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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:08 GMT
#971
On November 28 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Please do. I'm on your shit list which means I have a good chance to be mafia according to you. So please outline your read on me so you'll actually be culpable for something this game. As it stands nothing in your filter is a real stance on anything.

If you think that I haven't given reads this game then you did not read it. It is that simple.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:11 GMT
#975
On November 28 2014 11:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
One of the first things JAT said resonated with me (even though I don't trust JAT either):
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 18:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On November 27 2014 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
On November 26 2014 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:
Disclaimer: I won't be able to be as active as I was in FFL 2 which was ridiculous. I am currently working fulltime and all I had to do while that game happened was studying at home. The deadline is generally really really nice but I might miss it during the weekend.



only time he can't make deadlines are weekends deadline is really really nice


where is jat? answer is mafialand qqing that he rolled mafia in here with a full time job

On November 27 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
how do I not have a case on either?

One player said the deadlines were PERFECT for him and then didn't turn up when ordinarily he'd be enthusiastic about the game starting and at least post something.

Another player literally didn't want to comment on anything I said and has only talked about russia (which is fine on its own) but he was all defensive when I told him to comment on it or he was next


1) Since when am I afraid to post as scum? Horseshit. The lineup in heavyweight wasn't really that much worse than this one.
2) If I was there in the mafia qt why would I not simply post something in the thread. Ah, I forgot. Cos I'm afraid...
3) I wasn't around for game start in several of my towngames. The only thing you can conclude from that is that I am absent/asleep whatever.

Yes, I said the deadline is nice for me. Because it is. Often times deadline is much later than this midnight deadline for me. It makes it possible to stay up when it gets important but I don't see why you think I would keep myself awake after midnight just for the start of the game.

On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.

2) Defensiveness isn't really a scumtell when you're threatening to lynch people off of very little. I fail to see how what you said dictates his alignment.


not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked game

i'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked"

look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway
look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves

what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever

I am not believing for a second that this is your read on me.
On November 27 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
On November 27 2014 11:00 geript wrote:
No my question is valid HF. Do you really think there's a scum team that doesn't include any of those 5? Like there's at least 6 people in this game who are wholly capable of hard carrying as scum. Odds of no vets being mafia, aka scrub scum team, is quite low. idk if shaopi rng's or get balances. Like there are only a handful of people who shit bricks when they roll mafia.

Look HF. I'm not saying your point on him not being around considering deadline isn't interesting. My point is the scared shitless argument is crap and you know it.


no it's irrelevant because unless all the vets are mafia they will be against some vets and therefore be fucked

if i was mafia with marv/me/wave or w/e i would still say fuck this shit as soon as i entered and be super demotivated and i probably would have just gone to bed, heck just look at all the pre-game hype about people wanting to not roll mafia

the "we're fucked" thing is totally not the point I am making at all it was just to counter obi's trivial point about jat being motivated to post as mafia when that wouldn't probably be the case at all with pm's an hour+ before deadlines

I also don't believe this at all.

So Holyflare is pushing something that isn't scummy really hard here. If he keeps doing that then he is probably mafia by his own selfmeta.

Oh, btw. don't you think that is much more scummy to be here in the thread without posting anything even remotely useful than to be completely absent? Like marv did for example?

Yes, this post is all defense and the beginning of a stupid shitfight with HF, but it's mostly true. ESPECIALLY the part where he says he doesn't believe HF's read of him.

If you'll recall I said:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 10:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
You're trying too hard bbygrl


As far as forced things go, this whole deal of his looked SUPER forced. Of course the problem becomes HF can certainly do that shit as town, and what does it hope to gain him as scum? On the other hand there are definitely blatant lies within HF's early posting (such has himself being demotivated if he rolled scum---yeah he gets a little annoyed sometimes but ALWAYS plays it out. Like me. And he would NEVER let it show in thread.) Same problem though---I've seen him lie as town before (can't remember if he's aware he is doing it or not even when I point it out to him.)

Again conclusion is I don't feel like delving into this shit and we should be lynching him.

I like this post and am actually surprised that noone else ever said something about that.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:13 GMT
#976
On November 28 2014 18:08 Holyflare wrote:
Have you also ditched your rayn read completely even though you proved he was lying? You didn't mention anything about rayn when you were disagreeing with marvs list.

No, I explicitly said that I agree with the rest of his reads which includes rayn. I proved that he was lying but it would be such a stupid move for him to do as mafia to try and attack me with that and then admit that he was wrong afterwards that I have trouble seeing this world.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:15 GMT
#980
On November 28 2014 18:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 18:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On November 28 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Please do. I'm on your shit list which means I have a good chance to be mafia according to you. So please outline your read on me so you'll actually be culpable for something this game. As it stands nothing in your filter is a real stance on anything.

If you think that I haven't given reads this game then you did not read it. It is that simple.


Yes please stop making useless posts like this where you halter the discussion all over again and get to actually discussing your scum read on me.

What if I don't? I think I will just ignore you and your incessant nitpicking on minor things.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:16 GMT
#981
On November 28 2014 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
Like me making a case about you with 0 posts and then attacking you and dropping the attack afterwards?

#dounlestandards

That's very different and you know it. Stupid post.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:19 GMT
#984
On November 28 2014 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
This is really not fucking minor jat. You have 1 original content spree of posts and that's on me which is fucking simple to do when i made a laughable case on you based on you not even posting. The rest of your game does not exist, it's just simply not there.

That is your opinion and frankly I don't care about it. I will start working now so why don't you try to figure rayn out? I don't remember you interacting with him much.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:22 GMT
#988
On November 28 2014 18:21 Holyflare wrote:
It's a simple question, outline your case on me. It should be a simple answer of a few lines that just outlines your thoughts. It's the easiest thing in the world to do if you're town. Why is it like drawing blood out of a stone?

Maybe you should look at my very first post in this game. It still stands. I will not answer you again on this.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:27 GMT
#991
On November 28 2014 18:24 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh the post where you say the stuff I'm doing is not alignment indicative ok jat

##unvote
##vote justanothertownie



There is nothing like this in that post but nice try.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:32 GMT
#995
On November 28 2014 18:28 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 18:27 justanothertownie wrote:
On November 28 2014 18:24 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh the post where you say the stuff I'm doing is not alignment indicative ok jat

##unvote
##vote justanothertownie



There is nothing like this in that post but nice try.


I just quoted the exact place where you said this

Which is a different post.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:33 GMT
#996
On November 28 2014 18:31 Holyflare wrote:
Didn't I completely drop that case as soon as you returned anyway? I'm almost 100% sure I did which further should outline that it wasn't a proper push.

The fact that you dropped it doesn't make it any less scummy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 09:41 GMT
#1005
On November 28 2014 18:34 Holyflare wrote:
But no. You've done no legwork to see whether that was the case. You don't want me to outline what I think about you. All you do is try and shut down anything productive when I talk to you and shy away from ever giving out elaborated scum reads even on me you don't even have a scum read becauae you shut down your whole case when you said it's not alignment indicative

I did NOT say it wasn't alignment indicative. I said that I wasn't absolutely sure what it was at that point but your play since then does not suggest that you are town.
End of discussion.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:04 GMT
#1019
On November 28 2014 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
I'm starting to think there's a decent chance jat is mafia, he's really prickly and actually pretty unproductive all round.


Since when does me being prickly mean that I am mafia? If you don't townread me then I get that but you should by no means have a scumread on me at all. I didn't do much this game because my time is limited but I commented on things and I tried to work with you. Like I said the first time I will be able to really take a closer look at this game will be later today.
If you disagree with anything I said then say so and tell me why. If you are so sure that HF is town then show me why because I don't see it at all. If you want my opinion on anything then ask me.
I think that you are probably town and if you are really scumreading me then something in this game has gone really wrong.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:16 GMT
#1022
On November 28 2014 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not so sure that HF is town, but what I just said about your read on him still stands. I'm aware you have work but normally you're proactive/active as town, and a bit more behind and snipey as mafia.

I don't really understand at all why you continue to antagonise HF like you are, I don't get it at all.

"go back and read my first post" is a really shit basis for a scumread jat. yes you said that.

Yes, I did and I meant it. Look at the posts I quoted in my first post. HF says he believes I would be demotivated to post as mafia. Do you think that's true? Do you think HF believes that? Because I don't.
HF says he would be too demotivated to post as mafia and would have went to bed instead. Do you believe this? I don't.

The way how he is pushing things like this in general seems malicious and nitpicky to me and it doesn't matter if he backed off of that. Does not look like town HF to me. I generally agree with most of the things he says when he is town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:17 GMT
#1023
On November 28 2014 20:16 marvellosity wrote:
Really really bugged by geript jumping on Obi like that. Arg.

Yeah, that was kinda weird.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:25 GMT
#1026
On November 28 2014 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
still don't mind the rest of his filter though. hmmph.

jat if you're making a case based on HF's early push on you then that's just silly. Pretty sure rayn (and others) pointed it out but HF makes retardo hard pushes fairly regularly at the start of games.

And of course it matters that he backed off it.

I think I can absolutely scumread him if I don't think he has done anything that he couldn't have done as scum afterwards. And I don't remember a retardo push like that from him.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:30 GMT
#1028
On November 28 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
like there's virtually nothing in the last few pages of your filter addressing GB, or Damdred, or practically anyone other than arguing with HF and sometimes talking to me

why?

if you have enough time to post 40 times arguing with HF then you have enough time to do those things, even if just to a small degree.

Theoretically. I didn't even really have the time to argue with HF and shouldn't have done so but he is just annoying me too much.
I will give you an opinion on Damdred/GB once I reread them which will be later. I don't remember anything about them despite GB accusing Superbia for being a big wall poster which was bad and people pointing out that Elvis played differently than he did in his recent towngames which I agree was the case.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:32 GMT
#1029
On November 28 2014 20:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 20:25 justanothertownie wrote:
On November 28 2014 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
still don't mind the rest of his filter though. hmmph.

jat if you're making a case based on HF's early push on you then that's just silly. Pretty sure rayn (and others) pointed it out but HF makes retardo hard pushes fairly regularly at the start of games.

And of course it matters that he backed off it.

I think I can absolutely scumread him if I don't think he has done anything that he couldn't have done as scum afterwards. And I don't remember a retardo push like that from him.

So why are you shocked that I might be scumreading you?

What have you done that you can't have done as scum?

I have something about HF that I think is scumindicative. I just presented that to you. Like I said if you don't townread me that is not shocking to me. But you don't have anything scumindicative about me. That is literally impossible.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:34 GMT
#1031
On November 28 2014 20:33 marvellosity wrote:
you do realise scumminess is, in large part, absence of towniness, right?

To a degree.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:34 GMT
#1032
Which is why you shouldn't townread HF.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
November 28 2014 11:37 GMT
#1034
On November 28 2014 20:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On November 28 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
like there's virtually nothing in the last few pages of your filter addressing GB, or Damdred, or practically anyone other than arguing with HF and sometimes talking to me

why?

if you have enough time to post 40 times arguing with HF then you have enough time to do those things, even if just to a small degree.

Theoretically. I didn't even really have the time to argue with HF and shouldn't have done so but he is just annoying me too much.
I will give you an opinion on Damdred/GB once I reread them which will be later. I don't remember anything about them despite GB accusing Superbia for being a big wall poster which was bad and people pointing out that Elvis played differently than he did in his recent towngames which I agree was the case.


This is bull shit because all I quite clearly asked for was for you to elaborate your read on me and you decided not to and it took 2 pages for you to say look at page 1

That's quite clearly not what happened and I won't go into that again.
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