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I am going out. I may not be back until 10 or so minutes before deadline, but I will try to be back in time.
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Wait, 30 minutes before deadline? Dammit.
See you all at night.
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Okay, I am back. I see that NB did indeed make an honest mistake, which is unfortunate.
Probably half of the players are going to die or something crazy, one never knows.
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On December 11 2014 09:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
On the bright side, everyone who dies can join my game <3
So, as mafia, you're out to kill as many people as possible? 
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On December 12 2014 06:17 sicklucker wrote:
Oh I think I know what role ritoky is
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On December 12 2014 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 06:17 sicklucker wrote:
Oh I think I know what role ritoky is What role you think he is? Just curious that's all.
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Unless we're mass claiming (not a good time for it), don't claim roles. Mafia can kill whoever they deem to be the most dangerous no matter what.
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On December 12 2014 07:21 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 03:21 LoneMeow wrote:On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts
Not a bad list of players to look into. froggynoddyOn December 10 2014 06:15 froggynoddy wrote:
Templar really bugs me as (despite the excellent fluff), more than anyone he appears to be contributing without actually contributing. He's literally just writing about other people's reads. He did say he was busy for the first 24 hours so I guess I'll wait to see his contributions in the second half of Day 1.
On December 11 2014 04:47 froggynoddy wrote:
I will vote Templar (as my vote doesn't seem likely to swing things towards or away from NB) as I feel he is my marginally scummier read than NB but will keep an eye on the thread until the deadline.
##Vote: The_Templar Despite saying he wanted to wait and see there's no new analysis at all - almost like he had already decided he wanted to call The_Templar scum and didn't really care too much about why. I also find the excuses about not voting 27ninjabunnies suspect. Would consider lynching. ObiWanShinobiOn December 11 2014 03:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@kita: I don't really feel particularly strongly about bunnies either way. I think Koshi really hit a nail on the head when he asked if we could produce a towncase on her, and I really don't feel like I can make one. I don't feel like any of the arguments levied against her make her mafia and I like where my vote is right now.
But if nb dies...Meh. That's fine I guess. After making multiple posts about how Xatalos is scum this apathy about the leading wagon does not sit well with me. There's a distinct lack of care about who gets lynched that I get from him. He started the alternate wagon on Xatalos but never made a real case to convince others to join. On watch list. FecalfeastStill on the list, although I get a slightly townie gut feeling from his posts after lynch. I'm sorry why are you giving reads at night?? Am happy to answer any concerns you may have but during the day please.
...so we can be organized when day arrives? What do you propose we do at night?
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Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully.
I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though...
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:YES. He is of the 5.
5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote
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On December 12 2014 11:16 Vivax wrote:
Templar has a good shot at being scum. For someone who has been NKd in the first night in every game I was in with him, and one who claimed joyful child on top in this one, his play is very underwhelming considering he shows the same pattern of listing multiple scumreads but then focusing only on bunnies or setup/role-related stuff. The big posts can be deceiving and the content is often all over the place. He lacks a healthy focus on what he finds interesting (and as town I figure it wouldn't be to focus on how much time is left to deadline or what someone should or shouldn't claim)
I don't find this game interesting any more because:
1. I hate christmas
2. I wanted to play a small, not as many pages game. Seeing 30 new pages before day 1 was half done broke my spirit.
WIFOM, but if I was mafia I would be still trying to play this game. I don't like to let people who are pressuring me to help them win down >_>
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On December 12 2014 11:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote:Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully. I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though... On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes YES. He is of the 5. 5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote I dont like what kelsier did at all. Lets be honest he tricked gullible little kush into committing suicide. I can still see it from a town perspective tho. Im sure LS still remembers something that he pulled in his last game...
Hahaha, I'm sure LS remembers that. I think that his wanting to force FF to react was honest, but I need to check the time stamps for that.
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On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.
Done within 2 minutes of FF posting. FF had multiple small posts during this time period, so Kelsier's claim that he was trying to force a reaction from FF isn't terribly unlikely and it does check out.
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On December 12 2014 11:41 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote:Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully. I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though... On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes YES. He is of the 5. 5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote Oooh let's dance. GB, Slick, and now YOU are here to "pressure" and with your buddy KelsierSC on the wagon. 4 of 5. Is it my 5 or the games 5? Does it matter? No. Oh, wait, you are here to pressure me as your naughty friend Sicklucker's silly ##Vote: Tubesock didn't work. 5 of 5, 5 of mine or the games? Now does it matter? No. Put in some effort. Defend KelsierSC or sink him now. The choice is yours. Distance or closeness. Answer that, should be easy, there is A LOT of content. Then we have a dance. I'll be here. When's your next "test"? How long you here? Huh, you here for 1 response or sticking around to REALLY DIG FOR SOME SCUM????
Sassy. Answer the damn question.
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On December 12 2014 11:56 rsoultin wrote:
Does it sound terrible if I admit that I kind of just want to lynch Tubesock right now for being annoying? (Not really sold on the "scumslip" cause new players get things wrong all the time, though he's sure sticking to that number, isn't he? Maybe it has to do with 5 deaths so he's just assuming there are 5 scum?)
Yeah, so obviously not going to vote him just cause if he were here right now I'd be tempted to throw him out a window, but...dude, compared to me at early game I was angelic. When did you start channeling the ass? @Tube
If that's supposed to be slam, you're failing.
Yeah. I don't know why Tubesock is suddenly more confident considering we've lost 6 towns (and we're presumably 15 vs 5 now)
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On December 12 2014 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
The_Templar is the only one making any sense right now and hes sheeping me. Im really scared of all of you.
That's usually a bad sign >.>
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Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
And for you people not reading my last several posts. You better start. Focus on what matters. All this, "well so and so was this in a game and so that is my bullshit stupid wasteful read." You make it easy to lynch Ninjabunnies. If you don't understand what I say here, you are not putting in any effort. Don't be lazy. Meta reads are only barely useful when you have NOTHING IN THE CURRENT GAME.
"Read my post because it matters. Only this game matters. NB was an easy lynch to you. Put in effort. No meta please."
Sounds like me in my first game where I was mafia.
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On December 12 2014 12:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all. my case is completely reasonable. That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first. Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present. Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote? This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer: On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.
Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.
Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.
@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.
The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either: Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto. you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb.
The point is that, since you're not dead, if you're town mafia knows they can RB you tonight.
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On December 12 2014 12:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 12:49 The_Templar wrote:On December 12 2014 12:48 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all. my case is completely reasonable. That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first. Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present. Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote? This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer: On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.
Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.
Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.
@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.
The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either: Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto. you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb. The point is that, since you're not dead, if you're town mafia knows they can RB you tonight. there's no guarantee they have a rb in the first place, do you know for certain they have one? even if that is the case that means that is no rb on our cop/doc/vigi which is a net positive anyway imo. you didn't even read my reasoning. i can tell.
Ehh, fair enough. I do not know whether they have a RB, but they could also just kill you with one of their likely multiple KP. If they do RB, they'd rather RB a confirmed shot instead of someone who might be a blue.
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Froggy's read on me isn't terrible. It shows a pattern at least.
Slam is town based on what I've heard on him.
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On December 12 2014 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 22:17 The_Templar wrote:
Froggy's read on me isn't terrible. It shows a pattern at least.
Slam is town based on what I've heard on him. a pattern of what? Its like bad, dunno why you are calling a scumread on you good for no reason. I really dont like it when people do that.
It shows a trend of my posts having less effort as I've become less busy. I think, though, that that's sort of misleading because that doesn't really indicate being scummy.
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On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote:[Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure] I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening. -------------------------------------------- Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim. This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3. -------------------------------------------- The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar. -------------------------------------------- Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 11:05 sicklucker wrote:On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes YES. He is of the 5. Holy slip batman! ##Vote: Tubesock
What do you think about Tubesock's recent play concerning me?
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On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote:
Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this.
What on earth can you get from that?
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