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I'm not sure if I would lynch marv today. He did push ritoky day one and call him out. And did try to get rit killed when he claims. And filter size, maybe but I'm not quite sold on mafia marv
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On January 13 2015 06:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 03:20 Damdred wrote:
1) Palmar I really asked you to check out some things I wrote at points and give your opinions and you never did that even though you said you would. And then i repeatedly asked you to check my filter and how much have you read and you never responded and you made your entire case based on a couple of pages? I understand its a big game and stuff gets lost but come on man.
Am I mafia because of this?
No you would be termed lazy because of this. I would call you scrum mainly because you are somewhere between trying d1 and not caring, besides ads few moments.
Like a weird 6 on the ten scale you use.
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@Artanis early questions help me understand people's views and thoughts. It helps me but can seem meh, I take heat all the time for that.
I don't think I've asked pointless questions today however.
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Ok i'm on a computer now finally.
I really don't like being tunneled, i've begged you to actually read my filter Palmar and you just wont' do it. You waver it seems at one point in calling me scum earlier, but then literally you throw me into another scum team moments later. And then you town read, lazer for asking people to read there filter? You town read art for pushing super? BUT YOU SCUM READ ME FOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? You are totally disingenuous with what you are doing, you push marv and you totally let up on it and settle on me. Theres no follow through with what you do, and your probably scum.
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On January 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote:
Ok i'm on a computer now finally.
I really don't like being tunneled, i've begged you to actually read my filter Palmar and you just wont' do it.
This is not true, I had no opinion on you until I read your filter. Would you yourself characterize any parts of your play, especially from day 1 and 2 as different from normal?
Ok let me rephrase then,
You stopped reading my filter after a couple of pages. Actually yes I was more aggressive D1 going after LM and Bats, which is something i've been striving towards. Day two I don't remember a lot of but I know I almost got super lynched if vivax would of listened to me. Not exactly sure what else would be different.
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On January 13 2015 08:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote:
Ok i'm on a computer now finally.
I really don't like being tunneled, i've begged you to actually read my filter Palmar and you just wont' do it.
This is not true, I had no opinion on you until I read your filter. Would you yourself characterize any parts of your play, especially from day 1 and 2 as different from normal? Ok let me rephrase then, You stopped reading my filter after a couple of pages. Actually yes I was more aggressive D1 going after LM and Bats, which is something i've been striving towards. Day two I don't remember a lot of but I know I almost got super lynched if vivax would of listened to me. Not exactly sure what else would be different. The thing is, read your own posts regarding LM I specifically mentioned the weird phrasing. You don't _sound_ aggressive at all. Anyway, if you are town, which I suppose is a possibility, what is your scumteam? And if you suggest I'm in it I'm not going to listen to. like give me 2 people who you think might be mafia and why.
I really disagree with you here, if you actually read it I am so aggressive (in context) and pressure him so much that LM basically rage quits the conversation and says that he won't respond to me anymore. I'm not sure if you are getting the context with just the filter.
excluding you palmar just to futher the conversation this is where I am,
LM is very probable mafia to me, some of his postings lately give me some pause but still a few things that put him here for me.
GB is possible I think, there are some weird things the past couple of pages in the filter just don't see the normal GB gumption.
And I have a gut feeling that i'm not sure about yet.
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Ok,
LM is pretty prevalent in my filter, I really dont' want to quote myself just go read my filter.
GB has no reads at this point, not trying to push the game and is totally disinterested. Looks more like his mafia meta now.
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On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though?
He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it.
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On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today?
Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think.
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On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why?
I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred.
You can still have good days and be mafia I think
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On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts.
I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning
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On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you.
1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred.
2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town.
3) I do want to kill LM
I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super.
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On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
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He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads.
Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously.
Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider
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On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:
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Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative?
Can mafia look towny and make good points?
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On January 13 2015 09:29 Chezinu wrote:
Vivax, Damdred, and Lazermonkey no talks to me much.
Chez I love you and we can be friends.
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On January 13 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
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I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred.
You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? Can mafia look towny and make good points? If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them?
Of course we should re-evaluate them every day. Which is why i said i'm shaky on LM right now, but in my mind I still have him as mafia. And sadly palmar went away after i answered him and we got on this stream
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On January 13 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
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I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? Can mafia look towny and make good points? If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them? Of course we should re-evaluate them every day. Which is why i said i'm shaky on LM right now, but in my mind I still have him as mafia. And sadly palmar went away after i answered him and we got on this stream It's just that I don't see your re-evaluation of LM in the thread. I don't see you engaging him. You've asked him one question since he's started to act, as you say it, better.
One way I re-evaluate people is when i'm here to ask questions such as reads, reads are harder to fake as mafia than as town. I can see his intent and work from here. Read his filter see if earlier stuff lines up with later suff, see if if still read things the same way etc., re-evaluating players just isn't interacting with them necessarily.
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On January 13 2015 09:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:
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1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred.
2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town.
3) I do want to kill LM
I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? Can mafia look towny and make good points? If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them? Of course we should re-evaluate them every day. Which is why i said i'm shaky on LM right now, but in my mind I still have him as mafia. And sadly palmar went away after i answered him and we got on this stream It's just that I don't see your re-evaluation of LM in the thread. I don't see you engaging him. You've asked him one question since he's started to act, as you say it, better. One way I re-evaluate people is when i'm here to ask questions such as reads, reads are harder to fake as mafia than as town. I can see his intent and work from here. Read his filter see if earlier stuff lines up with later suff, see if if still read things the same way etc., re-evaluating players just isn't interacting with them necessarily. So from this I take it you've gone through Lazer's filter again recently and came to the conclusion you still feel he's scum?
Yes i've been through his filter again. Yes I think hes scum.
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Vivax, I will listen and comment on your stuff on SL i'm slightly prejudice but i will try to keep an open mind
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GB what is your read on damdred?
figured i should get you to answer
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