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On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.  1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow.
No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all.
Let's move on to the next topic.
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On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here?
I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want
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On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts."
Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them.
But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum.
Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this?
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On December 14 2014 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:
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1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot.
2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer.
I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? He could have but it would have 8/8 with kelsier still lynched since he hit 8 first
His vote + another mafia on Kelsier wagon could keep him alive and kill possible town!holyflare
Which means:
1) KelsierSC wagon was pure town
2) Kelsier was bussed to give someone towncred
3) HF is also mafia.
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On December 14 2014 11:48 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, FF...you're praising him for stating the obvious. There literally are no other options. He just said:
Either scum voted for town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was scum
That post is a completely useless insight lol.
All you're doing is bashing on most everything I post. You want to discuss things that aren't to be discussed but does not propose another topic. That is not so obvious. You're making my post looks less informative than it really is.
Kelsier keeping his vote on fecal feast is indicative of ff being town, but you seem not to care.
You were also discrediting my case on HF but you now want him to flip/ thinks he might be scum.
Really, you're looking really bad to my eyes.
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Like, if you think Kelsier was bussed, you have to start looking who pushed his lynch the most, so he looks good. It's simply as that.
It would put triforce on a bad position.
I don't see Kelsier trying to get lynched instead of someone else. His gameplay here is nothing alike Tolkien's gameplay on hearthstone mafia or damdreds vigi claim on titanic vi. There was no scum motive to bus his partner. Triforce was also out of suspicious when he brought that case up.
Which makes the bus less probable if HF is town.
You fail to see how this is importantly related to something you call obvious but does not try to give thoughts in that direction.
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The advice marv gave was to damdred, and it was about listening to what people are saying. Nothing else.
I also never said I was wrong about you and froggy. I said I couldn't find you explicitly calling him scum. I found you calling his entrance out and saying he looks terrible for wasting his vote.
Then you completely ignore those three people you said looked terrible.
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On December 15 2014 06:17 Alakaslam wrote:Then he claimed sc
No he didn't
Stop talking about his shitty claim, we will now what will happen after the nightkills.
I just ask you guys to be careful. In case I die, it means nothing regarding HFs alignment. Don't fall into WIFOM with the night kills.
Anyway, I think I'll head the other way. If HF is mafia, I have this association that froggy noddy is mafia with him. So instead of going against HF tomorrow, I'll go against froggy noddy.
By the way, if we have a vigi (which I don't think so), froggynoddy is an okay target.
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On December 15 2014 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 06:22 sicklucker wrote:
I think santa should check his list twice on vivax. I think their is probably a mafia between him and xata. Like plz let them fight all day rusputin dont break that shit up. I also think there is scum between vivax and xat
Why exactly?
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On December 15 2014 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
I've got to get ready for work so feel free to berate my shitty reads while I'm not here, I may not make it back by EoN so here's my list for now.
Vivax, HF, Xat, HTS
my scum reads going into the next day because they were the main proponents of the wagon on me. Vivax and HF mentioned NKs to justify a scumread on me right away, I didn't look deeper to see who else used NK logic but these two said shit right out of the gate. Vivax unvoted me before kelsier put his vote on me, then voted me again after. xat was the last one to take his vote off me.
HTS honestly is a gut read and pretty weak.
I'm not going through the first day/night again so if there's anything in there that makes this list stupid let me know.
Slam SL truffles liancourt top towns for me
You were easily sheeping me and I'm not your top town.
Dude.
Duuude.
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On December 15 2014 06:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Something is seriously wrong here.
I have two people on the HF wagon as townreads and two others are claimed roles.
...
And they are??
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Oh, I just remembered the game where I went full force against oats and Vivax was in there. I was scum.
He couldn't possibly change his vote to Kelsier because I looked like a townie certain of my read. That's bullshit.
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2kp.
Is there a mafia rolecop?
Holyflare, claim Veteran or I'll lynch you.
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On December 15 2014 09:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
2kp.
Is there a mafia rolecop?
Holyflare, claim Veteran or I'll lynch you. we killed mafias third kp yesterday
He only kills claimed disgruntled. It's a mechanic to prevent mass claim, I suppose.
There is still a mass murderer. A shot was roleblocked/hit the veteran.
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Or mass murderer decided not to shoot lol.
I find hard to believe obi didn't try to shoot. I mean, wtf.
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By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"?
His check was obvious not on Kelsier.
Hm.
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On December 15 2014 09:52 sicklucker wrote:
Theres no mass murderer im like 95%+ sure. Your right holyflare is totally the veteran that explains everything and if hes not hes certainly gonna claim it...
There IS a mass murderer considering quantity of dead people day1
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On December 15 2014 09:55 rsoultin wrote:GB, I'm going to give you a minute to read before calling you an idiot.  Or scum. You will find the answer if you haven't already.
What am I missing?
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Oh so Trfel had a green check on FF.
This makes things easier.
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On December 15 2014 08:05 batsnacks wrote:
What about ritoky though?
##vote: ritoky
You can't vote ritoky if you think HF is mafia.
C'mon.
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