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On December 12 2014 15:49 rsoultin wrote:
Give me something better OWS and I'll change my vote.
Things generally don't "make" people mafia, anyway. It's usually about the whole picture.
See, the thing is that the points you listed don't really mean anything, even when you put them all together. How is he pushing mafia objectives? How can he only be doing these things as mafia? Why can't town!ritoky do these things? What are you comparing them to and why, why is it different and why does it make him scum in this circumstance?
Being able to personify his play and his arguments doesn't make him mafia. You might not be looking things to "make" someone mafia, but saying "the big picture" and then just listing the things he did doesn't really mean anything on its own.
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Had a break from work, thought I'd drop by.
On December 13 2014 05:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Xat, mass claiming was a thing on Arnies.
Anyway, I think it's an important topic to discuss at some point.
All I'm reading are things that don't really make people mafia, which worries me.
I can easily see HF as mafia in this game. I need a computer to properly show why.
I can basically agree with almost all of this post, and it's partly why I'm so lost.
Also agree with what Xatalos said about Vivax.
The ritoky push is really stupid and needs to stop. If he actually is mafia, everybody just made him impossible to lynch because nobody is going to lynch him after these awful present shenannies that don't mean anything.
I don't have time to fully analyze GB's case on HF, but it looked okay enough at a glance to consider looking into while I have time.
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I'm kind of tempted to lynch Vivax atm.
That last list post was pretty bad.
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On December 13 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also notice how gb has commented on multiple posts that had me as town in them and has started this day by saying "alert hf isn't dead" only to then only base the majority of his scum read on day 1 and a lot of it on my first post.
I also just destroyed his case and he ignored it and posted it up all over again. Dude is so 1 track mafia minded.
That's only the first part of his case, though.
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On December 13 2014 13:13 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to lynch Vivax atm.
That last list post was pretty bad. Not really its just the easy lynches tho. Hes so townie
That's not the problem.
Go through his filter. All of his scumreads are incredibly spaced out and based on flimsy evidence, and he never follows up on any of it. The only hard scumread he had all game was Xatalos, in yet he completely abandoned that push over a nonreason and hasn't given him any thought.
Think about scum's objectives and think about town's objectives. Scum's job is to pass suspicion across a large number of players in order to increase the mislynch pool. Town needs to find and lynch scum.
I really don't get the feeling that Vivax is out to lynch scum. His scumreads are way too hazy for that.
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On December 13 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 13 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also notice how gb has commented on multiple posts that had me as town in them and has started this day by saying "alert hf isn't dead" only to then only base the majority of his scum read on day 1 and a lot of it on my first post.
I also just destroyed his case and he ignored it and posted it up all over again. Dude is so 1 track mafia minded. That's only the first part of his case, though. What is? That post? Or you mean the part I'm commenting on? If it's the post he's literally posted the same thing twice which I've explained away a few pages ago. Bunnies and vivax were nothing alike and he's saying they are. If he has more to post then he's wasting his time.
The post you're commenting on is only the first part.
You're not going to sway anyone with rhetoric.
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On December 13 2014 13:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to lynch Vivax atm.
That last list post was pretty bad. What's bad about letting you know the synopsis of what I've been observing this game? I made a summary of different things I pointed out about different people, and instead of leaving it at that effectually achieving nothing cause I seem all over the place and with no clear goal, I'm trying to set a waypoint from where I officially want to go on for today's lynch. And since I talk about multiple people, it becomes a list post. Which isn't bad in itself if it has a foundation. It just looks like you're bitching about me formatting it as a list rather than the content.
I don't understand what you get out of setting a "waypoint." Clarify?
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On December 13 2014 13:18 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck man he even says I make no attempt at finding people's alignments but then quizzes me on someone I said had a scummy vote yesterday and I semi town read them and then he scum reads me for that. Only to now say I haven't updated my reads from that at all? Haha
That's cool.
Let him post the second part. Then you can tear it down relentlessly and I can analyze the value in what he's saying.
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On December 13 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 13 2014 13:18 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck man he even says I make no attempt at finding people's alignments but then quizzes me on someone I said had a scummy vote yesterday and I semi town read them and then he scum reads me for that. Only to now say I haven't updated my reads from that at all? Haha That's cool. Let him post the second part. Then you can tear it down relentlessly and I can analyze the value in what he's saying. I've told you I'm in Belgium so my posting is limited. If I don't comment on atrocities and nip them in the bud and point out glaring inconsistencies in posts as they come out then who the fuck will? Not like anyone reads wall of texts about posts being bad anymore. Why on earth are you shitting on multiple valid points that I'm bringing up?
I'm not shitting on anything. I just want to see the second part of GB's case before I start tackling this predicament.
I'm kind of annoyed that he's doing it this way, tbh. I'm probably not going to be able to look at it until after deadline which really upsets me.
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On December 13 2014 13:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 13 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 13 2014 13:18 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck man he even says I make no attempt at finding people's alignments but then quizzes me on someone I said had a scummy vote yesterday and I semi town read them and then he scum reads me for that. Only to now say I haven't updated my reads from that at all? Haha That's cool. Let him post the second part. Then you can tear it down relentlessly and I can analyze the value in what he's saying. I've told you I'm in Belgium so my posting is limited. If I don't comment on atrocities and nip them in the bud and point out glaring inconsistencies in posts as they come out then who the fuck will? Not like anyone reads wall of texts about posts being bad anymore. Why on earth are you shitting on multiple valid points that I'm bringing up? I'm not shitting on anything. I just want to see the second part of GB's case before I start tackling this predicament. I'm kind of annoyed that he's doing it this way, tbh. I'm probably not going to be able to look at it until after deadline which really upsets me. You're literally seeing I'm making valid points on why his case is awful and actually doesn't make any sense from anyone who had a thought process this game and how wrong it is, only to tell me to wait to criticise it altogether and then say you won't be able to even read it.?.???? Wtf
Words words words words words.
His case isn't done so I'm not discrediting it until I can see it in full. I can see what you're posting. It doesn't disappear from my memory when the second part hopefully comes out.
There is literally no reason for you to freak out about this.
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On December 13 2014 13:28 Holyflare wrote:
Now he's not even going to post anymore, OK
##vote gb
He just said he was at a party, and now he's drunk...
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I have no idea how this warrants a vote.
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Meh, I'm willing to let Vivax play things out a bit more.
I'll be watching.
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On December 13 2014 13:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 13 2014 13:28 Holyflare wrote:
Now he's not even going to post anymore, OK
##vote gb He just said he was at a party, and now he's drunk... ... I have no idea how this warrants a vote. Well I missed the end of his post. Doesn't stop me voting someone who is playing like mafia either way does it?
I'm kind of "eh" on the whole GB is mafia case right now.
@Vivax: that's cool. You're going to have to live with it though.
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Meh, I just think it's really obvious when I start switching into pure heuristics mode instead of looking at every single post in-depth. That's all.
I didn't really see how Vivax could have changed his read on Xat so fast just looking at his filter, but I'm thinking that has more to do with the post restrictions and the walls being more important because I find his defense mostly adequate.
It's so much harder to gather good reads when everyone is posting walls and speech isn't natural. That's, like, the best way for me to gather reads and it's so much harder for me right now because it's walls almost everywhere. I'm willing to give him more time because I found his defense adequate, but I really want to see him follow up on stuff because I'm putting a lot of faith in the more experienced players right now.
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I'm looking at his scumreads and I don't really know if I want to lynch any of them based on what he said.
That's kind of what bugs me most, I guess.
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Agreed with Xat on the gamestate and FF. I don't actually feel like FF is a high percentage mafia lynch, but if he's not going to play then he should probably die.
I'm kind of "eh" on a Tube lynch. Then again, I'm kind of "eh" on every lynch because I don't see good reasons to vote a lot of people, and I feel like someone being super annoying and crazy is probably town. Inconsistent persona is something...I guess.
Can someone explain the scumslip to me again?
I'll have about an hour to play after I get back from business later today, and I won't be around for deadline. I'll do what I can when I'm around.
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You died kush. Stop posting, geez.
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On December 14 2014 04:20 GlowingBear wrote:
TUBESOCK IS TOWN
VOTE HF WITH ME
THIS IS GOING TO BE A MISLYNCH
TUBESOCK CLEARLY FITS THE PARANOID TOWNIE PERSPECTIVE
HE ISN'T EVEN TRYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF, BUT PUSHING AN IMPOSSIBLE LYNCH. HE ISN'T TRYING TO DEFLECT TOWN TO THE SECOND WAGON.
VOTECOUNT CLEARLY SHOWS WASTED VOTES WHICH REINFORCES THE SCENARIO OF A MISLYNCH
CHANGE YOUR FUCKING VOTES RIGHT NOW
That doesn't mean anything, though.
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Actually, hold up. I misread that.
I swear I can't read to save my life this game.
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Why the fuck are Vivax/Oats wasting their votes?
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