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geript

10024 Posts

December 02 2014 23:51 GMT

#3268

On December 03 2014 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
like i really thought sn0 was doctor because his absolute laziness all game ------> claim made such perfect sense

but then i didn't know who 2 mafia were

TBH, your townread on him was the main reason why I realized he was blue.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:00 GMT

#3277

I'm going to say this, FWIW, Shiaopi is a great host. I think his setups are really bad, but everything that I've seen of his hosting is top notch. Just the setups are my only issue with him as a host.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:03 GMT

#3282

On December 03 2014 08:55 marvellosity wrote:
I wonder if I could have caught geript for his repeated ignoring of my insistence that he compare Sn0's play to his mafia play.

I kinda just put it down to geript being bad at the time, maybe i need to up my expectations for geript and hold him to them.

I honestly don't know how this differed from my town play. I know it did somehow. I don't know if how I meta people as town or scum is different but I feel like it is. I think how I push people is different too. It's a bit easier posting as scum once you stop caring about what you post.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:05 GMT

#3285

On December 03 2014 09:01 Damdred wrote:
Everyone who funneled me makes me sad

Sry. I was scum though... it was kinda my job.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:10 GMT

#3287

On December 03 2014 09:05 marvellosity wrote:
tbh geript even though we've played quite a few games together over quite a long time period, i don't really know your play at all.

it's actually quite weird.

Really? That's a big surprise.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:12 GMT

#3290

On December 03 2014 09:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
geript's glee when palmar counterclaimed felt really off to me

Nah, I would've been that happy if I had been town. I would've wanted to lynch the crap out of you for how you played (or more appropriately didn't play). Like don't ever play blue like that again. It's really bad

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:17 GMT

#3294

On December 03 2014 09:11 marvellosity wrote:

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never even read that passage of play properly, which probably didn't help ;p

I find it kinda funny Marv. Because I'm the type of player that has to read and reread a million times. Honestly, that was the toughest thing for me to do as mafia because there's no real joy in finding mafia. It's a real drag to read and reread when I'm looking for odd things.

I was really hoping the HF wouldn't come out until later in D2. I really wanted to see if I could get him lynched.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:35 GMT

#3299

On December 03 2014 09:33 GlowingBear wrote:
My mislynch was bad by the way

Actually it wasn't that terrible. It's hard early on finding a groove that makes you town.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:35 GMT

#3301

Hey Marv, we should do a podcast on mafia. Maybe get DP involved too?

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:37 GMT

#3303

One thing that I did find was kinda funny about this game was that Rayn, Palmer and I were never in thread or in QT at the same time for most of the game. Like we all were on different schedules and they never really met up until the end.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:38 GMT

#3305

On December 03 2014 09:37 Holyflare wrote:
HAH

You can join in too. It'd be fun to analyze the game and shit.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:39 GMT

#3307

On December 03 2014 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
something that sounds nice geript, but i'm moving this weekend and general christmas things means i'll never actually find the time to do it :/

Hmmm. Maybe I can get a game like Shadow going and we can do a podcast after the game.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 00:47 GMT

#3317

TBH Marv, I think I might have posted more if I were town. Does that help?

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 03:38 GMT

#3337

I will say that this game was extra frustrating from the start. I was a bit concerned that we got a vig from the start. Then we were doing well; Palmer didn't get lynched. I got HF and Marv to sheep me on D1 only to have ants in pants syndrome; I felt like I needed to vote so I had to pull over to while driving back home as everybody moved onto the miller. FUUUUCCCCKK. IDK what it is, but I think like every time I'm mafia (except for the first) the miller has been lynched on D1. N2 started out well, I ran my D&D game and checked back before I started driving back. I think I got into it with Sent or somebody. I ended up staying up a while because I couldn't sleep because my sleep schedule got screwed up and SCGlive wasn't doing it's usual work. Rayn goes crazy for no reason and I realize that I've now got extra work on my hands; but it's to some extent a blessing because I get to talk about shit and go crazy with it and none of it will be applicable in the morning. So I try and promote the Rayn is town scenario just to help get everyone on the wrong track. People will forget most of the Rayn is town stuff, I'll look super towny; all my shit will make sense and even better I can't be called out on any. The plus side is that if HF isn't blue, then I might be able to swing a lynch on him with Wave/Iamp dying; in the least it's worth sowing the seed. As an additional bonus, I convinced most people that Palmer's play is in line with his town play; as it's a Marv read, I get extra credit because I can't really be at fault for other people sheeping it. The fun thing about it is that it makes enough sense given how not-towny most of town is being. D2 is really weird. I knew Rayn would incriminate Damdred; that plus the shenannies on D1 should get him lynched. Most likely town won't really try hard at all and just let this mislynch pass. The problem is that I knew I wouldn't do nothing as town. Plus I have to deal with HF claiming tracker. So I have to figure out who he tracked (it wasn't obvious initially); I don't think it was until the start of N3. I have to deal with how to respond to HF claiming tracker; feels really sketch because he's literally providing nothing but nobody else wants to doubt him on this type of shit he'd pull as any alignment (or role for that matter). Game plan: rock the boat some, get Sn0 lynched if possible; settle for Damdred if needed. It's really been perfect. Sn0 claims and Palmer countered; nobody believe Sn0 so that's effectively 3 mislynches I've setup (one with minor help) and we have 2/3rds of the blues out in the open. I initially want to kill HF/Marv, but then realize that whatever blue it is could be a major issue and want to kill it. Palmer disagrees. Stupid setups happen I guess. I think I should've overruled Palmer because I had a good read on 2/3rds of the blues up to that point and hitting both blues, leaving Marv alive, then lynching Sn0 would've been epic.

Overall review of town, honestly I think the real problem is that so few people projected towniness well. GB had points where I found him towny, Sent too. Super and Sn0 I'd have been happy to lynch if I had been town. Palmer I never fucking know what to do with. I know Wave bitches/hates the fact that he's good at projecting towniness but bad at finding scum. The honest truth is that just being "towny" and being easily perceived as being "towny" is tough. Like being unlynchable because you're so towny is huge. It's a huge benefit.

Granted I try to find scum differently than many people, but I've found that it's far easier and often far more correct to narrow your lynch pool. This game is a bit of an anomaly because there were 2 active scum who were able to come off as super towny and didn't bus each other or the third really. But in general, if you are able to remove 3-4 other players as being town in a mini then you can get a really good lynch off. Narrowing it down to a 50/50 or better is pretty good and it gets better later on. It's weird though because (even as scum) I couldn't find solid reasons for a lot of people to actually be town; then on top if it, I found things that were different about HF so I could retract my townread on him.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 08:16 GMT

#3344

On December 03 2014 13:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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Seriously. I can't tell you how much trouble I've had with this in the past, so having someone act like it's not even a thing to not get lynched ever is kinda lame.

Plus, Wave found rayn with relative ease and got him to modkill himself. That's like the crowning achievement of mafia: if you can play to the point where you can get a member of the opposite alignment to modkill themselves, you won the game so hard the scoreboard turned into diamonds.

I don't think wave had a solid scum read on Rayn fwiw. In many regards, becoming unlynchable takes time. It is in part an extension of experience. It is in part showing your ability to hard carry a game. It is in part the amount of quantifiable effort you put into a game. To explain, veteran players who have any reasonable history of carrying a game (Hapa, Marv, VE, HF, Palmer, Austin, Kita, Foolishness, Keirathi, BH, etc) are just less likely to be lynched because of the downside of being wrong. After you play a bunch of games, you consciously or not get a feel for things that people find towny and things people find scummy. As well, over time you learn how to construct an argument that people find appealing. Honestly, half of looking towny is recognizing other towny individuals and the other half is recognizing individuals who are scummy. That way you organize yourselves into groups that naturally separate town and scum. The last part is effort. For most people, solving a puzzle is far more enjoyable than trying to trick people. So in general, town tries harder than mafia. So when you put in 8 pages of filter including obvious reading/thinking/analyzing you naturally look more towny. Like look at the variety of meta points I used to frame arguments. Sn0 was being useless, not helping, not reading and barely paying attention by his filter. Then I showed his town game included many of those things. It wasn't a simple lurker/asshole not productive argument which didn't work. It showed more effort than just "let's lynch scummy person X." Even Marvs argument on Damdred wasnt a rehash of my case on him. It was all that stuff, close mislynch and circumstantial Rayn information.

Long story short, being towny is a lot like giving a memorable gift. The gift needs to be something of value; the gift needs to show sacrifice on the part of the giver; and the giver needs to mean something to the recipient.

geript

10024 Posts

December 04 2014 00:56 GMT

#3383

I'm not going to lie. I'm disappointed by my low post count.

geript

10024 Posts

December 04 2014 01:03 GMT

#3386

I guess mine is a wraith? I never really paid attention to what is what.

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