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Bats: Regarding Meat and LS, this is what I don't understand...
1 What actions (NOT lurkiness/afk) have you noticed make Meat more scummy than LS?
2 Compare LS's lurkiness to that of Meatpudding (or Hopeless) and why you think it's more/less scumlike.
(If anyone else wants to answer the above, that's fine too.)
As I've said before, both need to go. But either defend your current ideas, refute the current sentiment present, or present one of your alternatives.
Whether or not you want to use meta, I don't care at this point, but you have been doing none of the above.
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Breshke and others: Meatpudding has already done that - check his most recent post. Last page I think.
Bats: Thank you for being honest here. I know you are frustrated, LYLO sucks. But you feel that way about someone in lategame, this ALSO involves helping yourself and building some credibility in the process. Because right now, people are doubting you. This is a newcomer game, and we don't have 7 Damdreds here who know you and your meta. Fact.
Again, RNG denied us a cop. This sucks as bad for you as it does the other remaining townies.
If we were already in MYLO then yes, go with Meatpudding absolutely. No question about that.
But there is disagreement on that third scum. Even if we're right on Meat, the problem is we gather NO extra information to split the rest of this group up. We may not be LYLO but we're back to square one with everyone heckling each other.
Others are feeling the same. We feel the information gained PAST Meatpudding is worth potentially being in LYLO. Because beyond Meatpudding, even the townies in this group diverge on the remaining scum.
If somehow Meat does NOT flip scum, then we have no information gained and we are still in LYLO.
Bottom line - Endgaming scum is going to go beyond one vote, Meat or LS, and we feel the information gained is worth that tradeoff. Meat is gone no matter how you slice it.
If you think you have a better lategame strategy, I'm all ears.
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Breshke, to me they both are. Both are scum. To me, the larger issue is getting everyone on the same page. This is going to be a continuous problem between now and endgame given the reads that everyone has thrown out there. Even if we forego LYLO now, we'll wind up in it later based on how everyone has been playing.
The only reason I say "potentially" and "even if" is because we don't know for sure and we have no outside information that guarantees anything. (The scum knew there was no cop from the off (per rules) so it's likely they are taking advantage of that.)
Now if you think I need to make an argument to him why LS is the way to go, that's another discussion. I have already stated those reasons, but for whatever reason, people are not sold on LS.
This is the problem I'm trying to describe, too many people disagree on too many reads. I'm personally very sure of both.
My personal view? Lynching LS will give us the best of both worlds, scum and a direction to go. Lynching Meat will give us scum...and then more bickering/guessing games.
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Now to add to the above, if you think LS is not scum, why not? (If you've said it, let me know the page number.)
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You know what....I just thought about it harder. This question of yours gave me pause.
On December 02 2014 09:13 Breshke wrote:
If you are going into possible lylo do you want meat there?
The problem here now wouldn't be meat...in LYLO people do crazy things out of the woodwork to secure the win.
So meat wouldn't be the problem actually in LYLO...it'd be everyone else, as in the scum and the confusion about it. We could very well run into the same problem with LS. We're not absolutely sure.
Let me read sicklucker's post one more time. He pushed the idea to switch to LS.
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Rasputin's problem with Meat is that too many people were voting Meat. There are 9 people. Six people should be voting him down, but of course not all 6 townies are on the same page.
You know what. We need to stay out of LYLO. Because LYLO brings only more chaos and not less. The only way you'd ever opt LYLO is if we were in MYLO now and we take the no-lynch, but that is not the present situation.
##unvote
##vote meatpudding
Good night everyone. Please leave me any questions, will get to them when I wake up. Cheers.
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On December 03 2014 02:55 LightningStrike wrote:
EBWOP I meant you bussed me for longer than a town player would normally bus a player with you bussing me for about 68 hours when a town wouldf only bus for at least 24 hours max and you went longer than that.
What??? Not only I had to read this 4x to understand this unless you meant bossing you around because you were a newer player.
Meat: Biggest problem with your latest argument is that you said you voted Kush or someone for being afk and yet one of the main reasons you are under the spotlight is because you are lurking (aside from the Brisbane storm incident). Some here are worse than others, but I'd say the only one worse than yourself in this category is Hopeless. This game has obvious catered to the lurkers, I am gathering your defence is primarily pointing to the other lurkers.
Second question - after you said you'd be here to vote, you said LS was scummy and now like four pages later, he's okay? I don't follow?
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EBWOP (for Meat): This game has obviously catered to the lurkers, I am gathering that your defence is primarily pointing to other lurkers (with the exception of LS). That's not entirely sufficient...
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Okay nevermind, I figured the second question out, that was answering his next choice to vote for aside from LS. So LS and then Hopeless.
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One minute left.
Alright, here's what I'm thinking.
General strategy - we got 2-3 lurkers in this game, and even though I feel both LS and Meat are scum, from a general strategy viewpoint, Breshke, I'm thinking about what you said, we get this wrong, we go into LYLO.
Do you potentially want to go into LYLO with 2-3 lurkers out of 7 players left and 3 scum?
Are we absolutely sure of our choice with LS here that we are risking the above situation?
I am not going to tell anyone here to change their vote. I understand why Rasputin has come to what he's concluded.
But this is making me a bit nervous.
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Sorry was typing when time ran out.
I hope we got this right 
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*gives Rasputin a hug*
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On December 03 2014 07:03 rsoultin wrote:
Sweet! Lol. Damn, I was scared of screwing this game so bad. ><
This was such a critical juncture of the game, it could have gone either way on us. I was afraid we'd go into LYLO with 2 lurkers but we took the bugger out 
I am so relieved, stoked and thrilled we got this right.
Fully aware I didn't vote him, but I can only vote 1 out of 2 scum. 50% right, this...
Rasputin, Bats wasn't answering ANYONE'S questions hahahah.
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[QUOTE]On December 02 2014 21:48 meatpudding wrote:
Ls is in this game to ask dead end questions and be all around pilly wally. What has he done besides cover his tracks and post little during the times when he was able to coast, mainly because bats and oats and mainly the rest of town has been fighting over one another.
So my previous vote analysis notwithstanding, it's almost clear that scum has had almost no play in the push of town against town, and this explains the passive play by ls. He could vote for A or B or whatever and it doesn't really matter because either way one step closer to lylo. I would be happy to vote on ls even if I had another viable choice here. In fact I would have thought about it yesterday, but kush being afk made me assume that he was lacking in defense.[QUOTE]
This is an example of a post I really didn't like by Meat. This game catered to the lurkers. Meat lurked even more than LS (Brisbane storm aside) and he's using the same argument to justify killing LS.
Two scum left, I'd say either one of Meat or Hopeless for sure. Either that or look for someone who shadowed another player to blend in. This game was all about the scum who could stay low which is how they had gotten this far. LS was one of them, I am thinking there was a second. Third was probably someone a little more involved to take advantage of our confusion. That's just a hunch.
Like you both, I want to hear Batsnacks' response to this.
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EBWOP - Fixed quote box.
On December 02 2014 21:48 meatpudding wrote:
Ls is in this game to ask dead end questions and be all around pilly wally. What has he done besides cover his tracks and post little during the times when he was able to coast, mainly because bats and oats and mainly the rest of town has been fighting over one another.
So my previous vote analysis notwithstanding, it's almost clear that scum has had almost no play in the push of town against town, and this explains the passive play by ls. He could vote for A or B or whatever and it doesn't really matter because either way one step closer to lylo. I would be happy to vote on ls even if I had another viable choice here. In fact I would have thought about it yesterday, but kush being afk made me assume that he was lacking in defense.
This is an example of a post I really didn't like by Meat. This game catered to the lurkers. Meat lurked even more than LS (Brisbane storm aside) and he's using the same argument to justify killing LS.
Two scum left, I'd say either one of Meat or Hopeless for sure. Either that or look for someone who shadowed another player to blend in. This game was all about the scum who could stay low which is how they had gotten this far. LS was one of them, I am thinking there was a second. Third was probably someone a little more involved to take advantage of our confusion. That's just a hunch.
Like you both, I want to hear Batsnacks' response to this.
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I'm going to filter dive Bats and LS, the latter in the event any info could have been given up. Doubt it though as he sheeped entirely...didn't seem to campaign hard anywhere.
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Yes....wasn't he at a clash with Oats? Considering Oats and Bats were pushing opposite sides this past vote, it's plausible that we might have a case of one vet fearing another? Didn't he say something earlier EoD D3 about wanting to lynch Oats endgame?
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On December 02 2014 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
I really don't feel like suffering through three days of lylo with you people. It's just not worth it especially when oats, if mafia, will be legitimately difficult to lynch.
Like meat should be the easiest lynch ever. If we can't get that right without me holding everyone's hand I give up.
On November 30 2014 09:21 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 09:20 Damdred wrote:
Bats out of the vets who would be the scum i'd hate to think all the newer players go scum Oats
What do you make of the above?
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On December 03 2014 08:21 Breshke wrote:
LS doesn't mention bats in like his first two sets of reads, he also then calls him scum and then town without explaining how he has made the jump between these two reads. I havn't really looked into it much and probably wont until later but yeah.
I will keep an eye for this as I keep filter diving. Still working on Bats...
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On November 30 2014 04:48 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2014 04:42 batsnacks wrote:
HTS definitely mafia
##unvote
##vote: Half the Sky Why you say HTS is definitely mafia? Explain please. Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 03:02 batsnacks wrote:On November 29 2014 02:55 kushm4sta wrote:
bats help me figure out which of these sneaky tryhard sonnabitches are scum...
is it htf or something? I think it's HTF. I never believe his reasons for things I think he writes them just to write them. It's not like SL where there is a logical, if wrong, train of though that I can follow easily. And I feel like mafia is voting me right now because it's a good opportunity to look productive. Plus the way he voted kush is really scummy. I don't think kush looks great d2 but if I were to vote kush the reasons I would give would look nothing like the reasons HTS is giving. If I'm voting kush all I would say is "he isn't posting enough."
Examine the above - common scum tactic. You could technically WIFOM that argument but this shows trying to impede the town. Taking out the townies who are posting more and doing more instead of those who are posting less, obviously Kush was VT, but if he were scum he'd have known that with both PRs down by D2.
Trfel was especially strong against Bats, but WIFOM was used to discredit that. But it makes sense in a newbie game.
Also this list from D2 I think...
On November 28 2014 05:37 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 05:27 sicklucker wrote:
Hey bats who the hell is mafia if you aint. Not you Not LS Not Damdred Not Kush Not me oats is null even though I dislike his tunneling on me. I actually remember things he says. putin is null because I remember some of his posts and that's better than nothing. slam will go from scummy to super scummy if he doesn't post again tomorrow. Trfel's relentless tunnel is scummy. everyone else looks bad because I don't remember anything they've said.
He eliminates LS in that list.
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