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On December 15 2014 08:40 rsoultin wrote:
There are fifteen people left, two claimed ghosts.
Your claim which I am starting to really not believe.
You are insane.
It does town no good to claim.
The ghost claims don't change anything for the role. Kush suicided himself like a douchebag, I visited him N1, and so did marley, I'm nothing but a named VT now and claiming helps town find scum. Unless you have the theory that I took a 50/50 chance of getting counterclaimed when only few people really suspect me.
Only the last ghost claim will be sketchy cause it's the safest one for scum to make.
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On December 15 2014 08:54 sicklucker wrote:
So if obi didnt shoot for whatever reason he screwed us. Like why would he not shoot? I think the only reason is because he was rb which makes ritoky 100% mafia. Can someone more experienced tell me if obi would ever save his shot here? I dont think he would
Cause he's likely to have shot the mason and didn't want to cause more damage? That's a version. Can we please go back to focusing on the play rather than the actions?
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I realize I talked more about Xata than I talked about him, but I really want to lynch Templar for being half afk all game long and talking mostly about stuff irrelevant to finding scum, and when he tries to find scum he points to the guy with the long tinfoilish theories who is almost never mafia.
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I don't think it has ever been discusses in the thread if bats is scum so far, so take a look at this.
On December 13 2014 09:16 batsnacks wrote:
Guys I've actually read the thread and all the "reads" I have feel like junk. It is intensely frustrating reading 15 pages of stuff and not a walking away with any fresh insights other than "this guy scum slipped" or "god damn this push makes no sense how are people so passionate about this."
On December 13 2014 10:19 batsnacks wrote:
I think HF is mafia though
On December 13 2014 12:32 batsnacks wrote:
Vivax vote Trfel with me?
Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force.
On December 13 2014 15:36 batsnacks wrote:
The FF case is literally just what Lonemeow said and FF possibly being apathetic. I can summarize that in one lame sentence. I am extremely disappointed with how HF and Vivax are voting right now.
On December 14 2014 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I voted Holyflare since no one wants to lynch Trfel with me.
He is "disappointed" how HF votes FF with me (me being not his scumread, and HF being his scumread), and usually when you think someone is mafia you don't think they make a mistake in voting and feel disappointed about it (cause townies make honest mistakes, mafia don't), but you think they vote like that cause well... they are mafia. He has that feeling and throws both his scumread and me in there.
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I hope I can bring some fresh wind into all this present and night action bullshit wifom, why don't people fucking look at the plays ???????
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On December 15 2014 17:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 17:24 Vivax wrote:
I hope I can bring some fresh wind into all this present and night action bullshit wifom, why don't people fucking look at the plays ??????? I have about gb and ritoky -.- I don't agree with your xatalos case though because like he said he was talking about the lesser of 2 evils for the lynch on me/kelsier and ended up on mafia anyway so there's that. Do think we should lynch oats though.
Xatalos townread you quite remarkably IIRC, or at least didn't like your lynch, it would have looked very sketchy if he ended up on you.
Since you know your own alignment, assuming you're town, don't you think that batsnacks post displays TMI?
I don't know why you said you have a role and today you say you are VT. Just noticed it going through your filter attempting to get an overview of your ritoky/GB stuff. Sorry if I missed the reason, still reading while writing this. It's one of my defects.
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Ah right you claimed that you wanted to get shot, fml.
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It's really tiring to go through your filter tbh. It's like you're at war with the thread and when I try to look for some nice synopsis of why GB and ritoky are scum I don't find it. If you really want to get your points across clearly you should try doing something like a bullet list, cause I still can't figure out what makes GB scum except your claims that he's misrepresenting you. Yes, people are lazy and don't see things as easily as you do.
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When I look at his stuff it gives me more the impression of a super tunneled townie, which is also why I townread him yesterday (and he has 14 pages of filter, pretty much the biggest?). Townies can misrepresent things too when they're so sure of someone being scum, and then it escalates into a shitfest that never ends, been there 100 times as a main protagonist.
Not sure why you're dismissing that possibility, I'd rather get this issue between the two of you out of the way and look for scum in the more silent places, right now I'm mostly interested into Oats, Templar, bats, Xata, people like these. Not sure about froggy, he just has so few to work with.
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On December 15 2014 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
Yes I thought that too but I've seen him tunneled before and it was never to this extent. It's more telling that he admitted his case was wrong/based on things that never happened but almost nobody in the game has pointed that out (apart from rsoul/someone else). Most disappointed in you of all people vivax for sheeping it.
Oats is probably mafia for all his defences of these town people and crazy lurking. Really don't like your xata point of defending me because the case was so wrong against me that it needed looking into.
Really don't remember anything templar has done since his day 1 santa posts will look at later. Froggy came into the thread and agreed with gb's case and was agreeing with gb despite gb basing a lot of connection being me mafia with froggy. I feel like if he was town he'd immediately jump on this false logic and the case was also bad so kind of biased against anyone that liked it. Been pretty afk most of the game too.
This is a really good point actually. Didn't think about that.
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On December 16 2014 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont get anyone saying that we shouldnt lynch confirmed mafia. Thats lunacy.
Other than that, holyflare and xata are both lame dumbo scum as well as Vivax. There is a reason why nobody is picking up my lynch.
This is Oats first contribution since three days, and you really think he has any desire to solve this game? He claims to have caught up but completely ignores my claim. He says I'm scum with Xata and HF when I voted HF over flipped scum D2, and kept posting my concerns on Xatalos and argued about it so much. But we're all scum together??
Like, there's a limit to the insanity a town can show, while this is a case of a scum who doesn't like playing the scum game but pretends he does play the town game. And when Oats has such a bad grasp of the game it's cause he's scum.
Vote for this guy.
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I have trouble explaining ritokys actions regarding his claimed power from a town perspective, but the fact he made the 6-6 tie with HF set to get lynched to a 7-6, effectively tipping the scale towards the kelsier lynch, is argument enough to buy him another day in my opinion.
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Ritoky is a policy lynch, nothing more, so stop disguising it as a lynch for scumminess. There's neither a special scum nor town motivation in what he did. As scum he could've claimed to not have shot without repercussions, as town he should have claimed to not have shot. What I see as a point against his lynch is the vote on Kelsier which had real impact on the lynch (as long as HF isn't scum at least)
For me, Oats is more obvious scum than him. So that's where I'm placing my vote.
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I'm really surprised at that flip, I'd expect mafia to know the notification mechanics, and I wouldn't expect mafia to fabricate such a bad lie when there are better ones to use. W/e, good thing you lynched him ^^, sorry for not being there at EoD.
Would lynch HF now cause ritoky hammered flipped scum over him. I think that's decent evidence. I don't see a reason for why he wouldn't vote HF if he were town?
Feeling good about eliminating bats from scummers, Xata and Oats are my other probable baddies, now adding HF.
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On December 17 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I forgot koshi died...
With LoneMeow killed by vigi, these were the mafia nightkills:
kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead
Damdred the Joyful Child is dead
Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead
We already know that there are 3 shots here (2 mafia kp + mass murderer)
We have to decide if kush was shot by the mass murderer and that either koshi or kita were shot by the banker or banker missed his shot and kush was killed by Marley.
By the way, it seems the first option to me, making LS and Vivax claims (much more LS's, he had no motivation to claim day2) look bad.
It also means damdred was shot instead of dying by the present. Which means SL is scum or scum is setting SL up. Anyway, hard to believe scum would try to soft confirm SL thinking that he would be scum later. Which means SL is very likely to be scum.
Which leaves to the conclusion that SL, Vivax and LS could be scum together.
Considering lian tried to deflect the lynch from both ritoky and HF, I pointing FoS at him.
This will be my last post for now, because I've only for five left this night.
You forget to consider protective roles, and I'm sorry to disappoint you, but my claim is completely legit, the mass murderer only has 2 bullets he can withhold, and sl's claim is also most likely legit.
Basing all your reads on night actions and setup speculation presuming you knew what they were is veeeery bad play. On the other hand you 180 ° on HF knowing that scum preferred voting Kelsier over him (might be that he asked to be bussed while being in hospital cause he couldn't play though, so his buddies could harvest some cred, that's also pretty speculative).
Ultimately it's better to focus on the actual plays rather than all this stuff, although given the difficulty in reading HF's plays it might be worth giving it a shot in his case.
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On December 17 2014 10:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:
STOP!
HAMMERTIME!
SL, Vivax, lian, ritoky
Get rekt. ^So why are we talking about HF now? I asked for your reads. You were going to give us the grand mafia plan. How does ritoky being mass murderer change anything? Was your scumlist contingent on which scum role he pulled? You gave us these and voted HF. You said not ritoky or HF today. You proposed froggynoddy before these four. What's going on with you, GB?
And when I say you 180 ° on HF I'm referring to this. Wtf are you doing??? You're so inconsistent, I'm not sure if you're still drunk.
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Xata, help me out, these are the possible scummers in my book atm:
Templar
Froggy
Oats
GB
HF
You(?)
Hell even Fecalfeast doesn't seem unfeasible even tho he got greenchecked (I revisited the N1 kills, kita, Damdred, Koshi, all of them suspected ritoky, but most also FF, Kita suspected Oats, and froggy was suspicious-y.
Can you pick 3 you would lynch and tell me who you'd rather see as scum between HF/GB?
Not like you never talked about it but I 'd like to know your present opinion.
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On December 17 2014 18:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 18:16 Vivax wrote:
Xata, help me out, these are the possible scummers in my book atm:
Templar
Froggy
Oats
GB
HF
You(?)
Hell even Fecalfeast doesn't seem unfeasible even tho he got greenchecked (I revisited the N1 kills, kita, Damdred, Koshi, all of them suspected ritoky, but most also FF, Kita suspected Oats, and froggy was suspicious-y.
Can you pick 3 you would lynch and tell me who you'd rather see as scum between HF/GB?
Not like you never talked about it but I 'd like to know your present opinion. Not that much has changed with ritoky's flip. At least 2 of GB/Oats/Templar are probably scum and then we should look at people like Tube... I've yet to see a good reason for thinking that HF is scum. *Maybe* that vote split argument but it's pretty WIFOM and not based on his own play at all.
Any reason for froggy not being an option? He's like the least active of the bunch.
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On December 18 2014 04:55 froggynoddy wrote:
So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town.
This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great.
So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town?
On December 18 2014 05:29 froggynoddy wrote:
Guys you are completely missunderstanding what I am saying. It makes very little sense for this present to be a bomb. It makes no sense for Ritovky to even have a present as scum (as he has a shot and cannot use two actions I think - need to check the set-up rules).
But what does make sense is that they can safely fake claim opening a vigi present. This must mean (unless they play some sort of risky play as described by HF) that they had control or knowledge of all the presents.
Unless they only have 1 present left and that they knew that it was a bomb would they pass that present to a town FF. That situation just does not make sense as I don't think that the vig presnet has been opened (unless scum worked out from their KP that one of the N1 shots must have been a present?? UNlikely).
Again I think either FF is scum or they are making a really weird attempt of framing FF...
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On December 17 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
This is exactly I don't trust you guys to lynch HF without me.
On December 17 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote:
I want everyone who isn't going to vote HF tomorrow to type and post the following:
"I believe that at least two members of the mafia team, given the choice between killing town and killing mafia, chose to kill mafia."
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On December 18 2014 13:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
There is some crazy WIFOM in those night kills and its hurting my brain
The wifom isnt crazy, you either believe they got killed for what they said or cause scum wants us to believe what they said. If you ever played scum you should know it's almost always for the first reason, so not as wifomy as you make it to be.
I'm voting HF.
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