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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:30 GMT
#2843
Framer, Rolecop, RB seems fine, but that assumes a Vet exists (making Framer essentially a goon).
@JAT. I need to know this 100%. Are you masoned with anyone?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:31 GMT
#2844
On December 02 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote:
What's the point of that post, geript?

Thinking out loud. It helps me organize my thoughts.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:33 GMT
#2846
JAT? You here?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:49 GMT
#2860
Because that means that who HF tracked is one of the following:
Miller
Parity Cop
Role Cop

Wait, starting masons, weird. guess it didn't matter. It gives us the setup. Setup could be something like: Doc, Tracker, Miller x2, Vet vs RB, Framer, Rolecop OR Doc, Tracker, Miller vs RB, Framer, Goon. The first would be odd with 2 protective roles and I think I've run a setup almost exactly like the second. Or it could be something like: JK, Tracker, Parity Cop, Miller x1-2 vs RB, Rolecop, Framer. I've seen the setup before somewhere (maybe BH ran it) where JK in theory balances out the double investigative role because you can't both protect and investigate. It's a counter wifom setup.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:51 GMT
#2864
On December 02 2014 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
so it could be possible we have doc/jk if tracker is our investigative role, because it's super weak

Doc/JK/Tracker??? That seems pretty broken. Even if tracker is weak. 2 healing roles is crazy strong.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:52 GMT
#2868
On December 02 2014 08:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 08:49 geript wrote:
Because that means that who HF tracked is one of the following:
Miller
Parity Cop
Role Cop

Wait, starting masons, weird. guess it didn't matter. It gives us the setup. Setup could be something like: Doc, Tracker, Miller x2, Vet vs RB, Framer, Rolecop OR Doc, Tracker, Miller vs RB, Framer, Goon. The first would be odd with 2 protective roles and I think I've run a setup almost exactly like the second. Or it could be something like: JK, Tracker, Parity Cop, Miller x1-2 vs RB, Rolecop, Framer. I've seen the setup before somewhere (maybe BH ran it) where JK in theory balances out the double investigative role because you can't both protect and investigate. It's a counter wifom setup.

2 wandering Millers seems unlikely, no?

No, in a setup like that Tracker gets downplayed because they have to actually figure out any information they find.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:52 GMT
#2869
On December 02 2014 08:51 marvellosity wrote:
didn't we have a miller flip already?

yes
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:55 GMT
#2873
On December 02 2014 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
2 miller just seems unbelievably unlikely in a 13 man setup

In a setup with 2 investigative roles, I don't think so. My usual rule of thumb for trackers is that they need an equal number of town and mafia to be able to track. I wouldn't balk at 2 millers but 1 is fine there too.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 01 2014 23:56 GMT
#2875
On December 02 2014 08:53 marvellosity wrote:
tracker is already easily weakest out of cop/watcher/tracker already

Yes but it almost assures a useful investigative result by D3 by having Tracker/Parity. It's balancing. Either way, we're on a tangent.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 00:02 GMT
#2885
On December 02 2014 08:56 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 08:55 geript wrote:
On December 02 2014 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
2 miller just seems unbelievably unlikely in a 13 man setup

In a setup with 2 investigative roles, I don't think so. My usual rule of thumb for trackers is that they need an equal number of town and mafia to be able to track. I wouldn't balk at 2 millers but 1 is fine there too.

How do 2 wandering millers make sense though? According to your logic the second investigative role would be another tracker then...

I love trackers, but part of tracking is that it requires both reading the game (to read who to track) and reading the result. The upside of it is that on a good track it can give you a 100% red check. Parity Cop is really strong in mini's because if it survives it literally owns the game and is exceptionally hard to fakeclaim. On D3 Parity cop should know 2 greens or 1 red and on D4 it flat out solves the game. Essentially, you're replacing a random blue like Vet or Named VT in favor of a weak investigative role, but because you have a strong medic and a strong investigative role you need to weaken town's ability to flat out win by blue play should mafia not get lucky with back-to-back-to-back blue hits.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 00:04 GMT
#2890
On December 02 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
so a mafia with a vig and a rber and a framer would be op right?

Mafia Vig is OP. Last time I saw one was in Bluelightz? They can claim at any point and pretty much win so long as they don't get checked or endgamed by a cop check. They're like masons in this game (not normal masons) stupid dumb broke. Normal mason would be fine in this game. It's like Named VT with a bonus.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 00:15 GMT
#2894
On December 02 2014 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
parity can be against a framer and a gf in this setup so it's not particularly THAT strong

I don't think GF and Framer are usually paired up together. But that's actually really interesting. I'm going to have to think about that for a future game.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 00:32 GMT
#2896
Can't do alignment cop in a mini unless it's 1-shot. Otherwise it's more about great scum play or lucky night actions.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 00:47 GMT
#2897
While we're going into crazy setup world, is there is there any setup that could have JK, doc and framer? Like even framed, rolecop, vig would be heavily tow favored right?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 01:10 GMT
#2900
On December 02 2014 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
geript, you have many assertions that aren't particularly true dear

I've been hosting much more than you as of late dear. I have a better idea of how to balance currently.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 01:19 GMT
#2903
On December 02 2014 10:16 marvellosity wrote:
let's just say your ideas aren't necessarily the same as others

But my ideas are the correct ones.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 01:25 GMT
#2904
[image loading]naughty enough?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 01:28 GMT
#2907
On December 02 2014 10:25 marvellosity wrote:
kinda horny now

But you're always horny from what HF tells me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 01:38 GMT
#2909
That reminds me. Whenever it is that I go on a European vacation, I need to stop and grab drinks with you and HF.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2014 17:31 GMT
#3043
So people still haven't learned to use green for host questions?
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