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On January 07 2015 03:46 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 03:38 LightningStrike wrote:
JarJar please read the link I posted on this page so you can see my scum play. Notice my filter was really small and I wasn't as active and was very timid? Why on earth would someone meta someone who has like 3 games? If you've only played 3 games, why or how on earth would anyone think your play would NOT change? Don't you think your play would IMPROVE after each game? At least until you have say a dozen under your belt? Use it for the likes of Marv or Palmar or whatever, but seriously using it on you with your 3 games? you made me rage when you talked about meta from my ONE game. You really think I didn't sit down and think about what the fuck I did wrong? Or ask others? Why do you think I wanted to shadow the Imperial game instead of play this one??? /endrant
Great point. It could help you get a feel for the player though. I haven't changed much since my last game. Definitely a good excuse for most players and meta in this game.
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I don't know what to think about warwaffle. I'm guessing he's lying about the power role.
Its enough to keep my from voting for him though.
My vote is for the shining. And I already did It in the thread. Still suspicious enough to pick him in my top three and give another option to others who also were suspicious of him (sorry about the "she's" before)
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I think some people have some questions to answer for:
I will focus on the 5 who voted for Warwaffle, because you know, they like decided to kill a power role towny AFTER he claimed power role. On a side note revealing the size of my brain, I originally was 80% sure you shouldn’t kill someone who claims a power role and wait at least 1 day, but I wasn’t 100% sure. All this claiming stuff is somehow going over my head.
Rsoultin- The mastermind behind the plot! What a surprise! I feel like you literally kill all town in every game lol You have like the worst track record! There should be a new role specifically created for you, much like the vigilante except you just convince everyone to kill town every day. And your role never wins. I will get off that pointless rant and start accusing. I’m just putting you as mafia in my accusations for now, since you have killed more town than mafia has at this point. IF you were playing mafia, in the morning of the death (no I will not grab quotes, feel free to ask me why if you want some excuses. I also didn’t edit, same story), you pick a towny that you know is an easy target. Everyone hates the inactives on this thread, and warwaffle hasn’t posted much of value despite claiming to know things. There were other logical reasons? I don’t remember. Anyways, sounds like an easy enough target. Probably the desperate townies who are being harassed will cling to a logical argument. You check back later and post some more things about shining, but keep your vote on warwaffle. This is smart so are perceived as the main driver on a towny death (day 1 or no this is not the best). You mention not being around at EOD which is also smart. You previously mentioned you were going to be very close to missing EOD before, this will affirm. Maybe you can get “lucky” and change your vote if you see a better target later. You DO get to see the votes before EOD. The waffle train struck gold for you and you have a great excuse! People will treat you like silverarte when vote analyzing. You casually wait a decent amount of time, 40 ish minutes sounds perfect! You rant and rage, show as much indignation as possible. You go off on LS and celestial mostly. Celestial is a fantastic target because he wasted his vote. LS already looks suspicious and voted for waffle. Plus LS looks bad for the last game you guys played together. Did you rant on tube? You should definitely rant on tube if you didn’t, I want to. You will look tomorrow to find a dumb towny who did make a decent vote and go on them (there was a lot of us. I honestly hate my own vote and I didn’t even vote waffle), which will divert attention from you as you look for a good nightkill.
Questions for you:
1. What were you doing around 6 central time? Eating Dinner? Working? I know you work strange hours sometimes. Your phone is better than mine so unless you were working I’m not sure what you were doing.
2. Why didn’t you switch your vote to shining at 4 your time? You like diversifying the votes so you can switch later. You would risk vote wasting, but you know if you put your mind to it you could have convinced some of us to follow suit.
3. You mentioned anger at TS, Celestial, and Shining for voting waffle. No tube? Silver has a good excuse, so I can see less indignation there.
4. If you had to pick 2 people on the waffle train that were mafia, who would they be? Let’s say you have to lynch one right now. Who is that?
Ok that was long… I’ll do the other ones tomorrow, its past my bedtime and I don’t want to be sick! O crap, more excuses. Sorry guys.
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No more snow days for me. Ill be back from work 2200 hopefully will have time to post before possible death. Glhf till then.
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did I say that I was gonna be back 3 hours ago? craaaaazy. this goes to show WE NEED MORE SNOW DAYS! ill read and answer questions before more random long postings about the killers
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Sure gum I voted Shining because he had 2 votes and didn't claim blue. I was 80% sure it was bad to lynch waffle cuz of claim and about 60% sure it was bad to lynch LS because of claim.
In all honesty, I hate my decision. I should have picked LS because LS had 3 votes. I would have made 4. Shining wouldn't have switched to Waffle. Maybe someone else could have switched.
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On January 07 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 16:02 jarjarbinks wrote:
I think some people have some questions to answer for:
I will focus on the 5 who voted for Warwaffle, because you know, they like decided to kill a power role towny AFTER he claimed power role. On a side note revealing the size of my brain, I originally was 80% sure you shouldn’t kill someone who claims a power role and wait at least 1 day, but I wasn’t 100% sure. All this claiming stuff is somehow going over my head.
Rsoultin- The mastermind behind the plot! What a surprise! I feel like you literally kill all town in every game lol You have like the worst track record! There should be a new role specifically created for you, much like the vigilante except you just convince everyone to kill town every day. And your role never wins. I will get off that pointless rant and start accusing. I’m just putting you as mafia in my accusations for now, since you have killed more town than mafia has at this point. IF you were playing mafia, in the morning of the death (no I will not grab quotes, feel free to ask me why if you want some excuses. I also didn’t edit, same story), you pick a towny that you know is an easy target. Everyone hates the inactives on this thread, and warwaffle hasn’t posted much of value despite claiming to know things. There were other logical reasons? I don’t remember. Anyways, sounds like an easy enough target. Probably the desperate townies who are being harassed will cling to a logical argument. You check back later and post some more things about shining, but keep your vote on warwaffle. This is smart so are perceived as the main driver on a towny death (day 1 or no this is not the best). You mention not being around at EOD which is also smart. You previously mentioned you were going to be very close to missing EOD before, this will affirm. Maybe you can get “lucky” and change your vote if you see a better target later. You DO get to see the votes before EOD. The waffle train struck gold for you and you have a great excuse! People will treat you like silverarte when vote analyzing. You casually wait a decent amount of time, 40 ish minutes sounds perfect! You rant and rage, show as much indignation as possible. You go off on LS and celestial mostly. Celestial is a fantastic target because he wasted his vote. LS already looks suspicious and voted for waffle. Plus LS looks bad for the last game you guys played together. Did you rant on tube? You should definitely rant on tube if you didn’t, I want to. You will look tomorrow to find a dumb towny who did make a decent vote and go on them (there was a lot of us. I honestly hate my own vote and I didn’t even vote waffle), which will divert attention from you as you look for a good nightkill.
Questions for you:
1. What were you doing around 6 central time? Eating Dinner? Working? I know you work strange hours sometimes. Your phone is better than mine so unless you were working I’m not sure what you were doing.
2. Why didn’t you switch your vote to shining at 4 your time? You like diversifying the votes so you can switch later. You would risk vote wasting, but you know if you put your mind to it you could have convinced some of us to follow suit.
3. You mentioned anger at TS, Celestial, and Shining for voting waffle. No tube? Silver has a good excuse, so I can see less indignation there.
4. If you had to pick 2 people on the waffle train that were mafia, who would they be? Let’s say you have to lynch one right now. Who is that?
Ok that was long… I’ll do the other ones tomorrow, its past my bedtime and I don’t want to be sick! O crap, more excuses. Sorry guys.
Cool story bro. I've taken the liberty of highlighting the only facts in your long narrative, as everything else is paranoid conjecture. Was tempted to ignore you entirely cause you're clearly already decided on scumreading me, but for everyone else interested in your questions: 1. Work hours are 9-6pm then I drive home in San Antonio rush hour traffic. No access to net at work nor my mobile while on the job. (You know all this JarJar, so coming from you that question just looks like a smear campaign. Bad form.) 2. I do not like vote wasting. 1 other vote on Shining while the people I was trying to convince were resistant...I kept my vote on the scummiest read (to me) actually being pushed at the time. 3. Okay? And? Tube wasn't in the thread like LS and Celeste were to question. He was super tunneled. What do you expect him to answer? 4. I'm not actually convinced that mafia was on the waffle train. Since he's town mafia wouldn't have to be unless they were pushing him instead of a mafia lynch. If Shining is mafia, I already said LS looks super scummy, because his switch could have gotten Shining lynched (only one other vote necessary). And he has in the past been very concerned about lynching blues, so I would think that a blue claim would carry more weight with him. Also, a word to he wise...there are probably not 5 scum in this game. If you are going to scumread every player on a town lynch, especially not knowing the alignments of the other trains, you'll probably run out of townreads very quickly. (Not everyone on that train "decided to vote a power role towny AFTER he claimed power role". Please keep you facts straight when making cases.)
You saw the votes right before the end? Why did you switch your vote? You bolded "you DO get to see the votes right before EOD". Why wouldn't you switch? You ranted about how bad a waffle vote was.
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Trfel voted for LS, switched to shining.
any thoughts?
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On January 08 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 09:19 jarjarbinks wrote:
You DO get to see the votes before EOD. You saw the votes right before the end? Why did you switch your vote? You bolded "you DO get to see the votes right before EOD". Why wouldn't you switch? You ranted about how bad a waffle vote was.
Kinda being a donkey here bro. Misquoting yourself now?
On January 07 2015 06:36 The_Templar wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial-
LightningStrike (3): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle
Gumdrop (0): Tubesock
TheWarWaffle (4): rsoultin, LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock
Tubesock (0): TheWarWaffle
ExO_ (1): Gumdrop
The Shining (1): Half the Sky
Not Voting (2): The Shining, jarjarbink
Currently, TheWarWaffle is set to be lynched. until deadline.
The votecount WHICH I SAW BEFORE EOD JUST AS BOLDED ABOVE when I was in the thread and Trfel was saying he didn't want to lynch Shining. Your turn to answer questions.
On January 07 2015 02:14 jarjarbinks wrote:
List of Scum:
#1: Shining
#2: Tube
#3: Silver
#4: Waffle
#5: LS
Did this list of reads change prior to the end of the vote? You don't even mention LS leading up to the lynch but now you're going on about it.
On January 07 2015 08:51 jarjarbinks wrote:
I don't know what to think about warwaffle. I'm guessing he's lying about the power role.
Its enough to keep my from voting for him though.
My vote is for the shining. And I already did It in the thread. Still suspicious enough to pick him in my top three and give another option to others who also were suspicious of him (sorry about the "she's" before)
Why wait so long to cast your vote? 9 minutes before the deadline? You were in and out of the thread throughout the day. You're clever enough to vote for Shining, force him to switch to the WW vote, and come out looking rosy because you didn't vote for the blue-claimed townie.[/QUOTE]
You responded about 2 hrs before EOD. Not just before EOD. Just before EOD would be like around 6 your time when you got off from work, which I talked about before In my original post. Phone not in the car when you got off work?
That was my list of reads before the votes. When I voted LS had 3 Votes (Shining was an LS vote). Shining had two. Waffle had four. Switching off waffle would be a good idea. I picked Shining over LS, but I regretted it because by doing that I caused Shining to switch to Waffle, hence ended much chance of switching off waffle. Honestly, LS was low on my list. Waffle claimed a power role. Am I missing something?
Good catch on me being in and out of the voting process. Snow day! I was home. Time to see me be a complete hypocrite about EOD stuff. Building a compy, which turned out to be very difficult! Tried to use my broken compy to stream youtube and get this website. Very frustrating, but I did finish the compy at about 11 ish at night. I would read something about the thread, then look for one of the random parts I threw around the kitchen that I needed. Then forget what part I needed then looked in the manual. I'd get confused, look back at the thread and repeat. at around EOD, I was upset everything was taking so long, and rather cynical about this thread. As time wore on, I switched youtube videos, and started trying to figure out why my compy (the one I was making) wouldn't turn on. I think I checked a few posts an hour before EOD thinking that was EOD and worried I hadn't voted yet. Turned out I was an hour off, so I didn't worry about it. About 45 minutes ish later I saw I was late, read less than what I should have. Confused about lack of votes. Saw there was another thread. Looked at the votes. Picked Shining for reasons I already talked about. Went back to hitting my head against the wall and trying to find random manuals. Finally got somewhere. Saw warwaffle die and angry posts. Saw you saying I needed to step it up. Ranted to myself with much more cynicism. Figured I'd try to make "scumreads" on the killers. Wrote yours. Realized it was 2. Tried to go to sleep and couldn't.
I liked my post on you! Sure there isn't much facts, but there's enough for me to see the transitions working if you were mafia. When I saw you bolded my phrase "saw the votes right before EOD" I was happy. To me that's a slip up. You saw them 2 hrs before, which I alluded to a few sentences before that post, so in my mind it is clear that my phrase there was referring to very close to EOD, like around when I voted.
I don't look rosy.
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Also sis, I thought tube was in the thread quite often.
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On January 07 2015 23:19 Silverarte wrote:
I know JarJar's questions aren't directed at me (and I'm reading them as specifically at Rsoultin right now) but I felt I should answer them, particularly with the schedule in my world seeming to be a problem-ish. So I'm going to quickly answer at least number 1 before I run out the door.
6 central time is 5pm for me, the exact time I'm getting off (if I am lucky). I have a 20 minute to hour long commute (traffic, weather, so on) and immediately come home to trying to eat dinner, settling my household down and helping with sick people (who so lovingly gave me their cold xD). I have to be at work at 8:30 am, but again with that commute. ( Generally leave at 7:30 my time for work)
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@Ls Glad you're back and she's ok! <3 LS, what makes you so suspicious of Shining? In your mind, who is the biggest candidate to lynch right now and why? I know Shining is on your radar, but what makes Shining more important than say...Gumdrop?
I believed your missing EOD story more than my sis's because my sis's work schedule has changed often. That's unlucky about your start time, might hurt us consistently if you aren't available to check before voting time. But what can you do, gotta pay the bills.
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Silverarte’s turn! A kill equals a scumread in my book for now, since I only have 1 set of datapoints to go on. I’m sure I’ll get there eventually but I want to talk about your behavior in the thread first. I would call it a good newbie mix. Don’t post a lot of stuff. Defend yourself when the inactive haters come knocking. Post a list thread like everyone else (including me, I liked yours better!) My worry with you was already mentioned before, and was probably garbage/BS considering it was my reads + day 1. I have already been deemed “the scummiest town” Celestial has ever seen, which in my book equals “worst player” he has ever seen. I expect you will answer my questions and move on from this post while reading up on others.
On to the Scumread, or my attempts of one. I have no stories. No long drawn out story seems believable to me. Based on your posting so far, if I had to guess what you would be like, it would be the silent mafia people generally like. You don’t get much attention, you make claims like everyone else. In the end you will say surprise! Waffle was an easy vote for you, it was logical and you knew he was town. If someone asks you that in the end and you are mafia, I’m pretty sure that is the exact answer you would give.
If you are mafia I’m worried because the only attachment you sort of have is to Rsoultin. And its definitely defendable. I wouldn’t even call her out for if you were mafia, because I would have done the same thing if I were in your shoes if I was both mafia and town.
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On January 08 2015 11:04 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 10:41 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 08 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:On January 08 2015 09:19 jarjarbinks wrote:
You DO get to see the votes before EOD. You saw the votes right before the end? Why did you switch your vote? You bolded "you DO get to see the votes right before EOD". Why wouldn't you switch? You ranted about how bad a waffle vote was. Kinda being a donkey here bro. Misquoting yourself now? On January 07 2015 06:36 The_Templar wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial-
LightningStrike (3): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle
Gumdrop (0): Tubesock
TheWarWaffle (4): rsoultin, LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock
Tubesock (0): TheWarWaffle
ExO_ (1): Gumdrop
The Shining (1): Half the Sky
Not Voting (2): The Shining, jarjarbink
Currently, TheWarWaffle is set to be lynched. until deadline. The votecount WHICH I SAW BEFORE EOD JUST AS BOLDED ABOVE when I was in the thread and Trfel was saying he didn't want to lynch Shining. Your turn to answer questions. On January 07 2015 02:14 jarjarbinks wrote:
List of Scum:
#1: Shining
#2: Tube
#3: Silver
#4: Waffle
#5: LS Did this list of reads change prior to the end of the vote? You don't even mention LS leading up to the lynch but now you're going on about it. On January 07 2015 08:51 jarjarbinks wrote:
I don't know what to think about warwaffle. I'm guessing he's lying about the power role.
Its enough to keep my from voting for him though.
My vote is for the shining. And I already did It in the thread. Still suspicious enough to pick him in my top three and give another option to others who also were suspicious of him (sorry about the "she's" before) Why wait so long to cast your vote? 9 minutes before the deadline? You were in and out of the thread throughout the day. You're clever enough to vote for Shining, force him to switch to the WW vote, and come out looking rosy because you didn't vote for the blue-claimed townie. You responded about 2 hrs before EOD. Not just before EOD. Just before EOD would be like around 6 your time when you got off from work, which I talked about before In my original post. Phone not in the car when you got off work? That was my list of reads before the votes. When I voted LS had 3 Votes (Shining was an LS vote). Shining had two. Waffle had four. Switching off waffle would be a good idea. I picked Shining over LS, but I regretted it because by doing that I caused Shining to switch to Waffle, hence ended much chance of switching off waffle. Honestly, LS was low on my list. Waffle claimed a power role. Am I missing something? Good catch on me being in and out of the voting process. Snow day! I was home. Time to see me be a complete hypocrite about EOD stuff. Building a compy, which turned out to be very difficult! Tried to use my broken compy to stream youtube and get this website. Very frustrating, but I did finish the compy at about 11 ish at night. I would read something about the thread, then look for one of the random parts I threw around the kitchen that I needed. Then forget what part I needed then looked in the manual. I'd get confused, look back at the thread and repeat. at around EOD, I was upset everything was taking so long, and rather cynical about this thread. As time wore on, I switched youtube videos, and started trying to figure out why my compy (the one I was making) wouldn't turn on. I think I checked a few posts an hour before EOD thinking that was EOD and worried I hadn't voted yet. Turned out I was an hour off, so I didn't worry about it. About 45 minutes ish later I saw I was late, read less than what I should have. Confused about lack of votes. Saw there was another thread. Looked at the votes. Picked Shining for reasons I already talked about. Went back to hitting my head against the wall and trying to find random manuals. Finally got somewhere. Saw warwaffle die and angry posts. Saw you saying I needed to step it up. Ranted to myself with much more cynicism. Figured I'd try to make "scumreads" on the killers. Wrote yours. Realized it was 2. Tried to go to sleep and couldn't. I liked my post on you! Sure there isn't much facts, but there's enough for me to see the transitions working if you were mafia. When I saw you bolded my phrase "saw the votes right before EOD" I was happy. To me that's a slip up. You saw them 2 hrs before, which I alluded to a few sentences before that post, so in my mind it is clear that my phrase there was referring to very close to EOD, like around when I voted. I don't look rosy.
...yeeeeah. Cause I'm going to go ahead and bold things to make it easy for you. Bud, I was highlighting the facts. Seeing the vote count before EOD was a fact. You had maybe 5% of that post that wasn't a story you concocted to fit you presupposition that I am scum. I can do that, too. For everyone. Clutter up the thread with BS for each and every player: why SO and SO could be scum from the mind of Rsoultin, now I'm going to write you a story. That's why it is called paranoia.
What I don't get, JarJar, is this moaning about how you should have voted LS unless your reads changed and you just didn't mention it. Shining was your top scumread at the beginning of the day. You can say you were at home all day building your computer and that's why you didn't have time to vote earlier, but that's kinda weird, don't you think? Home all day. Can't vote. Huh.
Why are you being an ass? Seriously. Of the two of us I'm more likely to be an ass than you, Lt. Chuckles. Wiseass, sure, but pure ass? Lol. Were you ever going to make your promised rage!cases (you raging makes my mind boggle) at anyone else? Or was that all a smokescreen?
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On the LS thing. I'm not going to say the same thing 3 times. I can't find a way to rephrase. I hope my suspicions aren't all clutter BS later. I hope someone thinks of something I said. That would be nice. If this all everyone thinks of my posting on these then I can stop. Saves everyone time, and I can keep my random guesses to myself.
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On January 08 2015 11:17 rsoultin wrote:Also, because I realize that I did not answer your question in all of that: Yes, my phone was in my car. It was off or it would be dead. I turned it on, turned my car on, and then obeyed that nasty thing called the law and didn't touch my phone while driving.  Regardless, it was after six, so it wouldn't have mattered if I waited for it to come on and spent time sitting in the parking lot catching up on the thread, now would it? Do I need to give people a play-by-play of my day? Does anyone care apart from JarJar since you can't verify it anyway?
Your right. I'll stop. You win.
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compy doesn't have Microsoft on it. I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not.
i'll do it later if u actually want to. I'm going to go pout and workout at the same time.
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On January 08 2015 11:29 rsoultin wrote: Think about those cases you don't have long and hard while you do. Also, I can tell because your typing is cleaner now than when you were on your phone, bro. Really, it's not rocket science. Mine is also cleaner when I'm not on mobile.
ya I have no cases. using broken compy still. you're right.
Voting for LS, suspicious of Shining and Tube. Basic voting analysis of day 1 votes and night kill. No stories. I tried to have an argument. It was bad.
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Trfel voted LS shifted to shining
Waffle voted tube shifted to LS
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To HTS on Shining
Can't find the quote to back me up on this...Shining said something I really liked, right before I voted for him ironically. I swear I'm super good at this game lolz. Then he changed his vote to Waffle and I facepalmed. I still blame myself for that. I think Shining blamed me too later. Apologies.
That saying as people have said before I could see a smear campaign on Shining. I see him as an easy target, but not as stupid easy as say me, based on how things played out.
As for the "meta read". His defense against it was pure solid. I liked it. It'll be interesting to see if he's just really good at convincing me of things or if it was wrong of me to think he was scum in the first place.
Despite that, trfel voted for him and he's 100% dead by mafia.
So if there's multiple lynchtrains and shining is one of them, I could be persuaded to vote for him if the other guys haven't shown bad tendencies. The top three for me as of now are LS, tube, then shining.
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To HTS on LS
I honestly sympathized with LS on day 1. It seemed like people were being overaggressive with him. I wanted to focus my suspicions elsewhere since it seemed he was definitely some peoples #1 scummer. So what if he couldn't overanalyze other people and have a decent original scumread? Neither did I, gum, waffle, or silver. What did the scumreads give us day 1? A lot of anger and a dead veteran. Granted you can go back later and look at day 1 posts, but still.
That being said, both trfel and waffle voted TS at some point and they are both dead. Were their reasons purely because they were suspicious of TS? nope. but in my mind its better than what else we have right now.
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