EPTI'll do my best, but I'll probably be back closer to the lynch deadline.
Good luck to all!
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I'll do my best, but I'll probably be back closer to the lynch deadline. Good luck to all! | ||
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On January 05 2015 14:50 Tubesock wrote: Hi! Did that really help you? The more and more I'm reading guides and whatnot the less confident I become in Day 1. Not only that but the fact in the database town lynches town 75% of the time. Ouch. It's sad, but we still have to do a Day 1 lynch. It just doesn't make sense not to do it. So far, all of the posts I have wanted to make are just white knighting. And at this point in the game, that just kills discussion. So I guess I'll just wait. Maybe if I come up with something useful to say, I can say it in an hour or so, but I'll see. Feel free to pick this post apart, I don't mind. | ||
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On January 05 2015 22:21 Gumdrop wrote: I apologize for not being here sooner, I had no idea what to post. So... Hi. I am looking through the first posts, but is it realistic to use them to figure out who is scumy and who is not? This feels like Sudoku without any starting numbers. Hi Gumdrop, nice to meet you. It isn't realistic to figure out definitively (or anywhere near conclusively) who is scum and who is not using the first few pages, but you can still decide who you feel is leaning town and who is leaning scum. For example, right now, you are leaning scum for providing a single post with absolutely zero content. That is okay though, especially since this is a newbie game, and will be very easily forgiven if you do basically anything else. Give me a bit to respond to the thread so far, hopefully I can do a passable job to show how to post early in the game? (doubt it, I'm terrible at the start of the game haha) | ||
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LightningStrike, you should probably get a "how to find scum" guide. It's pretty useful for finding scum. I basically give a towncredit for anyone who has made a post that shows that they are reading the game up to this point. It won't necessarily last very long, but doing something is good. Unfortunately, I wouldn't read too much into the Mafia XXX thread. Ver's analysis, while good, covered mostly meta cases. Especially in newbie games, it seems that gameplay alone is perhaps a more effective way to find scum, and at least it is more accepted. None of us have very well known meta here. I am fine to use meta to help defend someone, but in a newbie game in particular, it is very hard to use meta to incriminate someone. I've tried and failed there before. @Warwaffle, I believe that "us" is generally accepted to mean the people in the thread, though that can probably be shortened to only the town-aligned players, since the mafia won't care. I'll give jarjar a break for now... but in exchange for that break he will hopefully prove himself town quickly once he returns. Not going to state a deadline right now, but I have a tentative one in my mind. Still, jarjar, I hope you recover quickly, being sick is not fun at all. In general, this game got off to a slow start. I suppose if people don't start posting more, I'll have to attempt to encourage more posting. I have a plane to catch, but there's my thoughts on the thread to this point. | ||
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BTW I am here and am doing a careful rereading of the thread. I will post my thoughts and my vote when I am done, with explanations of course. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:12 LightningStrike wrote: I'm Vanilla Town this game I wish I was a Cop to redeem myself from Campus Mafia  Why are you claiming? Don't make it easier for the mafia to kill power roles. You should know better than that. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:41 ExO_ wrote: And what do you think about everybody else? I know you said you were going to be busy on day 1, but them majority of your filter is pre-game banter. So I'd like to get your thoughts on where players stand, before the lynch deadline. I don't really like list posts. I could give one, but I see no reason to do so. Instead, I will just share my thoughts, when I finish reading. Sorry, I read really, really, really darn slowly. | ||
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Also, I really don't like -Celestial-'s opening post. Most of the points made feel wrong to me. I don't scumread him for it, but I am rather surprised by the amount of other people who agreed with it. | ||
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Shining has very few posts. Easy to go through all of them. Post 1 (counting from the start of the game) is completely useless. Post 2 is terrible. But there is absolutely no chance that this would actually stop rsoultin from asking questions. I don't see what mafia!The Shining could possibly hope to gain from it. Seems like he is misinterpreting your questioning as much heavier pressure than it actually is. Post 3 is not that much better. The Shining says that Half the Sky is looking scummy, and that makes rsoultin look towny. Makes no sense. Still, in Post 4, he seemingly takes back the suspicion on Half the Sky once his point is adequately answered. Post 4 is an OMGUS on ExO_. And more of an attack for changing reads quickly. As recently stated by someone, OMGUS is often done by townies, too. So I look more at the reasoning to the push, which is misinterpreting the force behind ExO_'s pressure and questioning. So if you assume that he misinterpreted people's pressure as attacks, then there really isn't much more than a policy lynch left. Thoughts? | ||
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The bandwagon on TheWarWaffle feels like a policy lynch. The read on Half the Sky is extremely weak, but others have done the same thing. Still, I like the fact that he is analyzing wording and constructing an argument, even if I disagree with said argument. He only really has two posts in the game. The second one is a big list post. I disagree with several of the reads, but nothing jumps out at me a ton. Therefore, there isn't much to work with at all on this case. I don't really see why this makes TheWarWaffle scum, except for the lack of posting. | ||
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So I suppose that I prefer a lynch on The Shining over the other two, since The Shining has been reasonably inactive, despite constantly saying he will play more. I like some of the points rsoultin brought up (primarily the constant references to posting more soon... I get it the first time, or the second time, but now it seems like stalling to try and avoid getting lynched... kind of mad that I didn't notice that for myself). The other reason to vote The Shining is to sheep Half the Sky and rsoultin. From my experience, both are very good players, and they think that The Shining is mafia. They have also kept up with the thread better than I have. I realize that the timing of this vote switch seems really bad. I am still suspicious of LightningStrike, and am perfectly fine to explain why I voted for him in the first place. The primary explanation is that I wanted somewhere to place my vote, in case something happened and I didn't end up moving it by the deadline (I know that I am town, so I will take a ~25% chance of lynching scum over a 100% chance of a town!Trfel being modkilled, and a vote is easy to move). The reason I voted for LightningStrike is because he asked a lot of generic questions ("Hey you, what are your reads, with explanations please"). I don't remember him doing much questioning in the past, but I could be wrong. Still, asking primarily generic questions makes it seem even more like he is trying to appear useful while really doing nothing. In addition, he likes to use pretty fast meta reads, and didn't provide reads on any of the people he has played with before for quite some time. I feel that it was longer than I am used to. Anyway, those are my thoughts at the moment. I'm switching votes to The Shining. Meanwhile, I will start looking into other lynch options (open to suggestions), and will be waiting for feedback and pushes. | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:10 Tubesock wrote: I'll ask you again. Did you read my case? again the tldr version: I don't mind you disagreeing but at least let me know you've seen it. I have in fact read it, and it is what I'm working on at the moment. I haven't concluded anything yet. | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:25 TheWarWaffle wrote: No computer, 12% battery on IPhone. 2 hours until I am most likely lynched... Time for a desperate measure. I am town and possess a power role. I appear to have made a fool of myself through my and am unable to defend myself adequately at this time. All I can say is I'm not mafia and that there are better people to lynch. Please find a charging station and charge your phone or something, if at all possible. A claim like that isn't going to help with anything. | ||
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Wrong and mafia are different things. I disagree with many of TheWarWaffle's reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. I find it hard to see how he got some of those reads, but that doesn't make him mafia. To me, it looks like he is searching for mafia, albeit poorly and infrequently. That makes me a bit hesitant to lynch him. Tubesock, I find the last part of your case too hard to read (with the numbers in the quote). Try as I might, I can't understand what you are trying to say there. TheWarWaffle could easily have misinterpreted a few things and that caused those reads. For example, the Silverarte vote. OMGUS isn't necessarily scum. A lot of people do it. In fact, I believe that Tubesock is guilty of it right here. TheWarWaffle labels Tubesock top scum, Tubesock responds with a case on TheWarWaffle. Making controversial reads like scumreading rsoultin and Tubesock is not a great way to avert attention. And finally, to ExO_. I already stated that I read Tubesock's post, and that I was looking into TheWarWaffle. Tubesock's post includes TheWarWaffle's list post. If you would really rather me post random thoughts before they contain any substance, that would be rather strange. I see no need to make an extra post acknowledging someone who tells me to do something I have clearly already done and wants me to share thoughts on what I already said I was going to share my thoughts on. | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:44 ExO_ wrote: Except you hadn't "clearly already done" anything. You posted that before you answered. You've since answered, and that's all I wanted. On January 07 2015 07:12 Trfel wrote: I have in fact read it, and it is what I'm working on at the moment. I haven't concluded anything yet. Yes, I responded to TheWarWaffle's post before I responded to you and Tubesock. That is called tabbed browsing. I was working on a second post in the meantime. Meanwhile, this is me responding to the current thread in one tab while reading Tubesock's filter in another. | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:45 Tubesock wrote: What I was trying to point out that on his town reads the reasonings were the same as he lists for his scum reads. The Shining is townread with drastic change in his posting style. Yet, he says when I am "coming out of his shell was him realizing that he could take advantage of it." Am I mistaken in thinking that those are pretty similiar reasons but one is town read but the other isn't? He does the same for Rsoultin and Silverarte his only real scum reads outside of me. Rsoultin sprays scum reads and gets scummed for it. ExO does it and leaves for a long time but it's ok. The difference is Rsoultin pressured, and in several instances WarWaffle towns lurking players. I don't know if I have the biggest filter, but I'm sure it's up there, I was under the impression that mafia don't want to lead in post count. Mafia doesn't mind leading in post count. Post count is basically meaningless. What really matters is the amount of content. Mafia generally wants to produce as little actual content as possible, while town wants to produce as much content as possible. Note that mafia can still produce a ton of good content at times, see Holyflare's mafia play from the recent Carol of the Bells mafia game for an example. I do understand what you are saying, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum either. Sorry to reference the Carol of the Bells game again, but I remember that batsnacks scumread Half the Sky for something, but townread Vivax for doing the same thing. Batsnacks was town. Here, it is more easily explainable. Rsoultin and ExO aren't spraying scumreads, they are merely questioning. Changing playstyle mid-game can be done in a variety of ways, and the way it is done is more alignment indicative, while merely the fact that it happened says nothing. I agree that TheWarWaffle looks bad, there is no denying that. But I am not as confident as I would like to be that TheWarWaffle is mafia. | ||
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On January 07 2015 07:56 Tubesock wrote: Okt, can you explain why LightningStrike is scummier? No, I guess I think that TheWarWaffle is probably a bit scummier than LightningStrike. At least LightningStrike has shown activity. On January 07 2015 07:57 Tubesock wrote: I'm also assuming you are building a case on me right? No, I'm reading your filter and trying to decide if you are town or scum. There is a big difference. | ||
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