EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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On December 06 2014 01:15 Palmar wrote: I'm thinking of starting this Monday evening. Sounds good, thanks for hosting you two. | ||
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On December 07 2014 02:42 Damdred wrote: I think there was a game (twiter) that there was a much harder cap it sounds fun in practice but looked kinda painful Mafia using Twitter to begin with sounds painful in of itself, must be brutal if you have to defend against a wagon. Yikes. | ||
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Welcome to the fray Tubesock. And LightningStrike, please don't jinx us before the game begins hahah. Then again you might be a cursed Mafia player :p | ||
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On December 08 2014 03:18 Xatalos wrote: I'm a natural born Mafia. Someone is going to policy vote you for this (not me, but) just you wait....  As for me, I'll be likely asleep when the game starts. *shrug* | ||
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On December 08 2014 19:29 Tubesock wrote: Yes. These games are such great drama. Even if I'm so bad I won't want to play, I'm going to /obs for the pure emotional rollercoaster value. Tube, don't feel too badly, as I'm pretty new here too, that is the only game I've done here so far. After a few days you'll pick up the ropes. Though now I can't discuss that game - we're not permitted, it is still in progress - but I can say it's been a fun, even if challenging experience. Rasputin, glad to see you're back to shake it up again. Didn't think you'd be gone for long. | ||
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On December 08 2014 22:29 rsoultin wrote: S'all I'm good for, shaking things up!  TL Mafia needs a good dose of Rasputin as much as Rasputin needs his dose of TL Mafia  | ||
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On December 09 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote: Tubesock is clearly mafia. We should lynch him. Nice idea for an initiation process for the new players. Pre-game welcome to TL On December 09 2014 01:27 marvellosity wrote: [16:08] <marv|work> hola [16:09] <Palmar> oh shit [16:09] <Palmar> I have to host a mafia game [16:09] <marv|work> :p we're on track boys and girls   EDIT: Just caught the new roles, looking good. | ||
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On December 09 2014 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: When we starting btw? On December 09 2014 04:05 Palmar wrote: I still need to add a few roles and a special mechanic. Expect role full setup to be up 22:30 utc and role pms going out soon after. | ||
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If any such character is roleblocked on a night they use their bullet, do they get that bullet back or is it used? | ||
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On December 09 2014 07:46 Palmar wrote: Good question, my bad for not answering it in the QA The bullet is used up. Thank you Palmar, and thank you both for the time you've put in. GL HF everyone, and let's get this party started! | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: Alright, so here is how it goes boys (and possible other girls?). You should be glad that I was rerolled into the game! You know why? Because I am amazing, and will lead town to an unbeatable victory! That being said. RNG is absolutely terrible. If you can't scum hunt, you don't belong in my game  However, Templar is more likely town for that nonsense. Also, I have a hot date in an hour, and prob won't be back on again until the morning, so let's make some progress! Greetings everyone! 27NB, I'm also female, join the club and I drew town as well, so victory together! Good luck and have fun with your date. As for me, well, shopping for my significant other is done and dusted. Some years it's easier than others. Kelsier, can you please explain the Scrooge claim post? Agreed with HF, what are you seeing in this? | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:56 KelsierSC wrote: hts how do you know 27nb is town I don't lol, that was mainly an introduction to her saying possible other girls. I read her first post, and then just now stumbled into the whole discussion of her comment on lurkers and such that is being debated right now. Now I had to read all those posts a few times, but I can see where Holyflare is coming from. Slam, no you are not creepy. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:06 Damdred wrote: So what is your conclussion? Do you think 27nb is town still even though you understand where HF is coming from? Or are you leaning a different way now? Also talk about 27nb list post some if you can. What do you make of the froggy post and vivax? Damdred, once I read that, I've put her in scumpile for now. Froggy's post to me is a null, although that sentence is contradictory. I think he was trying to say that policy lynches are stupid in comparison to a scum lynch, and then he says "in the absence of a decent slip." Though poorly worded, I can still understand him and I believe he was the one who said before the game that he was returning here after 2 years ago or something, so I wouldn't blame him for saying that. I cannot comment on how things were 2 years ago as I wasn't around then. What I Vivax's post is also null to me. Again very straightforward, I don't see any reason to sort him either way. | ||
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I mean calling Kita iffy for just saying hey? Hmmmm....what is the norm for him? That seems odd at face value, and not knowing him at all. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:24 Damdred wrote: Do you have any other reads going on right now on the active people? 15 or 16/80 teehee At the moment I do not aside from you of course, you appear to be doing the normal scum hunting business, the way you did last game. So far you read town to me. I'm going to read the last few pages one more time before I go to bed. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:30 Damdred wrote: I couldn't give you kitas meta or try to if i wanted. I've only played one game with him so not sure. Why do you not want your opinions to lead town? What are some of your other reads so far? HF and Templar look town for me atm. Slam is looking fine so far. As for meta, I can only go off the people that I know from our student mafia game (which is ongoing, mind you). So if you can give me metas on bunnies and Ritoky I'd appreciate it. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:54 KelsierSC wrote: I didn't like entry where she said "nb I'm also town"i don't see why she knew nb was town when at that poiny she hadn't, apparently, read the thread. Then her scum list doesn't add up. She makes the same points as nb but then nb is scum When you say "her" scum list, do you mean NB's or mine? | ||
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Bunnies herself had more fluff at the very beginning of this thread (pages 16-17) and the whole Nicki Minaj thing on Ritoky followed by her vote on him is just...I mean if that's based on meta, I cannot tell that it is. I'm going to assume it's a joke vote, otherwise I cannot follow why she is voting him. Even worse, you look at her D1 list, she's voted Ritoky and she doesn't even scumlist him or change her vote before she leaves? The rest of the posts are answers to questions, mostly by Damdred. Since you don't know me, this is my second game ever, first normal on TLM (thus unprepared for how quickly the thread took off) and I even told Damdred I had to keep reading other's posts to answer his questions on my reads. Also where are you getting that I am suspecting Damdred? I even said later on he was reading town. The third post you cited (lot of reads for this early D1) was in reference to bunnies' list of D1 reads, which seemed like a lot to me given she was posting under pressure and it was so early in D1. My citing Kita was because calling him iffy for just saying hi seems like a stretch. Damdred asked me to discuss 27NB's list, so that's exactly what I did. I was asked for reads on Froggy and Vivax and I was doing reads on multiple others at the same time. LoneMeow: I did not skirt the issue. I broke up my response in two parts. First post was the reads on Froggy and Vivax. Second was a response regarding the 27NB's list of reads. Also, the game started at 11pm GMT, and it was 1:30am when I went to bed with work at 8am. If I could have stayed up until 3-4am GMT to keep sorting things out, I would have. I fell behind on the thread, which I've done some further catching up on just now. | ||
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On December 09 2014 17:58 kushm4sta wrote: k ill trust whoever said scrooge should claim because that's the easier option for me. im scrooge. Kush appears too experienced a player for this knowing the game mechanics (Marley, if he exists, goes through any protection) so assuming he's not Scrooge, why did he roleclaim? I'm not following. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Give a reason HTS why kush claimed. Come on, try. The only two possible reasons are that: 1) He is Scrooge and somehow he failed to see Kelsier's second post about claiming Scrooge, an oversight on his part. 2) He's not Scrooge and trying to distract scum but I don't see how scum would fall for something like this. Neither of which seems to me would get him anywhere. But that's just my opinion unless I'm overlooking something. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:09 ritoky wrote: so are you saying you KNOW he is town? why can't he be scum? I don't know that he's town, but I also don't know or think that scum would roleclaim this early on in the game. I would think it's too dangerous for them to do so. Additionally, the Kush I recall from last game makes these sporadic posts for whatever reason and he was town last time, so I am using meta here. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:16 rsoultin wrote: Too dangerous for scrooge to claim. Bad reasoning. Try again. Then if Kush is town, he claimed to help distract scum. If he's scum, he's trying to get the other ghosts, if any, onto him for N1 to delay them getting to the real Scrooge. I'm thinking this through and that's the only other reasoning that makes sense to me. Damn these mechanics. I think I'm figuring it out though. | ||
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what about his ninja vote? what about his content thus far in the thread? i could give 2 craps about your meta case, no offense. [QUOTE] Nope, you're right. I did not catch that until now. I caught Kush roleclaiming and it was out of the blue, but looking at filter, now when you add it all up, yes, he's scumlike. Two posts from what I can tell, really doesn't do much for what I can tell, certainly not productive for town, and the vote for you, there's no explanation, sheeping at best. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:23 Xatalos wrote: Half the Sky: do you have other scumreads besides 27ninjabunnies? Yes, I do. My town reads seem very straightforward from everyone I've evaluated last night: Holyflare, Rasputin (rsoultin), Damdred, kitaman27 (who seems to be picking apart things as he should), you also appear to be doing the same atm. Null - Froggy (one post discussing policy and that's it), Bats (retracted his previous argument as others had the same opinion), Vivax (talking about Froggy) Null leaning scum - OWS - don't understand his posts, the SL lynch posts I believe were because SL was posting one-liner fluff but after that it was all one word posts. Scum - 27NB and Kush for reasons I've explained. I have to look into GlowingBear and Templar and a few others more. LS was null prior to his latest post updated with reads. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:53 Xatalos wrote: Oh never mind, I missed this post. But how did you arrive at this from how you meta'd him to be town just minutes earlier? I completely missed the ninja vote until Ritoky drew attention to it. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him. He's not the only one, sicklucker was doing it too earlier prior to explanation, my first instinct is why throw these posts around and not participate? | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote: Sky her posting style is confusing like hell. It might be because she is new to the game. She starts out calling 27nb "also town" which is not smart to do. But then after reading the thread she agrees with HF that 27nb looks scummy. But then she somewhat reproduces 27nb vision on froggy (I read this somewhere) but still calls 27nb scum: [...] It just looks messy. I don't know if she is scum though. Might just have had a bad start like she claims now in her newest post. Yes, Koshi, this is me trying to figure all this stuff out. As I said to others, this game is 2x the people my last game, and I'm trying to track a lot of people here. My first post, I've already explained that. Regarding my explanations on Froggy and Vivax, I've hit this before, I looked at Froggy and Vivax after Damdred questioned me on it. Multiple people agreed that those two posts by Froggy and Vivax were null and that 27NB was scumlike. I also added that I could not figure out why 27NB voted Ritoky off the bat, and then scumlists people other than Ritoky. I could not follow that. That said I'm also digging hard and trying to find any more alignment indicative information on some of the others who have posted. I have to review Fecalfeast again, he's given some reads but I'm not following his reasoning behind them. | ||
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I do not know his meta. | ||
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On December 10 2014 02:23 Tubesock wrote: I've seen that from him or posted about him in either Campus or the other Student IV threads. Those are the only other two threads I've tried to read. I'm pretty sure it's in Campus. Tube, regarding Kush, it was hard to tell, using meta (either myself or Damdred, who has played with him more), he was fine because his posts are sporadic as town, but without meta, using the Scrooge claim and considering the ninja vote, he was looking pretty scumlike. Others (Xatalo) I know for sure was saying they haven't seen him this "nonsensical" before. I went through FF again. He's still mostly null until I get to a few posts, but what is coming off as scumlike is his thoughts is the post on LS and his last post to Ritoky. It's not strong, but I don't know why he's brushing Ritoky off like that. Ritoky generally speaking has been reasonable so far d1. Kitaman's reads are coming in as pretty town seeing his thought process and reasoning from last night and today. | ||
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On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote: one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me. On the topic of policy votes, Trfel has yet to post D1. In fact his only post in his filter is his /in post. | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:38 Xatalos wrote: Hm. You might be more familiar with GB than me. I wouldn't really want to lynch him based on a meta read that isn't even from my own experience though. Xatalos, I'm noticing a trend here, after looking at GB's filter, I'm seeing one post refuting you for what is a pretty minor point, but most of his posts are all over the place. Damdred is correct, not sure where he's trying to go. The problem is there's a few others falling into this category (Kush, Lian, FF, one could argue Oats too) as mentioned before with random posts. This may or may not be typical for D1, with meta being used to argue for or against some of these individuals (Kush for one, Oats was also like this last game, though I cannot comment on Ritoky, I didn't see a problem with him). It is making some of these people though very difficult to read, and for a town agenda, that has been pretty frustrating. Disregard meta for all of them, and they all look pretty bad. Froggy, just read your post, I don't think #1 is entirely accurate, I got the impression people kept policy votes in the back of their mind whilst still scumhunting. Town should always be scumhunting. I think that's why Damdred called you on it. | ||
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On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm. If that's how you feel about GB (meta or not) then what is your take on some of the others I described - FF, Liancourt, etc or anyone whom you interpret to be lacking direction or just have random posts? Do you know anything extra about them? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:04 Alakaslam wrote: Read Lightningstrike filter tell me he is town I see you just voted him. Because....? | ||
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And regarding meta being anti-town or pro-town, I don't think meta itself is the problem but rather the interpretation of someone else's meta people don't trust. Rasputin is not the only one who disregards meta, LoneMeow has told a few people to disregard meta in their arguments. On the other side of the fence, you have Damdred, LS, etc, using meta to justify some of their arguments. I don't think the use of meta is necessarily alignment indicative, as I've seen it in Student Mafia being used and mis-used for and against people. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:29 27ninjabunnies wrote: Who the fuck is Rasputin? Rasputin = rsoultin He was called that in our last game. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: Also, who is rsolutin? *sp* I don't like his entrance. Nor any of his posts after. Has anyone played with him? 27NB, he's a relatively new player, played in the last Student Mafia game with him (disclaimer: game is still in progress) and he's doing here what he's done last time - poke holes, ask questions, although I notice this go, he has a more edgy tone than he did last game, but you can still understand what he's driving at and why he's picking people/points out. As far as I can tell, a solid town read for me. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:36 batsnacks wrote: I didn't push on OWS, I pushed on LS for blatantly sheeping one of OWS' posts. See here: Bats: You misread my post. I know you didn't push on OWS, FF was apparently scumreading Rasputin because Rasputin pushed OWS. You being called out by multiple people was an entirely separate point. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:21 Holyflare wrote: Kush has completely gone away, hasn't read anything and claimed a role that would be great to trade 1 for 1 for mafia which he would love to do instead of being completely useless in an alignment he hates Not just that, the bigger issue as was pointed out is that he ninja voted Ritoky well before the FF/Ritoky OMGUS battle broke out, there is no explanation in his filter for doing so. Kush I know how you've played D1 in Student Mafia, but I actually do not understand your vote for Ritoky at the time you voted him. Pressure vote? Something you didn't like about him? Explain please? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote: HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Kitaman, what you just posted: To me, that shows inconsistency in FF's explanation in applying how meta is used. I am also making the assumption here that LS and Slam were NOT together in the Titanic Game. Both players are studying threads from other games, but FF seeing Tube doing this as a new player....I do not see how that's more town or scumlike than any other player doing research outside the thread, barring a scum QT. Considering LS and at least one more player have said they are doing research outside the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if Tubesack saw this and just went ahead and did the same thing. And with that, 1am here means I need to head to bed, with work again at 8am. | ||
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Froggy - two posts, both of which are null. We need more info from him. Trfel - still hasn't posted yet FF - I'm seeing contradictions in his reads - the weak read on Rasputin especially - and a double standard pointed out by Kitaman. The lurkiness doesn't help. Can you at least explain your thought process between Tube and LS? If I missed it, please quote. KelsierSC - He's added Bats and Xatalos to his town circle. I wonder what he thinks of Xatalos now given Vivax's developed read. OWS - Good to see you posting finally. I can't say much on you yet, since honestly I feel most of your town reads were ones most had picked off. You did sheep Vivax, but that was admitted. You're still pretty null to me at the moment. Vivax - confident enough to say he's town even before the reads on Xatalos. Liancourt - Even if this is his meta, I still don't like it. I'm sorry, I don't. Zero help to town, my friend. I need to reexamine the case on Xatalos but at this point for me, it's a tossup between any one of the lurkers. GB is a headscratcher for me. He's saying he's gathering information but I'm looking for any prelim conclusions other than the Bats/Templar (which I don't agree with)/SL reads, and his present post doesn't seem to have a purpose since alignment is unrelated to possession. | ||
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Also where are the holes in the case against Xatalos? The sequence of quotes alone is pretty strong. EBWOP - FF to me is null leaning scum at this point, same for Liancourt and GB. That said more reads from Froggy and GB. Especially Froggy who has zero at the moment. | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote: So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum. Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly? You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere. Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying. Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think. | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:56 kitaman27 wrote: HS earlier on, you eventually conclude that kush is likely scum based on a post from ritoky about his vote/unhelpful posts. However, you also state the the only reasoning that makes sense for a scum kush claiming Scrooge is to attract ghosts. Do you honestly believe that's his plan? The problem I had resolving this is how Kush appears to play D1 in general. I have said in Student Mafia IV it wasn't helpful then and it's not helpful now. Kush answered my question on the Ritoky vote - he said that was placeholder (so as not to get modkilled), so that cleared my concerns on the vote. He comes across as a player who doesn't try D1. The answer to your question would be no, he doesn't care, he's even stated he doesn't give a fuck (or something along those context), and I would consider his Scrooge comment to be mere trolling. He could be doing this either as scum or town. If it were anyone else though, claiming Scrooge is very dangerous and I'd accuse them of being unhelpful to town at best, assuming the real Scrooge, if any, is smart enough to avoid claiming or counterclaiming because of Marley. | ||
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On December 11 2014 02:59 Xatalos wrote: And at the same time she became more scummy because A) half the reason I was hesitant to lynch her had disappeared B) when I no longer wanted to lynch HTS, bunnies appeared more lynchable by virtue of HTS not being preferable Xatalos, there are 25 people in this game. If at points in the game, you are looking at any two people and you doubt both of them (be it myself, 27NB, whoever) well after the initial hours of the game, why aren't you at that point at least exploring or considering exploring the other 21+ people? Student IV had 3, this game probably has at least 4 scum. I know you explored OWS and FF, but that was well after you voted NB. Am I missing something? | ||
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On FF, I wasn't feeling good about him at all given the sporadic posts and asked him a question regarding what Kitaman highlighted between Tubesock: On December 11 2014 04:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm sure i make contradicting reads because it's too boring to pour over the entire thread looking for nitpicky shit as town. I take everything at face value whenever i am here and reading. I'm not sure what people mean as an inconsistency between my tubesack read and my LS read but I've played with LS before and haven't with tubesack. I mean, if that's not question dodging I don't know what is. The other thing I have a problem with is that if he does find LS scummy as heck, I am looking through here and he's not explaining WHY LS is scumlisted for him. I know other people have, but I didn't see any reasoning from him. I did not vote him right away because I wanted to give him a chance to explain himself but after seeing his response....just wasn't impressed. Also I used my vote to pressure Froggynoddy for information, he posted twice but didn't have reads. I called him out twice, and he complained he was overwhelmed, and told him to try and manage the work in smaller amounts. He didn't produce a read and a vote til close to EoD, I think. Tubesock has managed more for comparison's sake, and Trfel now, in an even shorter amount of time. As stated before, my issues with 27NB were resolved, so I looked elsewhere. I didn't like her tone of not taking the game seriously but I took that to be a personality trait that wasn't alignment indicative, since she seemed like that from the very first post. | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:25 ritoky wrote: because holyflare is a very capable mafia player who can appear extremely town as mafia. about 2 games ago he sold me hook line and sinker; so i have a huge skepticism toward him forever now. also town holyflare is angry and salty and tells people their reads are atrocious. mafia holyflare is more calm. Ritoky, do you have links to these games? I have not played with Holyflare (or really a lot of the players here) before. | ||
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Also agreed that what you said on Bats makes sense. Damdred pointed out earlier that Bats had to backtrack on something he said earlier... On December 09 2014 10:03 batsnacks wrote: Damdred I went back and looked and it looks like HTS and vivax have similar stances. For reasons I'm having trouble explaining, I thought HTS was scummy and I thought vivax was null. Maybe it's how they explained it. Vivax was more explicit. There's like 4 people I want to vote right now though. And I originally voted NB for the useless bra discussion. Curious to see what Damdred has to say on this now, when he can. | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote: I caught up. Time for a blind list post without reviewing anything: No Lynch Xatalos Koshi HF Damdred FF SL oats Hmmm, this was pretty early in D1, I see you, Bats, used justification for FF as being more memorable and before other people developed the opposite read on him. Has your view on FF changed any Bats? Why/why not? | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:14 batsnacks wrote: Kush Ritoky HF probable scum team. Posting for cred. Kush flipped Scrooge... | ||
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On December 12 2014 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: If anyone interested in comparing this game of Oatsmaster to his last town game here is his filter from the game that just ended http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Oatsmaster I know this seem like a random post but earlier in the thread I said I would filter dive Oatsmaster and got him null possible town and wanted to see anyone else can compare that game to this game and see if they are similar in anyway. Lightning: Definitely more involved in Student Mafia IV (the game just ended, so can talk more on that now) than he was this game and he rolled VT in that one. That game, I recall him and Bats going at it, I think he was at it with Vivax earlier in this game, but most of the posts appear anti-Vivax until the Xatalos case which I believe he said he didn't agree with anyhow. Thing is, I'm sure Oats has played more than 2 games, so do you have any normal games to work with from a meta standpoint? Going to read all the filters of all who died if I can get any new insight, although some of the ones already cited I had scumlisted anyhow. | ||
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On December 12 2014 09:19 LightningStrike wrote: Per your request HTS http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/409304-mexican-standoff-mafia?user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/403766-boardwalk-empire-mafia-pick-your-power?user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?user=Oatsmaster Also I know this isn't requested by here was his scum games if anyone is interested http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/393344-tl-mafia-lix?user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407704-doctor-who-mafia?user=Oatsmaster Thanks LS. Bookmarked for after I get through the rest of the deceased's filters. So much reading, at least I know what I'll be doing on my commute tomorrow. Vivax - to add, Damdred's top scum reads were Froggy, FF, Bats (I think he's made him more null since though) and then Ritoky. Also didn't like OWS's passivity at EoD, which I don't think others were impressed with either. Also said OWS's posts hit him the wrong way. | ||
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Definitely scum-like. OWS looks even worse to me after reading his EoD comments which is inconsistent with the vote on Xatalos. Also not sure where the LoneMeow comment came from, and then LM flips town. Tubesock: I played with Sicklucker last game. He is erratic at times, but his scum-hunting behaviour last game is similar to this game. Similar behaviour then and now. He's good in my book. Looking through the links that LS gave me on Oats and seeing if I can get anything out of it before I have to head to bed. Based on his play in Student Mafia IV alone though, Oats isn't looking too good either, but I'm going to read for a more comprehensive look. | ||
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I am not using meta to scumread Ritoky. I am reading Ritoky's filter and seeing holes in his argument against HF. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:37 ritoky wrote: have you played with HF before when he is scum? i was masoned with him when he was scum in HS mafia, i got to see how he works behind the scenes a bit, this is HF mafia. No I haven't, but upon reading Hearthstone, his behaviour/posting in that game is a more choppy compared to the way he's picking out things here and fleshing things out. This is why I don't understand your comparison of him. But more of an issue to me is that you also accused him of not pushing Xatalos etc when he already explained why he wasn't doing it. He said he didn't even agree with the case on Xatalos so how are you expecting him to push Xatalos? | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote: He talked about me not pushing bunnies adequately (haha) not xata. On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote: she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. That is the quote I was referring to, unless you understood him differently. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:50 sicklucker wrote: do we even know theres 5 mafia? Unless I misunderstood the rules, I didn't think we had our hands on a hard number for sure. | ||
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Rasputin, since you're here, can you give a comparison of Oats' gameplay as you know it versus what we're seeing now, (or if you have an opinion, then what?) we are trying to see if we can compare playstyles and get something alignment indicative. My opinion from SMIV is that it's not looking good, but this isn't a mini game either. LS gave a load of links to go through a few pages ago. | ||
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1) why you thought there was only 5 mafia (as far as I can tell you haven't really answered Templar's question) 2) your read on Vivax - you call him scum for suggesting the vig kill Alakaslam but don't have any further support? Lightning, I read further on 3 of the links you gave on Oats, and while he is less involved this game generally speaking in comparison, what is bothering me more is that this game he's going off Froggy a second day for mostly null posts. D1 was acceptable as a pressure vote since I've seen this done in Student Mafia IV by other town, but today, we have 2-3 cases floating, a possible scumslip (Tubesock) and he's still going after a null at best. | ||
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I re-read everything from Ritoky's onwards from the time I went to bed, and I'm trying to picture in what universe a town would do something like this even to bait since we don't want to make it easier for scum to take out town power roles. We're hosed for KP, there's too many flaws in Ritoky's defence from last night, I don't like Tube's scumslip (I don't know how anyone can take his quoted post out of context) but Ritoky is an even higher risk. ##vote Ritoky | ||
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GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker. What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? | ||
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On December 13 2014 04:00 Xatalos wrote: 2) If he's town, there are two plausible scenarios. Either he's A) fakeclaiming having opened the present and actually planning to pass it on while eating a KP/RB or B) actually opened the present and still wanting to eat a KP/RB. Option A seems to make much more sense as town, but naturally he wouldn't want to admit that now if possible. Option B is a bit stupid, since he could get all the benefits of option B without actually wasting the present with option A, but I don't think it's all that implausible either. As a solo town player he wouldn't have the scumteam coaching him and his judgment may have been faulty. That at least seems more likely than him doing this play as scum with a whole team coaching him..... I'm thinking the mechanics through with the present, do you really think a scumteam would believe what he had or would they just try and continue to rolehunt? Also I'm just trying to understand why any town would claim any present period (and especially what Ritoky has claimed) when scum have the advantage in KP (across all nights, not just the one night the present is used) and I would imagine the proportion of blue roles to VTs/named VTs is still small. Absolutely I agree Tube is scum and he needs to go at this point, but I think a few of us were worried about that extra KP. I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. | ||
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(town and scum) and how the other side would react. But you are right, scum have a lot less to gain and a lot more to lose. It is possible he could have made an honest mistake with claiming too. Since Tubesock is the most likely scum given the slip, I'll go ahead and change my vote. I've had FF scumlisted for awhile given the inconsistencies, not answering the questions (as I cited before) and continued apathy, but Tube is definitely the better lynch at this point. He still hasn't explained that post. | ||
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On December 13 2014 05:17 sicklucker wrote: also its kind of nice that ritoky claimed kp. If he ever uses it we should know. And then we get a 1for1 mafia trade. More reason not to vote him out I don't know if we have a vigilante (I can't tell if Kush was killed by vig or Marley??), but if we're sure FF is scum, and we have the extra kp, we should probably use it on FF. | ||
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On December 13 2014 05:26 sicklucker wrote: That being said people were pushing are vig to shoot kush and he might have believed them... Someone with posts left should probably integrate these people because their logic is so bad its mind boggling. Since you asked: Page 72 of the thread - the following advocated to shoot Kush: Koshi (several times), Xatalos, Batsnacks. Fecalfeast was saying we should have lynched Kush instead of 27NB. | ||
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Offhand, the one thing that jumped out at me in my interactions with him was him asking me why I should ask Ritoky for the Hearthstone mafia link, though he did provide it himself - I just wanted to see Ritoky's support for his meta case against HF since I'd never played with HF. It just seemed overall weird that HF would question that from me. But I didn't think too much beyond that. | ||
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On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote: kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible Is this it? | ||
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I read the thread - couple points I want to bring up from these last few pages: On December 13 2014 21:00 Tubesock wrote: FecalFeast's lynch doesn't fit in my current worldview. Yeah, he's done a lot of scum things but him flipping mafia while great doesn't help me find his mates. Well, to be honest I haven't gone in with the zealousness I did with my 4 disclosed (In case Sicklucker forgot they are: The_Templar, KelsierSC, Sicklucker, GlowingBear). I have a 5th but I need the right person to flip and sadly that isn't Fecal. Tube, this quote I do not understand. In what universe as town would you not want to take out a scum (be it FF or whoever) or someone you have tapped for doing "scum things"? I know Rasputin has pointed out association reads already, but Tube, if you think someone's going to flip mafia, you should always want to take them out and push them. The information gathering part makes no sense. On December 13 2014 21:27 Xatalos wrote: Hm, Froggy. Not looking that good but he did notice Tube's slip so if Tube is scum, Froggy is probably not. Xatalos, I'm not sure I agree. I actually want to say this is WIFOM. It is possible that because the mistake is or may be so obvious, that Froggy (or any other scum) might also try to bus instead. Not sure if this is sure POE. Reviewing the cases against Holyflare and GB atm. Rasputin, I also questioned the logic behind role claiming largely because of the scum KP and couldn't work out a situation in favour of town. GB cited another example where it worked, but was KP/mechanics the same? *shrug* | ||
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The second point, I don't really agree with your second part on Froggynoddy from that, and others also said the same thing. I know some of us went back and forth on that before he said "we'll just agree to disagree". Do you have a second part to this case? I'd like to read it. I just don't feel I should be voting for someone especially when your full evidence isn't here. I'm just not feeling an HF lynch. I'm sorry I'm not. I've had FF scumlisted for awhile though, and there is plenty of evidence that way. ##unvote ##vote Fecalfeast | ||
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On December 14 2014 05:37 rsoultin wrote: It is and it isn't and I know why you're voting FF, I just don't see it as a strong case. But neither is my trfel one. With him, it's inactivity and meta (I've only seen him super try-hard before). It's also that he keeps saying he'll post cases/reads and doesn't. That his only read at all was FF, and town of all things. Okay, he can read him town, but why is that his only read? And that he spends more time telling us how lost he is and that we shouldn't lynch him (but would be justified to) than actually playing. But if that's not enough for you, I can do FF. I just don't want to do one of my townreads...and that is where all the blasted wagons are going right now >< I'm willing to give Tube the benefit of the doubt now, I don't like a lot of his posts, particularly the frantic pushes. I don't like an SL lynch either, knowing how erratic SL has been. Fecalfeast on the other hand, I read a lot of the points against him, and this is probably where I'm going to rest it. LoneMeow's point against him was pretty solid IMO. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:00 sicklucker wrote: I might switch to hf because hes scary and we might not get another chance. I'm checking GB's part 2 right now, but does anything in particular jump out at you with HF being scary? Was it the whole Ritoky/present thing you were trying to explain earlier? I know we were in that discussion. I'm all ears to different perspectives, but aside I had developed on FF (from all the previous things said) I was going to stick with. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:06 batsnacks wrote: I'd like to add that I had this idea before the game started that due to post limitations, scum HF would probably post/push as much/as hard as possible at the beginning of each day to exploit that mechanic. I really hated the ritoky push and I think it is consistent with that theory. Thoughts anyone? Basically you're saying that HF is blowing a lot of his post count on his top scum read at the beginning of the day? Didn't he come back at the end of D1 and re-stress 27NB though? I know IRL he's in Belgium, so he cannot do the same thing now, but I was pretty sure he re-pushed bunnies at EoD D1. | ||
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Fecal, I'm willing to give you a chance if you can at least answer the issues we had with you, aside from inactivity. If you're town, you need to do some work for the town, because we need all the help we can get right now especially the vets. I just want to get this right, we really need a scum down. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote: His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced. Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all. The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself. Alright, I checked the filter, and crosschecked Kel's final list. I can track the changes or gaps that Trfel is discussing. I'm sold. | ||
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On December 14 2014 07:47 liancourt wrote: why did truffels move his vote? Gut call, apparently. On December 14 2014 07:41 Trfel wrote: Switching to Holyflare because of a gut call. It's hard to explain. If someone really wants me to, I can try though. | ||
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On December 14 2014 07:57 Trfel wrote: If KelsierSC changes his vote to Holyflare, it would be a tie, and I believe KelsierSC would still be lynched. Vivax, at some point I would really appreciate a response to what I mentioned earlier. Voting: Voting will be done in a separate voting thread Plurality Voting; that is, the player with the most votes at deadline will be lynched. ##Vote: marv and ##Unvote This isn't Student Mafia. BH made it clear, but it doesn't say here. What happens in Palmar games? | ||
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GGs Kelsier, I hope you recover from hospital soon. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:02 Trfel wrote: Phwew. I'm so relieved now. If I could find a way to teleport some Glenfiddich your way, I would. Well done, Trfel, well done. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:06 sicklucker wrote: So I was kinda confused that he didnt vote to save himself. But I totally believed his story that he was out of the hospital and on drugs as either alignment so theres that. One possible theory is that HF and Kelsier are both scum and that Kelsier could have sacrificed himself to preserve a presumably stronger player in the game since they were both the wagons. Again, theoretical. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote: im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them. OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC. | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:54 sicklucker wrote: So if obi didnt shoot for whatever reason he screwed us. Like why would he not shoot? I think the only reason is because he was rb which makes ritoky 100% mafia. Can someone more experienced tell me if obi would ever save his shot here? I dont think he would I think there is one potential alternative to this play. If town have a snowman, and snowman was shot, the snowman can survive a single KP per the rules. So one of these two could have shot a town snowman, second might have been RBed if scum have one. That is possible. You're a monument of the joy from when you were built. Also, you're made of snow. If you take a gun, and shoot the snow, is the snow dead? Of course it isn't, it's science... Because you're made of snow you will survive a single KP. You will however die if you suffer another one. Again, science. Am I reading this right? Does it matter where the KP comes from? If I'm incorrect, then I think SL is right. | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:54 sicklucker wrote: So if obi didnt shoot for whatever reason he screwed us. Like why would he not shoot? I think the only reason is because he was rb which makes ritoky 100% mafia. Can someone more experienced tell me if obi would ever save his shot here? I dont think he would No, I agree with you, but at first glance, I saw the "100% mafia" comment by SL, which is why I had to check, I just got the impression that he was thinking there was only one scenario. I'm sure there are more than what I mentioned too. No worries. I agree that Trfel's read on FF more or less vindicates him given his flip. | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:17 Fecalfeast wrote: wtf why are there only 2 kills? Sorry I was actually busy until now, got myself a christmas tree. I'm starting to suspect some of these 'confirmed' towns we have. There's no mass murderer, there can't be unless someone didn't shoot even if there was a snowman or JK save. There is certainly a branch manager because of the disgruntled worker kills. All I can see is snowman got hit + JK exists and saved someone as well if we are to assert there is a mass murderer. The branch manager was KSC who was lynched D2. But the BM can shoot only once per night. So someone had to account for the second disgruntled worker kill N1. Probably the faction kill if we assert no MM and Vivax's tracing of OWS to LM (the mason) is correct. | ||
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I'm not sure how mechanical balance works, but if we had two vigilantes, wouldn't there have been more deaths in both D1 and D2? | ||
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Yea, Rasputin, and everyone else, at this point, we need to really move forward, we all need to start merging reads. Trfel definitely has some good material to work with. Just looking through the recent pages (I will have to do more filters tomorrow midday) I see Templar's voted Tubesock again. Slam, I disagree with killing FF. Trfel's read on him effectively confirms him as town, plus KSC rode him hard, even before that, so... | ||
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On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote: Where did froggy agreed with my case? I think this is what he means. (bolded for emphasis) [QUOTE]On December 14 2014 00:52 froggynoddy wrote: [QUOTE]On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them.[/QUOTE] This is obvious. I think my head matches yours...[/QUOTE] | ||
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On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote: Where did froggy agreed with my case? I think this is what he means. (bolded for emphasis) On December 14 2014 00:52 froggynoddy wrote: This is obvious. I think my head matches yours... | ||
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On December 15 2014 22:34 Holyflare wrote: Ritoky has a great fucking chance at beinf mafia now that he claimed rb while obi most likely did too but you ignore it. I'm not scumreading you for this HF, but the Vet/JK save possibility has been brought up before by a few of us late last night, with a legit possibility that Rit was RBed. A few of us (myself included) are inclined to feel that this is the more likely scenario. What is your take on that? | ||
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I am also having quite a few doubts on Templar, he seems quite determined to stick with Tubesock. Asked him last night about Tubesock, and his explanation seems inadequate to me at best. If I recall correctly, the scumslip part has been beaten to death, so I don't understand the continued tunnel. Also regarding Oats, I had done some meta work on Oats, and looking at prior TL games, this is by far the least he's been involved. Oats was way more involved even last Student Mafia game (he was VT), and the two TL normal games I looked at where he was scum (LS provided me the links) he was even more involved in that game than he was as town. Second game, not so much, but by far, this game is clearly the lurkiest he's ever been. On meta alone, it would appear inconclusive. Rasputin is correct that EoD is inconvenient for him, but from what I was reading, generally he would pop in soon AFTER EoD. I recall him popping in a bit like that in Student Mafia, but its not been the case here. On meta alone, I'm smelling a coaster. Content-wise, he voted for Trfel for his lack of involvement (ironic, given his own prior involvement) and then "pressure voted" Vivax. This is what I really do not like on him. So as far as I'm concerned it's not good for him either. | ||
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On December 16 2014 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think the Mass Murderer is out of bullets because he will be given only 2 bullets to try to kill people and since there is no refund in bullets if I recalled reading the role description it's only going to be 1 death per night now so we got some time to figure out who is scum but we still under pressure though to get out some scum members to make connections on the remaining scum members thus we win the game as town. You are misinterpreting KP. Default is 2KP - 2 scum faction kills. MM/Marley/BM/etc is additional KP. | ||
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On December 16 2014 04:02 Xatalos wrote: Hm. HTS / LS, what do you think of GB? TLDR: GB is on my scum list, so is Oats, not feeling good about Bats and Templar either. (Explanations to come shortly.) | ||
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Oats, for reasons largely already explained. I will admit part of my reasoning is somewhat based on meta, but content-wise, I didn't like his voting when there were so many other cases to explore. It seems like priority 1 for him are the lurkers when there are other issues being pushed and that's been consistent all game. It's possible there might be a lurking scum somewhere, but I feel that's all he's gone after for the most part, save for Vivax. Froggy was his target two days in a row at one point. Bats is another read, but I sense a pattern. Trfel cited some of the things he did D1. He was asked for a case on HF D2, when he voted HF and he didn't appear to have a defence. If you look through page 4 of his filter, it appears he's throwing votes everywhere and looking for something that sticks. Random vote on myself for requesting a meta lookup on Oats. | ||
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On December 16 2014 04:02 LightningStrike wrote: The formula wrecked me hard T_T Also Xatlos and HTS since you guys are here what roles you think Mafia got and why? I'd say RB (patronising prick) for sure given the N2 results, likely a Marley (with Kush's death), the BM is known as he's flipped. MM is 50/50 given D1, we don't know exactly how Damdred died. And surely a 5th, but not sure. | ||
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On December 16 2014 04:19 Xatalos wrote: Yeah I agree that he doesn't seem to pay much attention and the slips are disturbing. What's holding me back is his crazy posting streak before deadline... It'd be hard for a beginner scum to post like that. The slip was there, but my general nutshell impression from his posts is that he's trying too hard. | ||
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On December 16 2014 04:44 Fecalfeast wrote: I was never sold on tubesack being town but there was one post that made me wonder Who gives an ultimatum between himself and his scum buddy? I believe that was around the time he told Rasputin he didn't deserve to live, or if he died it would give his case massive credence. I remember that and that sounded like he was misguided. I am pretty sure I can find the quote because I remember very well Rasputin telling him off for that. | ||
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On December 14 2014 07:08 rsoultin wrote: You don't understand this game then, Tube. The point is to kill off all the scum. They're gonna get at least two town tonight if not more, and that's assuming that our vig if we have one doesn't get another. I don't want to lose town if I can help it, even if I don't agree with what they're saying. The point is to win, not punish ppl for thinking differently than you do. | ||
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Just checked the rules, nothing in the OP about RB notifications. BH's student mafia rules do say you are notified of getting RBed, but this isn't a BH game. | ||
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On December 16 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote: Roleblocks are not notified Checkmate...and the vote. | ||
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On December 17 2014 02:24 LightningStrike wrote: Sicklucker why you voting for Oats? Just curious because Ritoky needs to get lynched today. Lightning, I think this is your answer. On December 16 2014 15:04 sicklucker wrote: ill vote oats convince others im out of posts hes obv mafia. Ritoky has no extra kp oats might. | ||
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As others have pointed out, he has been discussing that stuff loads this game. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:14 froggynoddy wrote: Well come to think of it. If Rit jumps on HF and HF flips town. Then Kelsier + Rit team is pretty much confirmed. Whilst if he goes on to Kelsier, then only Kelsier (who he knew would flip) is confirmed and Rit has time to make more moves. Does that make sense? I'd agree, my impression was that it was for town cred. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:19 froggynoddy wrote: I personally think GB slightly more likley than HF if rit flips. But I think there might be others I want to look to first (like SL + Oats). I still think Templar looks bad. What in particular reinforced your read of him? (since you said you still think...) Also wrapped up your case Rasputin on GB....looking good. Couldn't find any issues. At this point, let's just see what happens with Ritoky and take things from there. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Did slam post why he voted oats? I can't see it Nothing on Oats at all his last few pages. Last post actually is: On December 16 2014 02:33 Alakaslam wrote: Froggynoddy to lynch Few quotes before that he was going to vote Froggy but doesn't look like he ever did. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:52 froggynoddy wrote: Yeah, my reasoning on templar can pretty much be applied to slam. I just have no idea whether he is just insane... I know at least one other (Xatalos I recall) has said that Slam is difficult if not impossible to read at least the first few days. I had SMIV (my last game) with him and he was scum, but afked due to IRL and was replaced D2. | ||
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On December 17 2014 07:55 rsoultin wrote: Bats, you were right on all yours last game. At his rate, he should start selling his Bat Traps And looks like this is it. | ||
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On December 17 2014 23:00 rsoultin wrote: Would mafia really make the same play twice?!?! Would they make it twice solely because no one would think they'd make it twice?!?! I hate suggesting meta, but I think part of even attempting to figure this out would also be whether FF is the type of player to "yolo" like this, whether he's a joker who thought this might be funny, or if he normally plays more cautiously. I've never played with him, so I wouldn't know. Does anyone more experienced have any insight? | ||
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Not going to beat a dead horse, but given a choice between a solid case and an absurd amount of WIFOM, that, I think I'll take the case on solid ground. I used the same crosschecking methods on it as I did Trfel's, for what it's worth. As far as I can tell I don't see an updated case on HF that would make me reconsider. If I'm wrong, I will take responsibility accordingly. ##Vote Glowbear | ||
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On December 18 2014 13:58 sicklucker wrote: Wow hts is scum. There is a good case wtf are you guys talking about. Im not wasting my post to say it when me and gb have posted the same case. hint hint HE WONT TELL US WHO HE SENT THE PRESENT TOO SO THEY CANT CC HIM Being a townie does not always mean you are always correct. Being wrong does not mean you are scum. I have read the GB case that was posted, parts 1 and 2 (and I think he combined it). I gave my input. Is there additional material? If I missed it, I'll gladly read it. | ||
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- Your third quote from GB - he's using setup here. Anything setup related is entirely speculative. Vivax (I believe it was him) provided an alternative setup to that, so I'm not sure how setup implicates anyone or provides alignment indicative information. I don't think your post is a very strong one when you try and use that. Holyflare, regarding your case page 201. - Generally speaking I didn't like how Templar wasn't participatory and had a weaker scumread on him as of last cycle - The case you have on Templar is very solid altogether, especially using the meta to back it up. Both appear to have different styles of playing scum in the cases illustrated, and I would think not all scum are going play the same way on a single scum team. I made that point in Student Mafia IV that it was more unlikely that all scummers would play the same way, with two of them out of the way in this game, it is a reasonable assumption here assuming 3 remain. I could vote for either GB or Templar based on what has been presented. (Sidenotes: HF - 10/10 on the contract lol Vivax - did you really have to post that visual on page 203? ugh) | ||
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On December 19 2014 01:47 Holyflare wrote: well it's specifically worded for after the contract seeing as there are other clauses for late payment and failure to provide the service I'll admit I had quite a laugh, HF 13. Payment Penalties 13. In the event that the Customer does not comply with the rates, amounts, or payment dates provided in this Agreement, a late payment penalty will be charged as follows: o 10 spanks on the bottom will be charged in the event of a late payment. 14. Performance Penalties 14. If the Service Provider does not perform the Services within the time frame provided by this Agreement, a performance penalty will be charged as follows: o Holyflare will be lynched in the event of non-performance. | ||
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On December 19 2014 10:07 sicklucker wrote: Heres holyflares mafia strategy. Lynch a team mate or gb if he has the numbers he has the perfect excuse to change his vote and save himself. Tomorrow if templars lynched as town or mafia regardless he gets a free lynch on gb because he will kill two votes against himself. Then it will be lylo with 2 or 3 mafia with a potential kp present in there hands. He will have gained a little town cred in the process. Alright, question for not only SL but other vets who've played with HF as scum - basically you lot are saying his strategy to win as scum is 1) bus people as needed and 2) eliminate votes against himself in some way. Am I understanding you correctly? Where are you getting the "free lynch on GB" or do you mean he's going to NK GB? Also SL, using what you just said, the two people who died, I know Bats wanted to kill HF, but I just went through Froggy's filter, and I don't see any anti-HF sentiment in there. I see twice on page 2 of the filter, he says he wants to lynch GB over HF. | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:32 rsoultin wrote: lian obviously is a big question mark. His reasoning is absolutely non-existent, and he refuses to give any. I also don't trust anyone who seems to be planning out his lynches in advance. even some of the most stubborn here will change a vote as the situation changes, but not him I believe it was Bats who said he's like this all the time. Basically the opposite of Kush in a way. Still unhelpful regardless. | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:14 GlowingBear wrote: I would be reading you as town after the case on Templar, HF. That is, if you weren't holyflare. Your scum play is unpredictable and I know you are capable of bussing your whole team to gain town cred. So you're saying that Holyflare is scum for being Holyflare? You don't say... Seriously though, GB, I am trying to understand the anti-Holyflare sentiment. What would convince me of a scum HF is a game where the signs were similar to what he's playing now, so I can see the capability in his current gamestyle. Ritoky tried to use Hearthstone Mafia as a meta against him but if anything I read his filter in that game and I did not see at all the same signs for his behaviour in this game - in fact that filter supported a town HF upon reading it. Granted that's only one game of the many he's played. Surely someone here can give some of us newer players concrete examples where his gameplay is similar now. At least you should understand why some of us are not buying HF as scum, not at the moment. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:25 Vivax wrote: Basing all your reads on night actions and setup speculation presuming you knew what they were is veeeery bad play. On the other hand you 180 ° on HF knowing that scum preferred voting Kelsier over him (might be that he asked to be bussed while being in hospital cause he couldn't play though, so his buddies could harvest some cred, that's also pretty speculative). Ultimately it's better to focus on the actual plays rather than all this stuff, although given the difficulty in reading HF's plays it might be worth giving it a shot in his case. On December 18 2014 13:32 Vivax wrote: The wifom isnt crazy, you either believe they got killed for what they said or cause scum wants us to believe what they said. If you ever played scum you should know it's almost always for the first reason, so not as wifomy as you make it to be. I'm voting HF. On December 18 2014 13:50 Vivax wrote: Yes I look at what the NKs said most of the times. It's the one part of the day where you can try to see the game through the eyes of scum. Especially when you can assume it wasn't a bluesnipe. FF has a green check so I'm not lynching him until we lynched all the other amount of scum and know for sure that a godfather didn't flip. Just backtracked to Vivax's use of nightkills. Operative parts in bold. This is looking contradictory...unless he's justifying the fact looking at HF as the reason to look at nightkills. | ||
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On December 19 2014 11:07 Vivax wrote: There's a difference between me analysing what the dead guys said and GB claiming to know what scum's exact actions at night were to prove a point, which that first post is about and you would know if you read in context. Re-read that post, fair enough. As I've said before, there's a lot of WIFOM flying around, which I find confusing as I'd been told to generally disregard. General question then, in what situations do you lot consider it more acceptable to use night actions for proper analysis? On certain players? Or do you really do it that often? I mean I can understand using it as a supplement to other evidence, but when that's the only thing do you find yourself being that much more accurate with your targets? | ||
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On December 19 2014 11:27 rsoultin wrote: - RNG reads more like a joke/trolling...so not sure of the significance here, unless it's that he happened to pick KSC from it That's how I read it, actually. He even acknowledged it was a joke, it was how he got to it (the division mechanics) to pick Kelsier and more importantly the followup (the Starcraft unvote) and then the sheeping. Just that entire process. | ||
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HF is not the lynch, I just don't buy the concept of killing someone to find information especially when we're this close to lylo. ##unvote ##vote Templar | ||
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On December 20 2014 04:07 Xatalos wrote: It is a bit disturbing that Tube hasn't posted almost anything today while he went on a crazy posting streak when he was a lynch candidate... Fits the scum pattern of staying under the radar when possible. Apparently he said he needed to step back to review everything. His first game here, so I honestly can't tell. On December 19 2014 16:35 Tubesock wrote: I haven't posted anything because I'm trying to reevaluate. It's pretty evident that everything in this game is WIFOM in one way or the other. I still want to vote Holyflare for fairly simple reasons. I still find it exceptionally hard to believe that KSC and Ritoky would rather let KSC die than easily jump on HF. Sick or not, it's far better to lynch a town and then have the rest of us realize that KSC is 100% mafia and have him die at the next lynching. I also doubt anyone was town reading Templar, so HF's case was probably the easiest case to make. I'm also fairly certain that we won't stop arguing about HF till he lynches or the game ends. He's a huge distraction. I'm questioning my vote on HF because I think Rsoutlin's case on GB is very well thought out and logical. Also, Sicklucker is pushing hard for it too, and I still scumread him for the same reasons (which I'm WIFOMing myself about). I was very wrong on Ritoky, and Froggy so it's pretty easy to see my world is incorrect. Now, I'm trying to figure out if it's all garbage or just some of it. | ||
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On December 20 2014 05:26 Fecalfeast wrote: If you don't think damdred died to a present, please outline the night kills in a way that makes sense. Alternative theory sans present: 1 Kush killed by Marley (if he exists, he has not flipped) 2 2x KP - scum factional kills (Koshi/Kita and/or Damdred) 3 Vigilante kills LM (retraced) 4 Mass murderer kills the third of either Koshi, Kita or Damdred This is possible, no? | ||
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On December 20 2014 05:52 rsoultin wrote: The kill HF cheering squad is not around. Makes me wonder why. Makes me uncomfortable lynching Templar. -shrugs- Call me paranoid if you wish. I am, lol. Rasputin, the magic number is six. If I were queen of Liquidia, I'd get rid of both GB and Templar, but seriously can that wagon realistically get another five votes in the remaining two hours? | ||
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On December 20 2014 06:35 LightningStrike wrote: I talked to the cohost and he told me that the Branch Manager can shoot non claimed Disgruntled Workers too at a lucky guess if the person they shot wasn't a Disgruntled Person the shot would fail and they loose the bullet If this is true, the present situation is less likely. I already drew up one alternative that doesn't account for a present (if Marley flips today, be on alert), but this... | ||
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On December 20 2014 06:46 rsoultin wrote: It concerns me. Can we get five more votes? With LS, Xatalos and myself having voted prior, that brings us back to four. We need two more fucking votes. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:06 sicklucker wrote: Where did he say this? I just scanned can you quote where he says this or im acualy going to assume you got this out of the emafia qt On December 20 2014 03:18 Holyflare wrote: I'm also going out tonight so can't make deadline so please don't fuck up AGAIN. Will consolidate on whoever the fuck is not me and people most want to lynch. Scum QT my arse. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Why don't we all just shenannigan onto tubesock? Do we have the votes for that? Who's in the thread now? | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh... I bet GB would get mad too. Then vote GB and we should have six. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:35 Fecalfeast wrote: I'll shenannie anyone right now I'm drunk with power! LOL...11pm EoDs make me fill up on a nice hot toddy. Isn't it still damn early for you to be drunk? | ||
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Tube (6): FF, Rasputin, Templar, HTS, Xatalos, LS HF (4): SL, Lian, GB, Tube Templar (4): Vivax, HF, Oats, Slam | ||
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Did you read what LS posted earlier on the whole Disgruntled worker thing? | ||
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On December 20 2014 08:42 rsoultin wrote: And whether I was wrong or not has nothing to do with the amount of sense that SL makes -_- QFE. How many times have I said it now? Just because you're town doesn't mean you're always right. | ||
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On December 21 2014 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote: OK so I opened the present. It was the gun which I pointed at xatalos. Bullet's not refunded so there's no point keeping quiet about it now. Possible scenarios: 1 You got roleblocked by scum RB since you announced the present, if scum have an RB. 2 You used KP against Xatalos. But obviously he's not dead. Nigella might have roleblocked him thinking he was scum, and saved whoever Xatalos was going to kill. As a result though Nigella also protects so that's another theory why the bullet didn't go through. #2 is plausible given the number of people that scumread Xatalos. IMO makes him look really bad right now. | ||
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On December 21 2014 08:37 GlowingBear wrote: There is no possible world where nigella saves Xatalos Are you out of your mind? GB, it's default. Read the rules. You're confusing intent with result. Nigella, when she picks a target, roleblocks and protects them. Roleblocks resolve simultaneously. One of the best things about Christmas is the amazing food and the cozy atmosphere. Nigella is an expert at making delicious things. Nothing can break your spirit on a full stomach. In fact, the food is so good that once you've settled in you're not leaving for the night. Every night you can invite a player to share Christmas dinner with you. The player will be protected from harm during the night, but cannot take any action. Given the sheer number of people that scumread Xatalos, Nigella went in with the likely intent of RBing Xatalos. The fact that FF went after him only supports that at least two people (and more than two people in this thread said) had scumlisted Xatalos. Furthermore, only one person died. Very likely Xatalos is scum, especially in light of everything else brought forward prior to D5, but now these night actions make it almost open and shut. | ||
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On December 21 2014 08:56 rsoultin wrote: They do have a roleblocker; they most likely blocked OWS the same night that they killed him, unless scum and OWS tried to shoot the same person who happened to be protecting said person. I'll let you determine which is more statistically likely. Or OWS could have shot into the veteran. | ||
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On December 20 2014 06:35 LightningStrike wrote: I talked to the cohost and he told me that the Branch Manager can shoot non claimed Disgruntled Workers too at a lucky guess if the person they shot wasn't a Disgruntled Person the shot would fail and they loose the bullet Rasputin, I could definitely see HF being the vet. He did claim a red role, although Liancourt posted something much earlier about being the snowman D1, so I could see him shooting Lian too. Did he mention anything about Lian? | ||
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The sentiment to go to Tubesock was based on 1) not having the votes for GB 2) having last second thoughts on Templar and 3) not wanting to get HF killed. FF - I'll put it out there, after N4: Templar, Xata, Oats. | ||
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On December 21 2014 09:31 LightningStrike wrote: I up for a Templar lynch if anyone wants to go for it. All things considered, it's likely. And after last night's disaster we need to get this right. ##vote Templar | ||
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On December 21 2014 09:48 Fecalfeast wrote: Well I wanted him dead last night anyway ##vote Xatalos Works for me. | ||
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On December 21 2014 23:22 sicklucker wrote: Leave the medic alone rsoutin. And can the other god damn carol singer claim so we have another confirmed? Like there is literally no reason not to wth. You think Xatalos is the jailkeeper? Why? | ||
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But others have brought points against you too. And leaving out GB's case, Vivax had flipped town, so now we know the stuff he said would tend to be more reliable. | ||
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On December 21 2014 23:18 sicklucker wrote: Lets not lynch templar yet. Thats who a hf, hts, xata scum team would want us to lynch and thats a huge possibility to me. I remember someone else criticising you in SMIV for this and I'll do it here again, regardless of who you think is scum in any game, look for scum individually please, based on what is known, and not in teams. | ||
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On December 21 2014 23:06 rsoultin wrote: We've got 12 players still. If it's LYLO that's a shit ton of scum in the wings. Though I will say it doesn't look like anyone's lynching for "information" but lian. Lian will probably vote Holyflare until endgame or until HF dies. Also mafia are down to 2 kp, with Scrooge, BM and MM dead, and with 12 players, I don't think we're in lylo right now. | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:29 Xatalos wrote: And what case from GB? I don't think he made his case yet. Maybe not formal case, but this is the post I was referring to, but I had said before this anyway. On December 21 2014 09:47 GlowingBear wrote: Aaaaaaand I'm drunk. Alright, listen. We've discuss a lot about HF and we couldn't get him lynched easily. We almost said everything that has to be said about him. I don't think we should waste more breath about him TODAY. We have to catch the other scum. By the way, is there someone firmly believing that HF is town? This is important so please answer me. Now, I believe we should follow Vivax reads because (1) I agreed with him and (2) we now know he is confirmed town. Considering this, I believe we should lynch Xatalos Why Xatalos instead of oats? Because he wasn't firmly mafia read by Vivax, because he was town read by obi, and because HF, one possible scum, also list him as mafia. I'm aware HF also lists Xatalos, but there are these two that didn't cite/townreads oats. I don't want to risk the game on him yet. I don't believe nigella would protect FF because he could be godfather and I don't believe nigella would block Xatalos because he wasn't actually the top scumread. But I really think nigella would try to roleblock a possible mafia because top town was Vivax at that moment. I also want you to remember that ff is only SOFT CONFIRMED, because Santa didn't explicitly said he had a green check. Nigella, don't out anymore. You'll be important night5, specially if we lynch scum and if you roleblock one mafia. Like, consider this: if there is only 3 scum left and we lynch one now, you'll try to roleblock a possible mafia and if only one kp goes through the night, you have a confirmed mafia. So, lynch Xatalos. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Why don't we all just shenannigan onto tubesock? | ||
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Templar: Scum, my prior opinion on him hasn't changed, overall a lot of lurking. HF's case further validates my overall thoughts on him. HF: I still read him as town. Most of his points/explanations seem reasonable to me when he's been active. Yes, his activity has fallen off D4/5, and that's something to watch, but we are 3 days from Christmas, so who knows. I don't think it's reasonable to scumread him on that alone. | ||
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At EoD, we did not have enough votes for GB, so we consolidated. But when we consolidated on Templar, Rasputin had second thoughts about Templar, given how easily the wagon piled up. At the time, it made sense given the 27NB wagon D1, and not wanting a repeat of that, second-guessed myself which is why I got my vote off Templar. Tube had not posted in awhile, and that's why the decision was made. | ||
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Do NOT switch votes. I have a massive post coming up. Holyflare IS scum, so is another I'm going to point out and I'm going to prove it. Please stand by. | ||
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I'm actually voting Holyflare, and here's why. I see HF has come in here to try and turn the tables on things. Obviously it's going to be easy for him to be picking on one of the newer players here - me - but there is something he doesn't know about me. I've struggled throughout this game, I won't lie, so obviously I'm an easy target for him. My townie play both in this game and in Student Mafia (where I was also a VT) have not been remarkable. But being a poor player does not mean I'm scum. It was I who purposely roleblocked Xatalos N4, when Fecalfeast said he also shot him and was unable to kill him. He could not kill because of my dual roleblock/protection. Through our actions, we have confirmed Xatalos as scum last night. I pushed the generic idea out this morning without claiming, but seeing as I am in danger of being lynched, I am going to claim. It was I who saved Rasputin N2 when Ritoky tried to kill him. You want him dead again, don't you, Holyflare? He's made some mistakes sure, but he's NOT pushing any mislynches. You are. He's your biggest threat, and I see now and clear you are trying to get rid of Rasputin. You tried and failed once. I am a new player that should be sticking to minis (and probably will after this), I'm not the greatest at pulling things together. But RNG dealt me this, and after you got rid of the first two power roles, I can tell you've tried to kill Nigella over the last few nights. But no, you think I'm an easy lynch. You're trying to hammer me hard for D4. I failed D4, but town do make mistakes. I might be stupid to you, but I'm not scum and I can see clearly you are trying to take advantage of my mistakes. I see you are picking on Templar, also trying to take advantage of him. But I see Xatalos and Oats also have voted him. And now he's picking up more votes. As recently as this morning I thought he was scum, but Rasputin was right. He was easy pickings for you because of his lurking. He was easy to put a case on. I even bought into it. Now seeing your case, you've only confirmed to me that you are scum, you and Xatalos for sure, and most likely Oats being the third, but easy for you to bus. I might die by your hands tonight or even today, but I am willing to bite the bullet for the town because now everyone realises where we are, at a major crossroads, and here, you a veteran player are clearly trying to drive a mislynch by splitting the votes right now, north of an hour before EoD. Templar isn't scum, Rasputin isn't scum, and neither am I. You're messing with Nigella, Holyflare. Don't. Get me lynched and you will pay. ##unvote ##vote Holyflare | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:59 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET REKT Exactly. #getrekt | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote: Who did you protect/roleblocked in the other nights, HTS? Night 1 - Vivax - unconfirmed Night 2 - Rasputin - confirmed save Night 3 - Rasputin Night 4 - Xatalos - confirmed RB | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:03 sicklucker wrote: Yes give us everyone of your saves for everynight so we can figure out if your telling the true I just answered GB's question with that. I am happy to explain the reasoning why. | ||
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N1 Vivax - was my strongest town read. N2 Rasputin - also a strong town read for me. I felt he was getting on a number of people's nerves and I know scum tend to want to try and eliminate people that are most likely to figure out the game. Rasputin to me is head and shoulders above everyone else in that category. Ritoky in his lie, told Rasputin D3 that he had tried to shoot him and then backtracked. That is when I knew that my save on him was for good. I did not know who Santa and Arnold were, and I wasn't townreading OWS at the time he was shot so I did not save OWS. N3 Rasputin again - I wanted him to progress. I know there were calls for Nigella to save Bats but since Rasputin was attacked once, I figure the calls to save Bats were a bait so that they could kill Rasputin. N4 Xatalos - I went from a save mentality to an RB mentality. Xatalos especially after the D4 wagon on Tube along with the other things that people read on him made me want to RB him. Unfortunately Fecalfeast also went for him and his shot got blocked. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:08 GlowingBear wrote: Shot went night3 and he was JKdRitoky was the mass murderer and there was only one kill if I remember correctly? I don't know. LYNCH HF RIGHT NOW Holyflare, I'm not that stupid. Stop insulting my intelligence. | ||
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Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death. Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:15 sicklucker wrote: Also theirs no counter claim. Like if hts was lying there would be a cc As well there should not be. And if I get lynched, the result will be there for everyone to see. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:17 GlowingBear wrote: What did you think of Tubesock? Like I said before, null. He was all over the place but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt in the end but I didn't see town in him. What I did D4 was stupid, and when this game is over, or if I step into him in Obs QT (seeing as I am getting lynched tonight) the first thing I will do is apologise to him. I acted upon impulse, without thinking, and now I deserve what is coming to me. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm a confused little lamb. Doesn't your JK confirm xata as mafia? Why not vote xata instead of hf? It confirms Xatalos as scum, so we should be going for Xatalos on principle, but I think HF is using that as one last method to keep himself alive. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:23 Holyflare wrote: You should read my rsoul case before blindly confirming him as town. Ritoky was confirmed scum, you had 3kp that night, two revealed the two power roles, I had saved Rasputin, and Ritoky admitted to shooting him. Rit flipped scum. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:25 LightningStrike wrote: HTS roleblock Xata again tonight and we will see what happens. Absolutely. Even if I get killed and they have an RB, roleblocks are simultanous. If HF goes down like he should, this is the obvious next step. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: If HF is the roleblocker then scum would concede then? I don't know. That is speculation at this point. Obviously no access to Scum QT. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB? I answered this question....hold on. This thread seems to have exploded since HF returned... | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: HTS, again, how do you know there was a confirmed save and a confirmed RB? Night 2 - I protected Rasputin - Ritoky says D3 that he tried to shoot Rasputin and then backtracked on it. Remember for N2, scum had 3 kp - 2 default faction kills and the MM, who only died D3. Night 4 - I RBed Xatalos and there was one less death in the D5 results. Additionally Fecalfeast shot him and the shot did not register. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:34 LightningStrike wrote: You saying FF is scum or something? No, what I did N4 vindicates FF, FF is town. Xatalos is scum. FF claimed shooting Xatalos D5 when we all saw that only one, Vivax had died. FF is confirmed town, and Xatalos is confirmed scum. FF had the present KP and opted to shoot Xatalos. I did not know he had the KP. He claimed a present. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I shot at xata, he was protected and roleblocked by nigella.. nigella protects from all KP, not just one afaik This is correct. Protected from all harm at night. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:36 Fecalfeast wrote: whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttt? FF, relax, I cleared that up for him. You are confirmed town. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:38 LightningStrike wrote: I thought Ritoky claimed he gotten the Present with the KP? He lied about that. He flipped as Mass Murderer. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:39 sicklucker wrote: HTs why do you think templar is town again? Well I don't know for sure, but here are my observations: 1 Easy pickings for scum HF to go after. 2 Look at the votes prior to HF coming in. Xata and Oats had their votes on Templar. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:40 LightningStrike wrote: The present stuff and the MM 2nd KP is makign my head spin faster than Mercury orbiting the sun T_T Read the OP - scum had 3 kp that night. MM can deliver BOTH the faction kill and his own kill. 2 KP is the default formula, third is MM which is additional KP. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:50 sicklucker wrote: So I sapose were just killing hf? Oh well wanted to toy with him some. Its still kind of an unnecessary risk but hf feel apart here. It's not worth it. I know Vivax brought up the part about making his gf yell at him...no. I'm not that cruel. My other half thankfully doesn't mind my playing forum mafia though. I've told him to try the next student game, surely he couldn't be any worse than me. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:52 rsoultin wrote: Lol i go to work and this place explodes xP anything i should know in the last five mins? HF presented a case on me and tried to get me lynched. Except that I am Nigella. I roleclaimed to stop the wagon, expose lies and I came back with concluding that both he and Xatalos are scum. Xatalos is confirmed scum from my JK actions last night along with FF's KP present. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:52 GlowingBear wrote: [/spoiler]And now, it's EXTREMELY dangerous to change the lynch to Xatalos because there isn't much time left and scum can manage to get more votes on a townie I agree and this is what HF was banking on as his last resort. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:54 sicklucker wrote: Well another wellplayed game hts I knew there was something off about you tho... Thank you, and thank you for trusting me in the end. I don't blame you for scumreading me the way you did. Honestly I had a reason for playing the way I did. I will explain everything post-game. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:56 LightningStrike wrote: Her being off is normal from being VT to a Power Role that would needed. Ofc she had act different to avoid suspicion of her being a town member and lay low. THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT. Trfel and OWS get shot, loss of two power roles. Froggynoddy steps up to pitch in more. He gets shot. Guess what I did? Race to the bottom. If I get dinged tonight it will be for my roleclaim, and it is what it is. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:56 rsoultin wrote: Lol figured she might be. only hts would think i was woth protecting <3 and i thought ritoky may not be lying about who he tried to shoot. thanks hts Anytime Rasputin. Anytime, my friend. | ||
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OMFG we did it. We fucking did it! GET IN!!!!!! | ||
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Nice try towards EoD, I will give you credit for what you tried at the end. | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:05 LightningStrike wrote: I;m sorry for doubting you for so long but it in the end it's worth it. Where's my hug HTS? *hugs for you* | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:09 Xatalos wrote: It's over. Well played HTS, you hid your role well. As a sidenote, the reason why we didn't kill you earlier was because you didn't say that you were townreading Vivax D1/N1. So well done. Thanks Xatalos. And GGs to you and the rest of the team as well. You lot gave us a serious run, that. I'll be honest, I actually hate playing power roles. And to RNG one in my second go here...I was in panic mode D1 and people started jumping on me for it. It was not good. I want to be free as a VT to think out loud and try and solve the game, and not fear getting town screwed over because it seems like Palmar games punish mistakes hard, like losing PRs. So this was challenging in that sense. | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:17 LightningStrike wrote: HTS how did you read me before the lynch of HF? I had you as slight town. You said confirmed, but I felt a lot of your posts were rushed and forced, and I couldn't tell why at times, it also seemed you were sheeping a lot. | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:18 Xatalos wrote: I think HTS was probably town MVP. She successfully saved 3 townies: Vivax, rsoultin and Alakaslam. And confirmed me as scum. If we sniped her early, I think our chances to win would have been pretty high. Vivax N1 was also a save??!?!? OMG. Alakaslam was probably who you were going for N4 I take it? | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:21 Xatalos wrote: No, these were the N1 actions: RB LightningStrike Scrooge-kill Kush Faction kill kita sent by KelsierSC Faction kill Vivax sent by Xatalos Mass Murderer kill Damdred Branch Manager kill Koshi Holy SHIT that's a lot of KP. I'm grateful to have been lucky and reduced it by one | ||
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On December 23 2014 09:07 rsoultin wrote: Lol, this is funny. 6 hours after I say let's lynch HF he's doing jack shit, he comes out with that massive post with me as his primary scumread xP cute...how did the wagon shift to hts? (suppose I should keep reading, will stop the running commentary) 1 HF voted me, and two others did. 2 In his massive case, I was far and away the scummiest player in his list. Far and away. It was quite convincing and if I were someone else, I would have definitely voted myself. | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:36 LightningStrike wrote: This will be my 3rd complete game and 1st win too :O So I can't get coached unless someone will vouch for me to get coached in a noobie game  I wasn't convenient in my scum reading because I had no chance to really do it in Campus Mafia and was Scum in Student IV Next student game will be my third. I need to work on my townie game in general, can you request a coach (assuming you don't RNG scum, who I imagine get one as a group)? | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:13 Xatalos wrote: Oh, almost forgot: ![[image loading]](http://s10.postimg.org/tet33yjdl/Baby_Seal_1.jpg) Awwwwwwwww so cute. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: Ritoky did a bigger blooper than batsnacks in Student IV I almost forgot, we need to re-nominate Batsnacks for that blooper for that D4 lynch in SMIV. OMG. | ||
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On December 23 2014 09:47 Xatalos wrote: Behold my ultimate plan of having all the roles claim now and snipe them Nah, Rasputin, it's not. And I figure I'm done for after roleclaiming even if they kept going. Xatalos, I'm surprised that picture is a scum claim picture. That creature is too cute to be scummy Rasputin, in case I didn't say it before, I definitely respect the way you push the discussion ahead in these games, right or wrong, I know you've figured out a lot of things. I wish I were even half as good. I fear the day you RNG as scum. <3 | ||
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Only sicklucker would vote like this hah. On December 23 2014 07:52 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote holyflare sux it | ||
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Obs QT....I was near or at the top of every scum list. Oh dear. That's not good. If anyone has any tips on improvement or anything specific they saw, feel free to post/PM. I know I struggled with some of the reads, not sure if that's common for new folks here and my part in the D4 Tube lynch was horrible. (Tube I am so sorry!) Great work overall town. We had some ups and downs but we pulled through. Trfel you were awesome, Rasputin and GB you were even more awesome. Scum team gave us a run. ggwp Thank you Marv and Palmar again for everything. See you all in the next game! | ||
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On December 24 2014 01:57 sicklucker wrote: I thought you were trying to be scummy so you dont get killed and that totally worked? But ya your "town game" totally feel off from your first one After N2, when Trfel and OWS were lost, oh yes, absolutely it was a race to the bottom. It was clear as day they wanted all the PRs gone. But people were scumreading me prior to N2, which makes sense and that is where I am concerned because I knew I had trouble with reading a lot of people and stringing cases/arguments. It will be problematic regardless of whether I am a VT or PR if I can't get that part together, hopefully I can pick it up in the next few games. | ||
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