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On January 01 2015 02:47 Eden1892 wrote:
Also I think it should be noted that Chyz wasn't actually trying to stop the argument in question. It had already died down and basically run its course by the time Chyz entered from my recollection. I'll go pull the exact sequence and see if that recollection is right, and then demonstrate how if it is.
Yes and ritoky even stated he was done explicitly before that post went up just like you made a case and a vote before he called you wishy washy and non aggressive and has refused to push his own reads still.
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On January 01 2015 02:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 02:46 marvellosity wrote:On January 01 2015 01:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Chyz you are literally OMGUSing every new guy that calls you scum aren't you? tbh it's a wonderful style It is basically your style. why do you think i said it's wonderful
Because it is your style.
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On January 01 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 01:53 Damdred wrote:
Good morning my friends, i'll be haphazardly here all day. Sadly I have to work tonight and its one of the busiest days of the year haha. So lets get to it
The ritoky and Dr. H fight wasn't as pointless as people think. It left a very distinct taste in my mouth about both of their alignments.
In carol (Ritokys most recent mafia game) I caught ritoky for being super passive, with no follow up and no real push early on to speak of and only when confronted with this information he would passively give a wall of text to explain away what he was doing. You can look at Season of a witch I believe and see the same thing in his scum game. So i'm leaning more town on ritoky due to the fact that he said someone was acting scummy and went after said person instead of dropping it, he had really good follow up at this point even if the avenue he went down was really a different approach than what I probably would of done.
Dr H reaction to some of the things left me feeling a bit weird. Firstly he seems to have a deep suspicion of Ritoky after the conversation is starting to calm down a bit and even says that Ritoky looks bad. But you never really get a sense about what his read is, their really is no follow up besides DrH saying that he is just going to ignore Ritoky trying to do things from this point forward, which he ends up trying to explain himself a few posts later but then drops it. From all of the interaction with Ritoky (good or bad) he should of been able to formulate some form of opinion on Ritokys alignment. And yet right after the fight has affectingly ended he calls Geript scum but never pushes it at all and then moves on to chyz. Im going to put him in the leaning scum category here.
Geript just lacks something right now, hes not quite as posty as he normally would be and is really tight lipped about his thoughts. Also his post about being ableto read Palmar koshi etc really ruffled me a bit and reminded me a lot about when he was scum in russia. Hes in the leaning scum category presently can you tell me what was "really good" about the followup, damdy?
Sure he didn't say things and let them die like he did in his two scum games I showed. Look in carol mafia his first few posts were mainly fluffand then he made a point about froggy, believe it was, and then he never even mentioned it again until he was called out for lack of follow up.
Here he does not have that at all. He is ready to go doesn't drop what he sees and presses that angle until its over. To me that's good followup to try to figure out someone's alignment even if it is down a odd angle
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On January 01 2015 02:32 IAmRobik wrote:
Can we stop talking about DrHelvetica...there's no way he doesn't believe what he's saying about TheChyz...regardless of whether he's right or wrong
actually i think DrH is quite capable of doing just that as mafia. I just don't think it's this game :p
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On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well.
@Marv You can answer this since Artanis is mia.
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On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Same same.
Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously.
Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite? Let me point you to something..... IAmRobik 0/14 = 0.0000% It will be 0/15 after this game. I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Same same.
Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously.
Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff
What's the point of this question?
On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote:
You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts.
Do you have a scumread on Koshi?
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On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me
We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters.
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If I was scum I'd probably want to hard bus somebody Day 1 too so yeah this is totally possible like marv said
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That was easier than I thought. Start here and read all of 3 posts down:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=18#344
You'll see that aside from ritoky joking about a spreadsheet the three posts, in consecutive order, are:
- ritoky saying he's tunnelling too hard and was going to try to stop
- Chyz saying the argument isn't going anywhere and needs to stop
- Doc saying he gets where the argument comes from and explaining himself, which became the last post of the argument
The way Koshi keeps framing Chyz's post you would think Chyz came in while it was at full swing and tried to defuse it. No, he comes in right at the very end of it, after it had died down, and criticizes it for going nowhere. I think that's why it seemed so awkwardly-timed earlier, because my immediate thought in my head was "Uh... ok... they stopped arguing about it already... why is that your big thing to talk about right now?"
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On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Same same.
Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously.
Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite? Let me point you to something..... IAmRobik 0/14 = 0.0000% It will be 0/15 after this game. I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Same same.
Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously.
Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff What's the point of this question? Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote:
You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. Do you have a scumread on Koshi?
I'm not talking about anything really besides lynching TheChyz. I think Koshi is scum but I tend to forget who posted what and I've even voted for people if their username begins with the same latter as someone else who made a post. Like if Artanis and Alakaslam were in the game I might make that mistake. I think Koshi is the person who made many scummy posts but I'll follow up on that later. THe only thing that matters is that everyone also realizes that TheChyz is definitely mafia.
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On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well.
Missed this post earlier.
I'd remove Chyz. I'm really torn on him right now. I think Eden is also likely town for prying into every little hole, though I haven't seen him play scum so I'm not sure if he does the same as scum but it fits his town meta even if the bit about Dr.H in the start was a bit weird. I definitely don't want to lynch him D1 in any case.
I haven't paid much attention to sicklucker, and I like Kelsier for how he's been pressuring people and asking questions.
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Lol Doc can be town then, he's ninjad me like twice in a row.
I get this bad feeling about Koshi too but I need to reread and make sure I'm not just being a donkey and suspecting someone for not seeing eye-to-eye with me.
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On January 01 2015 02:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Same same.
Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously.
Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite? Let me point you to something..... IAmRobik 0/14 = 0.0000% It will be 0/15 after this game. I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Same same.
Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously.
Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff What's the point of this question? On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote:
You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. Do you have a scumread on Koshi? I'm not talking about anything really besides lynching TheChyz. I think Koshi is scum but I tend to forget who posted what and I've even voted for people if their username begins with the same latter as someone else who made a post. Like if Artanis and Alakaslam were in the game I might make that mistake. I think Koshi is the person who made many scummy posts but I'll follow up on that later. THe only thing that matters is that everyone also realizes that TheChyz is definitely mafia.
Hammering that over and over will not make you being listened to. Just sayin.
It would be appreciated if you didn't limit yourself to a tunnel this early in the game.
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I'm betting DrH doesn't like Koshi because Koshi defended Chyz
bit associate-y.
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On January 01 2015 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
Lol Doc can be town then, he's ninjad me like twice in a row.
I get this bad feeling about Koshi too but I need to reread and make sure I'm not just being a donkey and suspecting someone for not seeing eye-to-eye with me.
I ninjaed you multiple times in heavyweight III :p
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like as it stands I'd lynch Lazer over Chyz any day of the week.
And I might lynch any uber-lurker before either of them.
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On January 01 2015 02:58 marvellosity wrote:
like as it stands I'd lynch Lazer over Chyz any day of the week.
And I might lynch any uber-lurker before either of them.
I think I agree with this.
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marv, can you carry me through d1 and then I'll carry the rest of the game. I'm glad we rolled the same alignment
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Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.
I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?
He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.
Look at this he can't even go find a post by eden that bothers him he says "he just is" when pushed. This is HORRIBLE. Who's being non aggressive, cautious, defensive, and wishy washy here? Up to this point in the thread eden was active, pressured and asked good questions to his reads and even voted for somebody. It would be like if someone came in the thread and said I'm scum because I haven't pushed anyone yet or something. It's just totally false.
Then after all that apparently he still sticks with the read because he said this:
I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one.
You don't get to criticize other players for not having super strong reads and cases when you don't have your own and can't form your own. If you're in the thread to say "hey everybody go scumhunt. I don't like how soft all your reads are" and have NOTHING but soft reads and no opinions of your own then you're either scum or just complete trash at this game. Mafia play like this all the time. All the time.
On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.
Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?
With a 48 hour day he has finally formed his strong read because I didn't vote within 20 minutes of starting a bandwagon on him or something. Yawn.
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Can't we just lynch Robik instead? It's a win/win situation. Either he's town and his streak breaks or he's scum and we get closer to winning.
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