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On December 17 2014 12:17 sicklucker wrote:
Hes useless both. Look for scum but if you dont find any we can always save vegs bullet by killing kush for him. I just mentioned this because someone mentioned leaning to vote me/breske because were not useful but kush is in this game....
Breske no read. He barely said much and you know I have a hard time reading him. He says really smart things and things I really disagree with all the time as town.
I dont think anyone has mentioned lynching me or you because we are useless but rather for reasons they think we are scummy. Feel free to prove me wrong here.
Why do you think scrib is town SL?
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On December 17 2014 12:23 sicklucker wrote:
There was one game where he was spouting random reads and was kind of ok? The last campus game He died too early to really judge I sapose he had some hope there even tho he missed the votes he was around for. But in my other games with him hes just been dreadful, I have yet to see this good town kush you keep mentioning everygame.
I've never said anything about a good town kush I said he gave some stuff in that student game. He still got lynched so it obviously wasn't good enough. So if you think kush is useless as either alignment why did you bother mentioning it.
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It was early i was fine with him not caring because there wasn't much to go off.
Then i specifically asked him to give reads and he basically refused to. If he refuses to give reads I will assume he has zero. Yes he might play like this often but right now i think it is likely he is mafia because as town he has no reason to withhold reads. Town needs to find and kill mafia to win whereas mafia can just survive.
Do you think he is town scrib?
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On December 17 2014 12:37 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:34 Breshke wrote:
It was early i was fine with him not caring because there wasn't much to go off.
Then i specifically asked him to give reads and he basically refused to. If he refuses to give reads I will assume he has zero. Yes he might play like this often but right now i think it is likely he is mafia because as town he has no reason to withhold reads. Town needs to find and kill mafia to win whereas mafia can just survive.
Do you think he is town scrib? Does mafia have a reason not to fake reads or to give legitimate town reads instead of being difficult?
Yes, to not make shit reads because is it not harder to come up with reasons for reads when you know exactly what alignment everyone is. I will admit that yes normally i wouldn't think that this is how mafia would play because they could just give reads and this conversation would stop but coag was getting townread for it and that is why i assume he is continuing.
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On December 17 2014 12:02 sicklucker wrote:
sciberbia town, palmer town, ls, town
Its really early but not liking the other early posting vets like robik. They seem like sharks circling the newer players who have like 2 posts.
On December 17 2014 12:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:05 Damdred wrote:
You don't see how what LS said/acted like could lk scummy SL? And why not give the reads i asked for? I gave the only reads I have from this very short game sir, what reads do you want? I dont really have any others but I can filter dive
On December 17 2014 12:38 sicklucker wrote:
What mafia is always hesitant to give reads early especially as a new player. I know this because in are mafia game together neither of us gave like any reads which is why we had to bus each other.
On December 17 2014 12:41 sicklucker wrote:
I dont know about you but I like to keep my options open as long as possible as mafia for more mislynch options. Whos jaf or whatever the other guy you asked for a read on besides breske, I dont know nicknames. Gonna sleep soon
Are you not giving reads on others because you are "keeping your options open"?
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On December 17 2014 12:47 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:34 Breshke wrote:
It was early i was fine with him not caring because there wasn't much to go off.
Then i specifically asked him to give reads and he basically refused to. If he refuses to give reads I will assume he has zero. Yes he might play like this often but right now i think it is likely he is mafia because as town he has no reason to withhold reads. Town needs to find and kill mafia to win whereas mafia can just survive.
Do you think he is town scrib? I'm slightly leaning town on him only because he was the first to mention headbanging. Of course he could have read it from the OP but Coag does not strike me as the kind of guy to thoroughly read OP's. I think it is foolish to try to determine Coag's alignment from his lack of reads. Palmar said Coag does not care about winning the game as either alignment. It is safe to assume Palmar is not lying about this. If Coag does not care about winning the game as either alignment, why would not having reads make him mafia? Normal scumtells only apply to players that are trying to win the game. It's nigh on impossible to read players who aren't playing to win the game, which is Palmar and JAT suggested Coag would be a good vigi shot. He's almost impossible to read and useless if he is town anyway. What puzzles me is your assumption that a town coag would be actively trying to catch mafia, in the face of players who have played with him many times before telling you otherwise. You said yourself you've never played with him before.
I actually dropped trying to push a coag lynch until you brought it up again for reasons similar to your last paragraph. Yes I havn't played with him before and there is so many others telling me he plays like this as either alignment that some of them have to be town. Obviously noone agrees with me right now so i will pursue other things for now.
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On December 17 2014 15:22 sciberbia wrote:@bunnies What specifically did you like about the first two posts? I agree regarding inconsistencies. What do you make of the following: (1) Implies useless =/= scummy and therefore we should not lynch kush + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:12 sicklucker wrote:
Well if anyone should get semi lynched on the basis that there useless its kush. Ive played with him four times and hes been utterly useless in everygame for whatever team hes on. People keep saying that he sometimes trys as town but I just dont see it. Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless? (2) says kush is useful as town but not as mafia, which would seem to imply that we should lynch kush + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 12:18 Breshke wrote:
I know the games you were refering to with kush SL and there is actually a difference in his play in the town game he actually gave some content whereas the scum gave he gave 0. To say he was useless both games would be wrong. Also (1) seems to be inconsistent with his original stance on Coag where Coag's uselessness implies scumminess
You misunderstood my post about kush. I was saying that the game in which he was scum he was useless and the game in which he was town he was less useless. I'm not saying kush is always like this i don't pretend to know but i thought LS was referring to two games in which he said kush was useless in both and i was disagreeing saying there was a difference in his game play. I never said or meant to infer i town read him because i don't he is lean scum for me at the moment but that can very easily change before EoD
Let me try explain this for you bunnies and anyone else.
On December 17 2014 05:52 Breshke wrote:
I have never played with him but i think coag is town for how little he cares
This is my first post about coag. This was early in the game and at that point i liked what coag was doing. He seemed relaxed and wasn't snapping at people for little things he was just around. I
Someone then clarified that coag plays like this as either alignment so this moved this read to null. I then prompted coag for reads to which he just replied with songs repetitively. This to me was a way not to give reads which i think has no town motivation to it. Therefore i think he is scum. Do people expect him to stop playing like this? If so what do you actually plan on doing with him how long is he just going to not actually play the game.
The difference between kush and coag is that kush for all i know hasnt actually been around in the thread to give reads. Yes he has been useless so far but he hasn't been "in your face im going to obviously choose to be useless" useless.
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On December 17 2014 16:57 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 16:41 Breshke wrote:
Do people expect him to stop playing like this? If so what do you actually plan on doing with him how long is he just going to not actually play the game.
Well I think the consensus is vigi or failing that policy lynch. If he's not shot night and we're not too sure of any scum I think he'd be a good D2 lynch. Anyway, I guess I can buy your stances on kush and Coag. What's your read on bunnies?
The vigi solution is only better if coag is town which by all means is possible but i honestly don't see it.
I think bunnies is town she makes some really good observations specifically this one
On December 17 2014 08:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I also find it super weird that one person is like, hey, let's vote marv.
And the four people jump on it like, "ooo, let's vote marv."
Am I missing something here? Or is that a bw from hell?
I know little about marv but there was a multitude of people who had posted as little as marv yet he was the only one being singled out.
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SL can you ecplain why YOU read me mafia?
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On December 18 2014 07:54 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 07:43 Breshke wrote:
SL can you ecplain why YOU read me mafia? meh your more null slight scum read not mafia
So why am i null slight scum read then?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2014 03:47 Coagulation wrote:so its roughly 24 hours into the game at this point and actually reasonable to formulate opinions on the game so I will drop some reads for you people who are not fucking retarded. ve- too early to tell on ve right now. I do know we can get him all emotional and I can read him based on how sandy his vagina gets. kush - pretty poor entrance even by kushs standards altho hes perfectly capable of fucking off @ page 9 as both town or scum. marv - kind of lurky and under the radar. looks very comfy in his posting and his tone is low profile. hes probably town but I still wouldnt mind getting him and ve to interact a little bit more. palm -claimed scum and I would policy lynch the shit out of him for it just for the lulz. jat - sorta nul but leaning townie Iamrobik- town with the picking up on my early posts. alakaslam - gtfo Damdred - wishy washy and try hard and fixated on me for some reason (the easy push). might be scum.
Like i realize i might be being pigheaded and you guys have experience with coag but these reads are a joke. Let me summarize them
VE: Null
Kush: Null
Palmer: Would lynch for fluff reasons
Jat:Null/town
Robik: Town
Slam: Not in this game
Damdred: Scum for something he didnt actually do
His only read in here that he gives a reason for that is based in truth is the robik. This read came from robik picking up on stuff in the early stages of the game say the first 2 hours. So this read was obviously made around this time yet
On December 18 2014 02:48 Coagulation wrote:
and anyone else that was giving reads 2 hours into game was just pulling garbage out their ass and saying it just to hear themselves talk.
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Can someone explain this wagon on marv a bit more i dont get it. He has done nothing this game but basically call me scum but there is others who have also done nothing. Is it expected that a town marv wouldn't play like this but a town kush would? Like i honestly don't know I have never played with marv before.
I once again like NB's logic but I think you also have to look at it from the perspective that if marv is town, mafia would be hesitant to jump on the wagon as well because other than bunnies i havn't seen any actual logic on why we should vote marv.
This being said some other reads from him would be nice.
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sicklucker can you please explain why you think im lean scum?
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On December 18 2014 14:59 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:52 Breshke wrote:
I have never played with him but i think coag is town for how little he cares Think this has been pointed out but I have a hard time he believes this? Breske had only focused on two players coag and ls at the time I gave the read anyway. Since he gave it hes been on me too which helps him. Hes completely ignored anyone anyone good at the game so theirs that too. Me ls and coag are all trash Its like a slight scum read I didnt feel much reason to back it up ive already said I dont read him well.
Why do you have a hard time believing it?
If you think i have been focusing too much on certain people how about asking me about my reads on others?
You have these problems with my play but you don't talk about them or ask me questions or anything. So you have an inkling that im scum yet you ignored me and have hardly tried to interact with me. You arn't even trying to work out my allighnment you just called me scum because other people were and you were hoping no one would question you on it.
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On December 18 2014 18:34 sicklucker wrote:
Also you ignored the part in my post where I accuse you of only interacting with weak players and point out the pointless part of my scum read. Thus helping my point that your playing scared.
You and LS are the people i have played with the most i guess i feel more comfortable making reads on you guys. Also in one of my games when GB was coaching me he said that people are less likely to read your posts the bigger they are especially when they have had no experience with you so may not expect as much from you as others if that makes sense.
On December 18 2014 18:35 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 17:32 Breshke wrote:On December 18 2014 14:59 sicklucker wrote:On December 17 2014 05:52 Breshke wrote:
I have never played with him but i think coag is town for how little he cares Think this has been pointed out but I have a hard time he believes this? Breske had only focused on two players coag and ls at the time I gave the read anyway. Since he gave it hes been on me too which helps him. Hes completely ignored anyone anyone good at the game so theirs that too. Me ls and coag are all trash Its like a slight scum read I didnt feel much reason to back it up ive already said I dont read him well. Why do you have a hard time believing it? If you think i have been focusing too much on certain people how about asking me about my reads on others?You have these problems with my play but you don't talk about them or ask me questions or anything. So you have an inkling that im scum yet you ignored me and have hardly tried to interact with me. You arn't even trying to work out my allighnment you just called me scum because other people were and you were hoping no one would question you on it. Also why so defensive? Do you really need me to ask? Well I asked but why dont you just give them which is where this is obviously going? Instead you try to deflect some bs on me instead of helping me read you, scummy.
No because you scum read me because I have been focusing on people when i had been being scum read partly because of my coag shit so of course im going to talk about it because if i think its scummy and others don't there is obviously something wrong.
I think palmar is town. I can clearly understand the progression of his reads especially concerning LS. I think it is towny that he was the main pusher on LS but has come to the realization that LS is most likely town. Also the fact that he said he thought i was town at a point when basically noone else had helps a lot aswell. This is because i really dont see mafia motivation behind this because when i flip i don't think palmar gets much credit at all for calling me town if anything it would bring him further into the spotlight.
I also think Ninjabunnies is town. Has had insights like the JAT thing and stuff about the marv wagon that shoes she is really reading the thread and trying to get reads. Also the fact that she scumread me but still admitted she liked some of my posts. As mafia i don't think she would do this because it would be more beneficial to shit over everything i do and just ignore anything that might seem towny
Scrib I have as tentative town. Isn't afraid to post when the thread dies which to me is towny because it gets conversation going again. Also reads me as scum but activly tries to discuss this read and pick apart some of my posts for example
On December 17 2014 15:22 sciberbia wrote:@bunnies What specifically did you like about the first two posts? I agree regarding inconsistencies. What do you make of the following: (1) Implies useless =/= scummy and therefore we should not lynch kush + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:12 sicklucker wrote:
Well if anyone should get semi lynched on the basis that there useless its kush. Ive played with him four times and hes been utterly useless in everygame for whatever team hes on. People keep saying that he sometimes trys as town but I just dont see it. Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless? (2) says kush is useful as town but not as mafia, which would seem to imply that we should lynch kush + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 12:18 Breshke wrote:
I know the games you were refering to with kush SL and there is actually a difference in his play in the town game he actually gave some content whereas the scum gave he gave 0. To say he was useless both games would be wrong. Also (1) seems to be inconsistent with his original stance on Coag where Coag's uselessness implies scumminess
My only problem with scrib is he seems to misunderstand stuff im saying a lot but this could be more of a problem on my end than his. Also the fact that he is townreading you SL is weird because i don't get that.
On you SL i think you are very different this game. For better or for worse you normally have a large thread presence and are always speaking your mind. The fact that i had to prompt you for reasons behind your reads multiple times is extremely suprising to me because normally you always say exactly what you are thinking the second you think it. I don't know if you are purposely trying to tone yourself back from previous games or if you actually didn't have reasons behind your reads and were just making a scum list you thought would be acceptable. One thing working for you is your dislike of the marv wagon. It is a conclusion i expect a town SL to come to because i also dislike it and i think thats because we have both never played with marv before(not sure if this is true for you aswell?)
I can say shit about more people but im about to have dinner so if there is anyone you specifically want feel free but these are my stronger ones other than coag and LS
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So this is legit you are claiming scum?
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On December 18 2014 21:09 sicklucker wrote:
Now are you claiming scum? ;p . Like doesint look like my votes gonna matter so prop afk it and go to bed. Maybe Im awake for vote maybe im not. Ive missed many votes in are games before breske this is nothing new.
I never had a problem with you missing deadlines that was scrib.
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VE are you reading damdred scummy for anything else other than his catch up post? I actually think he is town
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Thanks for hosting FF and thanks for the carry scib sorry i couldn't stay alive longer.
GG all
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