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I goofed this time reading bats.
I stand by the reasoning I used and I still think it was valid. And I think that this looked closer to his scum game than his town game.
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Good morning, firstly I really hate being scum read for not being here not doing stuff during certain points of the day on a holiday while the same people give free passes to other people who were not here doing stuff. I know what I did ended up wrong but I went with my gut because I wasn't feeling the lynches and just feel like i'm being discredited now.
Honestly I think that a game that JAT linked I believe (FFL2) has a hidden gem in it that had little to do with batsnacks, but with superbia instead. Superbia is scum in that game and barely posts at all if you compare it to almost any town game super is so much more posty and as scum usually just posts minimual and afks the vote somewhere. This is a good place to find scum.
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Actually yesterday I just looked at bats in that game because I thought I had a good read on him. When I woke up this morning I went about catching up and filter diving a little and super is reminded me a bit of when he was scum in ffl2. The town game I looked at was his newbie game, I know he has a normal game as well that was played lately where he posted more but I have to find it to make sure the trend stands.
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On the same hand super did have a 11 page game as scum in yamatos game over 4 cycles. But 9 over 2 in the town game so I need to find other games to look at the post number breakdown
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Ok i've went over the games of superbia, the two newbie games, fanfic and two mafia games ffl2 and 2p2. (And ate some yummy chinese)
My initial premise is incorrect when I go over the other games.
After some consideration I decided to throw out ffl2 for a couple of reasons, it was not normal for superbia in the sense that he replaced in during the night phase of d1 after batsnacks had gotten lynched for being unrememberable and a few other things (bats was scum here) and had a good many pages to catch up on. Rayn got killed during the night and robik and myself got mod killed (I was mafia) so super really did not have time to spam up the game in any way.
In the newbie games and fanfic it was about the same length, mostly consisting on one liners and some insightful thoughts. Usually came out to 3 pages or so a day besides the 2nd newbie where he averaged 4 pages or so. Which is right in line with his town play but always put his thoughs out their from what i read.
I did notice that even in the game i think isn't good for analysis amount of posts that super likes to bus a bit and make list posts that generally are scum reading all the team mates so if we lynch superbia at any point and he flips scum ritoky is a good place to look, but now isn't the time for associative reads.
The other thing was that besides ffl2 the posting was about on the same pace as the town games but mostly going with the flow.
Soon as super starts posting more I can determine better but I haven't seen in any games super play the lurky role.
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I'm going to work on SL next I think while I have time. I probably won't comb through all of his games but will just look at this one since theirs more evidence. And yea I know JAT bu Koshi and I had a couple of words about it earlier and I went on and did the leg work for looking at all the games/filters.
But yea, JAT is never getting lynched. He was the only person during the bats lynch that was getting cold feet in any way, he even mentioned it several times I think it was how people were coming from everywhere to vote bats. Bats play this game was really different from his town games lately I made a post about why I think it resembled his scum game and it really does. And at the end he wasn't really plaing he was dodging questions and all.
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On January 03 2015 03:30 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:18 Damdred wrote:
Ok i've went over the games of superbia, the two newbie games, fanfic and two mafia games ffl2 and 2p2. (And ate some yummy chinese)
My initial premise is incorrect when I go over the other games.
After some consideration I decided to throw out ffl2 for a couple of reasons, it was not normal for superbia in the sense that he replaced in during the night phase of d1 after batsnacks had gotten lynched for being unrememberable and a few other things (bats was scum here) and had a good many pages to catch up on. Rayn got killed during the night and robik and myself got mod killed (I was mafia) so super really did not have time to spam up the game in any way.
In the newbie games and fanfic it was about the same length, mostly consisting on one liners and some insightful thoughts. Usually came out to 3 pages or so a day besides the 2nd newbie where he averaged 4 pages or so. Which is right in line with his town play but always put his thoughs out their from what i read.
I did notice that even in the game i think isn't good for analysis amount of posts that super likes to bus a bit and make list posts that generally are scum reading all the team mates so if we lynch superbia at any point and he flips scum ritoky is a good place to look, but now isn't the time for associative reads.
The other thing was that besides ffl2 the posting was about on the same pace as the town games but mostly going with the flow.
Soon as super starts posting more I can determine better but I haven't seen in any games super play the lurky role. right... so whats the point? dam who are the scum who voted on bats
The point is that, I told Koshi (as I said before) that I was goin to check out superbias past games and try to find if this sort of lurking and sticking votes is alignment indicative because of a past experience I had in ffl2. And I posted the results I found and I was wrong.
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik
These are the people who voted bats. I think that SL, Robik had the least amount of reasons to jump on bats. Some of the reasons that they posted were that they were sheeping basically.
Eden and myself look the worst because we told everyone who was thinking about jumping to sit and wait for the flip.
SL I think would be the scum there especially since he was the hammer vote I believe and even though he stated he wanted to hammer geript he didn't do it then sounded pretty smug after the flip.
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And DrH looks really weird to me after looking at the filter around that time, thinks geript and chy is the best lynch doesn't think anyone should move during the last hour. Then moves to batsnacks when he could of hammered one of his top two scum reads? And then pushes the blame onto someone else
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On January 03 2015 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred from the looks of the wagons, it didn't look like either of geript or Chyz would have made it over the line even with Doc's vote. What do you mean "he could have hammered one of his top two scumreads"?
ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia
TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]
DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshi
geript (6): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, [s]sicklucker[s/], [s]Eden1892[s/], batsnacks
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, Batsnacks
IAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (2): Koshi, geript
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik
Take off Docs vote or SL vote and both hammer geript
and doc right afterwards says hes still goin to tunnel x
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On January 03 2015 04:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I hit the panic button, bats looks really bad to me all of a sudden so recency bias i guess.
I'm not sure if i'm buying this exactly, you spent all day yelling about chy and geript basically as a scum team less of the day about geript obviously and you were about to get what you wanted and geript dead and switched to bats?
I don't take you for a panic button presser
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On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum?
I've never played with Dr. H before so I really can't comment on what he would do, however i've seen good scum players get 30 pages+of filters in game. And dr h spent the whole day tunneling one person and almost all of his posts are about that one person and geript then he switched and pushed dirt on people and took none of the blame himself and claims he panic'd.
It just leaves me suspicious of him.
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Heres the issue i'm having, I am combing through DR. H filter now and it is really wordy. I'm not doing it now but I probably should if you take out the massive posts about chy, i'm pretty sure the filter looks a lot smaller and less wordy. Besides that Dr. H does throw some suspicion on batsnack and i did a small count and he talks about him or mentions his name 10-20 times total.
usually this is a one liner that hes on a scum team with geript and chy or that he gives him the heebees along with koshi, artanis palmar etc.,
On January 02 2015 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks? I think batsnacks is scum. I hate all of his posts but i didnt want to lose on chyz for a while. I know you're not asking me but id be glad to discuss batsnacks as scum since chyz and geript are practically locked for me
This is the first time he calls bats scum, and goes on to elaborate in the same space
On January 02 2015 04:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:What jumped out to me about snacks at first is this: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:02 batsnacks wrote:Has anyone played with DrH before? Is this normal? I feel like I would be more likely to vote TheChyz if DrH wasn't pushing him. The thread is about 30 pages long. DrH has about about a 5 page filter, of which ~90% of his filter is tunneling TheChyz. So ~16% of the game is DrH tunneling TheChyz. First, I think that's way too much focus on a single person in a 20 person game. DrH is the only person voting TheChyz, and I haven't heard anyone say "I agree with your case DrH," so he's obviously not reaching people. Second, this post is really townie imo: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
So I think my conclusion would be that DrH's tunnel is not helping town. First off I feel very uncomfortable when people suggest lynching for other reasons than believing in the read. I also feel uncomfortable when people talk about a vote like they think of it as leverage or something. He picked out a post that eden had already thought made chyz seem town. I see no reason why a scum player would have a problem saying they changed their mind about a player who defended them. He wasn't under any real pressure and it's not like Koshi was gonna save him or anything lol. The thread already had major heat on Koshi at the time too.
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On January 02 2015 04:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:plus this: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the tahread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? if he got town points from eden he got town points from you for the same thing seeing as you both liked thechyz as town for the same reason. but you never really gave your reason why you thought that post made him town in the first place, just parroting eden. if he got town points from you that would imply you genuinely believed it was a town-indicative post so why would that be suspicious in the first place? wouldn't the more natural conclusion be that thechyz was just trying to ape the town sentiment anyway? that's not really the same thing, this is a really awkward and conspiratorial argument
Not really sure i this is actually a scum read to me. Also he asks marv a question but never follows up on it from what I can see in his filter (i don't know if marv actually answered it or not) but dr. h never followed it up.
Several times he talks to bats and unlike how he talks to his other scum reads its almost as if he knows hes talking to town rather than trying to find out bats alignment.
And then finally when you get to the switch we go from. We shouldn't switch in the last hour, geript and chy should be the lynch to basically yolo batsnacks. To afterwards i'm still going to tunnel on X and its all hese other peoples fault not my own for doing this.
I really struggle to see how scum doesn't do this.
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On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.
That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ.
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On January 03 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Damdred I don't get it. There are several people on batsnacks who didn't really mention him earlier and you are going after Dr. H who like you just showed did?
Cause something caught my eye in his filter, and all his shouting and what not earlier in the day just seems off now to me when he came off so fast on his top scums.
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On January 03 2015 04:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What is my scum motivation for coming off geript? I'd like to kill him.on day 2, i was joking about thechyz earlier -_-
To keep a suicidal geript around d2 or longer to get another mislynch in if hes town? Or if you are scum together to save a scum buddy?
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On January 03 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Damdred I don't get it. There are several people on batsnacks who didn't really mention him earlier and you are going after Dr. H who like you just showed did?
and VE asked me a question about what i meant and it got me looking at dr h filter a bit
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On January 03 2015 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ. I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second.
I won't argue with you that JAT is probably town here. and it is a good post.
So tell me what you think about what i wrote.
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On January 03 2015 04:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:43 IAmRobik wrote:On January 03 2015 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ. I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second. So I partially agree and partially disagree with this. I do not think that GERIPT and JAT are scum together. I even stated so towards end of day. That's why I didn't feel so bad sheepish jat onto bats. However I do think that JAT can make a case on bats and switch a lynxh off of geript onto bat for town cred. Basically to get you to clear him for what you're clearing him. "If I was mafia, why would I switch from one town to another town that I've been pushing all game". That's basically what I did on a 2p2 game with Yamato a couple months ago. He could be town. I'm just saying why this isn't 100% correct Sure, it's possible, but the JAT I'm accustomed to is reactive. This was very proactive where it really wasn't necessary. He's been pretty much a universal townread for the town. Buying even more cred could actually be harmful to him later in the game as people will question why he's still alive. Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:44 Damdred wrote:On January 03 2015 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ. I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second. I won't argue with you that JAT is probably town here. and it is a good post. So tell me what you think about what i wrote. You mentioned how without the Chyz stuff his filter would look a lot less wordy, but that seems like a poor argument. He did make those posts and the amount of effort he's put into the game whilst never appearing disgenuine to me makes it so unlikely for him to be scum imo. That he went back on his word for not going for last minute shenanigans is worrisome, but in a completely different league compared to the arguments supporting a town Dr.H.
Maybe I should drop it for now and work on someone else, i'd like other peoples opinions obviously.
However, everyone says he put so much work into the chy stuff when he showed one game that was somewhat different made two different cases and spammed the thread with the same stuff over and over again i'm not exactly sure how thats putting in maximum effort for the good of the town?
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On January 03 2015 06:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 06:10 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 06:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 06:04 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote:On January 03 2015 05:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Do you want to move on and lynch geript tomorrow Palmar or have you done enough of convincing us that you're awesome I'm not awesome. I'm just explaining that the people who lynched batsnacks are terrible. So reading through the lynch. I had a scum read on bats, a few others did. Then JAT was like "lets lynch bats" then random fuckwads came out the woodwork and lynched bats for bad reasons/no reasons/ every thing he said reason (eden) So if i'm JAT in that position I would be like fuck this and go back to geript. assuming JAT is good. JAT you even said something like "why are you people here now" or "this feels bad" just explain why the alarm bells didn't go off and make you switch. As you can see by the things you quote in this very posts the alarm bells DID go off. But people arriving at deadline aren't necessarily scum and I just wasn't sure if geript was the better lynch since he acted so defeated and I had a difficult time seeing him be like that as mafia. yeh what I meant was why didnt you switch when the alarm bells went off. I'm not sure I buy your explanation Like dam,eden and SL's reasons are all awful and they are at the deadline with bad reasons....I just think you are a better player than that and the last second awful ninja vote doesn't make you switch? Explain the mafia motivation behind the last second awful ninja vote. geript is mafia That's not an answer. ok geript is mafia vigi and mafia need to preserve KP so they jump on bats to ensure geript doesn't die. That could be a reason. 3 people who have done nothing towny at all ( and SL who I have shown has played pretty scummy) come out with bad reasons to jump on a wagon and lynch town.
They weren't so horrible when you were saying some of the same things earlier about how batsnacks was off but now you are coming in raising hell about how our reasons were shit?
I generally have a good track record with bats and he was playing really really similarly to how he played in ffl2 to me and neat and tidy mafia. I gave my reasons sure now that hes flipped it sucks but he wasn't htat bad a lynch and why you are throwing dirt on people who lynched one of your scum reads idk.
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On January 03 2015 06:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:On January 03 2015 06:12 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 06:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 06:10 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 06:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 06:04 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote:
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I'm not awesome.
I'm just explaining that the people who lynched batsnacks are terrible. So reading through the lynch. I had a scum read on bats, a few others did. Then JAT was like "lets lynch bats" then random fuckwads came out the woodwork and lynched bats for bad reasons/no reasons/ every thing he said reason (eden) So if i'm JAT in that position I would be like fuck this and go back to geript. assuming JAT is good. JAT you even said something like "why are you people here now" or "this feels bad" just explain why the alarm bells didn't go off and make you switch. As you can see by the things you quote in this very posts the alarm bells DID go off. But people arriving at deadline aren't necessarily scum and I just wasn't sure if geript was the better lynch since he acted so defeated and I had a difficult time seeing him be like that as mafia. yeh what I meant was why didnt you switch when the alarm bells went off. I'm not sure I buy your explanation Like dam,eden and SL's reasons are all awful and they are at the deadline with bad reasons....I just think you are a better player than that and the last second awful ninja vote doesn't make you switch? Explain the mafia motivation behind the last second awful ninja vote. geript is mafia That's not an answer. ok geript is mafia vigi and mafia need to preserve KP so they jump on bats to ensure geript doesn't die. That could be a reason. 3 people who have done nothing towny at all ( and SL who I have shown has played pretty scummy) come out with bad reasons to jump on a wagon and lynch town. They weren't so horrible when you were saying some of the same things earlier about how batsnacks was off but now you are coming in raising hell about how our reasons were shit? I generally have a good track record with bats and he was playing really really similarly to how he played in ffl2 to me and neat and tidy mafia. I gave my reasons sure now that hes flipped it sucks but he wasn't htat bad a lynch and why you are throwing dirt on people who lynched one of your scum reads idk. your read is just he played different in some other game. You basically did nothing else but just jumped on that last minute. why didn't you post this great read you had before. I think my read was more developed and delivered way before deadline time.
Its hard to post things when you aren't here firstly, when I was here I did post things and interact.
I arrived back to the game around 2:30 hours before lynch roughly, caught up with the game as I said I didn't like Chys lynch as I don't think mafia would do that. Then something about geripts last second town read and scum read and was seemingly trying to do a couple of things and ask questions so no i doubted that.
Honestly I completely forgot almost that Bats was even in the game before he was mentioned and then I read his filter and his game looks like his scum game. You can piss and moan all you want but go look why we lynched him in ffl2 or look at neat and tidy it looks really close to here.
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