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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 21:13 GMT
#1340
On December 11 2014 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like if it wAsint for that carol singer post I might be scared here. Like who randomly posts a video of themself carol singing it was a claim. Shes mafia back tracking.


not sure I agree with this first part but the back tracking part yeh

she's said "i might have to claim here" etc etc which eluded to having a role, posted the carol singers thing and then backtracked (still can't get over that -.-) etc etc and now it turns out she's just a disgruntled?


naaaaaaaaaaaaah bruv
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 21:43 GMT
#1369
On December 11 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 04:46 Holyflare wrote:
probably pretty bad that I haven't actually read ff yet then


Do you have a few minutes now to tell us what you think? Filter isn't very large.


doing that now, read kelsiers case and wasn't toooo impressed/thinking he was mafia from it but there was a quote from a case lonemeow made that was actually amazing where ff scum read bunnies then un scum read her because of the carol claim and then didn't reevaluate her after she said she wasn't claiming. THAT is actually very scummy

I also think it's very superficial for him to call out slam for wasting his posts when fecals filter until then wasn't even 1 liners it was literally single words and 1 liners, i.e. wasted posts.

On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Calvin, Calvin, calvin.

Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer

Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate.

Why are you fishing for marley specifically?



his first page of filter is pure spam/contentless (something he scum read templar for "fluff")
his second page is almost entirely setup talk about presents
his third page reads aren't exactly stellar either and contain a LOT of association reads which is really odd for someone that hasn't really commented on the game at all until this post and as you brought up before used the same metric to town read AND scum read someone which means that his reads aren't actually coherent with any kind of logical thinking with the game.

his templar push isn't awfullllll but it's not particularly groundbreaking and i'm not sure I like it and the fact that bunnies who is getting lynched right now and is at the forefront of all conversation doesn't feature in his reads AT ALL since her fake carol not real claim thing is actually really scummy and probably makes him mafia


tl:dr, I think he probably is mafia and here's why:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 14:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can I get a cliffnotes on the xatalos read?

This is my post 58 so unless you all start voting me I'm gonna lurk



I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town.

There's also this:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also, to waste another post because I think in such fragments, I think this makes 27NB town because the other carol singers (WHO SHOULD NOT CLAIM UNLESS THEY KNOW 27NB IS LYING) can out her at any point since they know who the other masons carol singers are.

##unvote


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 10 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason


I didn't.


Oh, ok. I'm a dum dum


He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation.

##Vote: Fecalfeast


hehe
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 21:49 GMT
#1372
On December 11 2014 06:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really care much for this nb wagon, but I don't really know where else I would deflect the vote.


when you actually want to play this game that would be cool because posts like these are awful and actually do make you look like mafia

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2014 06:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really care much for this nb wagon, but I don't really know where else I would deflect the vote.

On December 11 2014 03:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't know how you guys expect to get anything done if you don't sheep.

That's how you make lynches happen.

@kita: I don't really feel particularly strongly about bunnies either way. I think Koshi really hit a nail on the head when he asked if we could produce a towncase on her, and I really don't feel like I can make one. I don't feel like any of the arguments levied against her make her mafia and I like where my vote is right now.

But if nb dies...Meh. That's fine I guess.

On December 11 2014 01:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 01:09 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 11 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 11 2014 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'm going to have to look more into to get a better read on where Kelsier's mind is at.

As of now, I'd prob lynch Kelsier.


On December 10 2014 09:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Will give you some updated reads soon. It's taking longer to read than I thought.


On December 10 2014 09:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, So I think I'm just going to go through filters.


On December 10 2014 09:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'll reread your filter, but I as of now, I still don't like you.

#Unvote: Ritoky
#Vote: KelsierSC


On December 10 2014 09:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:
The only one I currently have on my "Scum/people to look at list" is Kelsier


On December 10 2014 10:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, So I'm pretty muchcaught up. I have nothing really to discuss about past pages


Umm so in a 90 minute period, you mention five different times how you need to spend time reading Kelsier because he is your number on scum suspect. Now you that claim to have caught up, did you forget about him or....?


I don't like this post. No conclusion makes me a sad panda.

You're breaking my heart, kita.


No conclusion? I'm voting for bunnies and then pointing out that she fails to comment about her only scum read after promising multiple times.


Maybe.

Idk.

I might just be getting paranoid.

On December 10 2014 12:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can someone explain the nb votes to me like I'm dumb? I feel like I missed something but I don't know what that is. I can't remember the points against her being spectacular in the first place.

Also kind of weirded out by the fact that Koshi apparently knows my meta now. His read on me is generally inaccurate/based on me posting big meaty posts, so having him come out and say "OWS is useless and could be scum" when he loves to give me tons of leeway is strange.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 21:59 GMT
#1375
On December 11 2014 06:51 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm tempted to move over to Fecal for the sake of wagon of justice.


still want to kill bunnies tbh
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 22:01 GMT
#1376
obi how about actually putting in some effort for a change, you're a waste of a spot at the moment and are constantly saying how this is a mislynch with absolutely 0 reasons why
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 22:06 GMT
#1379
On December 11 2014 07:04 Trfel wrote:
Explanation of 27ninjabunnies vote:

I'm currently on page 40. I was definitely not ready for the amount of posts that would be in a game with so few people. But at this rate, I will not be able to catch up in the thread by the voting deadline.

I will keep checking the voting thread, and if it seems that 27ninjabunnies comes closer to not being lynched, I will change my vote.


so your vote is just being placed on the leading wagon or are you sheeping someone specifically?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 22:11 GMT
#1386
bats you're supposed to be stopping me from policying people?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 22:15 GMT
#1395
On December 11 2014 07:13 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
bats you're supposed to be stopping me from policying people?


If we're policying someone I missed it.


so you're just quoting his town game because of what...? it's 45 mins to deadline and he pops up before it and you start posting something that seemingly is "opposite" to what he just did. One can only assume you meant to do that to get him lynched/policy?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 10 2014 22:45 GMT
#1415
it's pretty quiet right now
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 01:32 GMT
#1453
On December 11 2014 10:17 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 08:43 Trfel wrote:
On December 11 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:
On December 11 2014 08:33 Trfel wrote:
Ok, this isn't working out.

What are some good strategies to effectively playing in a Mafia game that is this long, and has this many players? A lot of filter reading and note-taking, or what?

Focus on a couple people that you know. Or some reads you trust. And go from there.

Vivax and Holyflare seem to be town for now (or at least, my biggest townreads at the moment). However, I'm not sold on the Xatalos scumread yet. I will definitely take another look at that when I can.

I will add batsnacks and Fecalfeast to my list of tentative townreads.

Need to head out now, but the main people I plan on investigating are Koshi, Damdred, Xatalos, LightningStrike, Tubesock, and KelsierSC.


Can you explain your poopfeast420 read because a lot of people have the opposite read
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 01:37 GMT
#1454
On December 11 2014 08:21 liancourt wrote:
well kel is now 100% mafia


I wouldn't say 100% but he's very likely mafia for all the things he was saying pre-flip
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 01:54 GMT
#1455
On December 11 2014 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 08:21 liancourt wrote:
well kel is now 100% mafia


I wouldn't say 100% but he's very likely mafia for all the things he was saying pre-flip


hmmmm but this means he like mega bussed ff...............
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 02:40 GMT
#1471
On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why?


you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 02:51 GMT
#1478
On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why?


you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about


you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so.


stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug

I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am.


you are mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 03:06 GMT
#1482
On December 11 2014 11:56 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why?


you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about


you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so.


stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug

I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am.


you are mafia


OMGUS, not angry, content on a stagnant read lynch, 0 development on bunnies read even after she posted, pushing other people but not moving your vote...thank you for making up my mind for me. you're feigning townie things, you're mafia.


i don't see how anyone in their right mind who was reading this game could think any of those things about me, I posted about 700 times on bunnies after she returned with new info every time and you're telling me that finding other mafia while I sit on someone I think is mafia makes ME mafia

roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 03:33 GMT
#1487
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is

also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping

I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 04:08 GMT
#1491
On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is

also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping

I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.


she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.

further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia.


So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness)

I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead.

I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw.




On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.


I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes.



ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast
27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel
Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, Koshi
The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy
sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi
ObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultin
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslam
sicklucker (0): LightningStrike
liancourt (0): LightningStrike
GlowingBear (1): Damdred
Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC
KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam
Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesock
froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky


kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts

gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 17:53 GMT
#1541
On December 12 2014 00:21 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 11:25 ritoky wrote:
because holyflare is a very capable mafia player who can appear extremely town as mafia. about 2 games ago he sold me hook line and sinker; so i have a huge skepticism toward him forever now.

also town holyflare is angry and salty and tells people their reads are atrocious. mafia holyflare is more calm.


Ritoky, do you have links to these games? I have not played with Holyflare (or really a lot of the players here) before.


I don't know why you're asking this when he's already contradicted himself in the same paragraph.

"Holyflare is good at mafia and sold me hook line and sinker"
"Holyflare's mafia game is more calm than town"

He used the same read in that game (hearthstone mafia, it's in my profile) and if I could apparently fool him in that game then it's absolutely not my meta and he's pushing something that he himself believes to be false. Aka. He's mafia.

Glad I can have 20 extra posts though that's cool.

Koshi, explain wtf this is about

On December 11 2014 05:13 Koshi wrote:
There are major signs that this is a town lynch. But what can we do?


since when are you content to let things just slide when you think it's a town lynch????

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 20:24 GMT
#1562
On December 12 2014 05:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hf's post on every single person off the nb wagon being suspicious is really weird, but I can kind of see it from town.

If he keeps spreading his scumreads out like that, be wary.

I don't understand why Oats still had his vote on Vivax either, especially after he called Vivax town earlier.

Also, am conducting a reread. Will be back and forth a couple of times. Will answer questions and whatnot.


I never said they were all really weird I said i'd need to look into them to see if they gave reasons for being on it/not being on it. Being the sole vote on a person is really a waste of a vote and a very likely place for mafia to be
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 23:40 GMT
#1622
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-

Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/

2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill
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