone. | ||
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On January 12 2015 07:27 Silverarte wrote: I was asked what I thought of Shining. It took me a while to go through everything, from cases against him to his own posts. (And I admit it...I may have fallen asleep a bit in the little. Stupid colds. ><) HTS's and Scott's case on Shining is pretty solid and supported. The biggest problem is Shining's lack of posts coupled with what looks like a lack of 'reasoning' behind it. Example being here that my real life gets in the way of my being able to post frequently. That said, I find the case interesting and plausible. I really want to see more from Shining. I think he has a lot to offer when he posts. I just dislike that I have nothing more recent to go off of. Scott, you asked me why I voted checked the two I did. First night was ExO, and I checked him for how angry his posts sounded and how scummy he was. Tubesock I checked because it felt like no one was questioning him. Or rather, his motivations. When choosing someone, I was worried about hiding in plain sight, which is what the mafia/scum we have this game are clearly doing. Admittedly, I just figured out how I could have done that after the night action time ticked down. Tubesock? Two things. One? "Baby come back" is stuck in my head. Just saying. Two? I'm also VERY interested in what Jarjar also has to say. Celestial, are you even reading the posts? >> That said Celestial, what's "suspicious" about my claim at this point? Who was pushing me to claim anything? Who was voting for me to be lynched? Top suspicious people are yourself and Shining. I'm safe, or was, as NK is coming up if we all survive the game to night. So, let's try it this way. -I feel as though you're pushing my points against you on me. Especially since other posts I've written answer that question credibly. So, that feels scummy to an extreme. -Next, I haven't claimed under 'scummy' conditions or to save myself from a lynch train. -It's Mylo/Lylo. We're questioning my checks over my motivation? Between the two of us, your claim was far more suspicious. -Let's point out instead how you were ready to give up because "no one believes you" until I encouraged. Considering how late you're noticing I claimed, are you even reading the posts? This feels incredibly last ditched. | ||
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--Now to the reason I"m voting who I am. Sorry Jarjar. =( Looking at your reasons, I can follow why you vote who, but you never answered my question as to why youfelt about Shining the way you did without the percentages. Reason I'm concerned about your vote is more that you voted Shining (who you think is town), but didn't look to the ones you said are more suspicious? (Like HTS?) Nothing personal man, but you're getting my vote. =( (On the flip side, I hope you do have a good day at work!) ##Vote: Jarjarbinks | ||
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