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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:06 GMT
#1215
On November 30 2014 06:03 Damdred wrote:
Oh my god You suck


Got it, cheers.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:15 GMT
#1223
On November 30 2014 05:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
kush almost literally doesnt play as scum. He also busses like a mofo. He has done neither of these things this game.


Hopeless, question, operative words in bold.

I think Kush has played some here prior to the middle of D2, but others are calling him out that he's not playing enough. Define what you mean as "almost literally doesn't play as scum". As in just AFK to the point of being a policy lynch?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:21 GMT
#1235
On November 30 2014 06:17 Damdred wrote:
Look at the games i posted where hes town, he afks in those to! but that doesn't make him scum just because people are propegating what they think his scum meta is doesn't mean thats what it is.

hes been actively trying to figure something out when hes here, he shoudln't be lynched rsoul has been scummy at eod lets go


I am reading the links you posted....to get through all of this in 40 minutes and Bats' post for resoltin is a big ask. I am trying.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:25 GMT
#1239
Damdred: In the meantime, can you run through my response to you and tell me what you think? You wanted to know why I was convinced on Kush. I answered.

If you or Kush disagree on something, now's the time to let me know.

Hopeless: Some of us had not, but voted thinking there was a stronger candidate than Bats. This has happened both D1 and D2.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:28 GMT
#1242
On November 30 2014 06:25 rsoultin wrote:
Kinda interesting to me that the leads on this are bats and damdred. Just saying. Y'all can remember that when I flip town if they get this lynch rolling.


+1. Same. I have equal risk here as you, so I feel it important to put it all out there as this could be my last chance to help town.

Silver lining, at least you aren't spending your Saturday night sorting this out. Then again, weather is horrible here right now.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:33 GMT
#1245
Hopeless, you are defending Kush's play. What do you make of his reasoning for voting DSMI after voting Damdred?

Batsnacks, you can answer this also.

I am claiming gaps in Kush's reasoning from Damdred to DSMI. Counterclaim or help me fill in the gaps please.

Damdred, I've read part of your first case...also continuing...

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:33 GMT
#1246
EBWOP - I see you just posted your response. Reading now.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:45 GMT
#1258
Damdred, I have one more question regarding inconsistency. This is regarding the D1 argument.

- As I said in my explanation, Kush used the D1 argument to defend bats.
- Yet he concluded (read) DSMI's D1 nitpicking as scummy enough, or more scummy than you, as you have just stated.
- Then when he says he's going afk, he says D1 is enough to save him. As if we are sharp enough that we should deem him town from D1, which who knows.

How does this even make sense? You cannot have it both ways.

At the very least, are you beginning to see how I'm getting to a conclusion where I'm convinced Kush is scum?
You do not have to agree with everything I am saying, that is not what I am asking.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 21:55 GMT
#1271
Damdred - Devil's Riddle is not showing Kush in there...wrong link? Replacment?

Now I need to go back and digest why you guys are harping on Rsoultin. All in these last minutes.

On November 30 2014 06:48 batsnacks wrote:
Everyone on rsoultin should get ready to switch to HTS.


Bats, you need to understand something. We might not agree on where Kush is here, but I am not going to vote Rsoultin with little to no understanding at the moment of the problems with him, only for you, or someone here, to accuse me of switching my vote without justification if I should.

Because a town would not do that.

You are putting me in a lose-lose situation, and a vanilla town would NOT do that.

I am going through your case on Rsoultin.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 22:02 GMT
#1287
Well GGs, frustrating, but that's that.

I refused to switch because I believed he was town, I'm going to be revealed as town shortly, but some of you really shot yourselves in the foot.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 22:04 GMT
#1291
For the rest of you, well I hope this gives you enough material to work with the next few days.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 22:51 GMT
#1301
On November 30 2014 07:46 kushm4sta wrote:
5 pm deadline is ass


10pm here. Not great here either but I think Aussies beat us both. 8am I think over there.

Count your lucky stars.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 23:10 GMT
#1306
Why would Kush get modelled? He's been active.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 29 2014 23:11 GMT
#1307
EBWOP - stupid autocorrect!! That should be modkilled.

10/10 Glowing Bear......hah!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 30 2014 00:25 GMT
#1327
Mods: Apologies if I broke any rules, confusion over the deadline, etc.

Everyone else, I'm crushed. I'm completely horrified right now.

Kush I honestly wished you were here to defend yourself or at least set me straight.
I'm also horrified because failing twice in a row means I need to go back to the drawing board.

I am so sorry Kush. GGs.

I'm going to bed now, since it's past midnight. I'm hoping something will make sense when I wake up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 30 2014 13:05 GMT
#1388
Alright, so overhauling everything I've done so far. Back to the drawing board.

RNG hates us enough not giving us a cop. But I was worried through last night of a scum team with three veterans.
At two lynches from LYLO one, there is a decent chance one of the lurkers is scum. Possibly two. Meat, Hopeless, LS.
I'm saying this without filter diving, just based off numbers and given how this group collectively is playin
Im sure there is one vet on the team. Again general comment, no evidence. Possible vets, Damdred, Bats, Oats, Hopeless

Facts about voting.
I believe it was either of Breshke or Meat that pushed Kush, originally.
Oats pushed me. I'm not sure how he confused me with LS as he quoted me at least twice going back and forth.
LS sheeped the entire time.
Breshke could have hammered anyone but didn't.
Damdred missed hammering me by presumably seconds.
Rasputin could have hammered me but didn't.

Because if I had to guess, there was at least one scum likely two in the lynch mob.

I'm thinking two of these scum are Meat and Lightning especially considering Lightning sheeped 100%.
Third one is a vet.
I'm putting it as a tossup between Hopeless and Oats.
Regarding the latter, Oats said I wasn't taking responsibility for my votes, yet his explanation for pushing me seems quite ironic.

Again all first instincts based from last night. I'm going to read Bats case against Rasputin because I never got to through much before EoD.
But N2 lynch yet to occur...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 30 2014 13:24 GMT
#1389
To add to the above, it is possible that SL, Damdred, Breshke and Bats are scum but unlikely.
I was wrong on DSMI and Kush so it's likely I am wrong on thinking Bats is scum using the same way to conclude.
SL seems much a scum hunter, still looking good to me.

And Bats when you next get here, can you sum up in 1-2 sentences your key point against Rasputin? I read your posts twice now and...

Also SL no one has counterclaimed Breshke on RB, I'm confused on how this isn't reliable?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 30 2014 13:57 GMT
#1390
Forgot the case on Hopeless. He appeared to sheep as well. A Meat, LS, Hope team is certainly possible.
But some of you earlier in this game were making the argument that not all the mafia could be overly involved...equally likely not all the mafia are lurking. Which is why I conclude for now Oats or Hopeless.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 30 2014 17:25 GMT
#1394
Re: RB, got it, makes sense.

I should have said "most likely" a vet.
Reference page 3 of this thread. Statistically speaking the distribution of (defined) noobs to vets is just about half in this game.
Statistically, a 2 noob/1 vet combo or 2 vets/1 noob combo is more likely than 3 noobs or 3 vets.

Most here are settled on LS/Meat as two of the three.

And on average, I cannot see all 3 scum being lurkers or all most active in any given game.
Ignoring meta, people can choose to lurk, be more involved or somewhere in between.
A mix of behaviours is most likely.
Statistically speaking (ignoring meta and throwing out all assumptions I've made for reasons already explained) that narrows it to you, Bats, Damdred.

...if we assume LS and Meat are scum, both being noob category, and on the lesser end of posting.
Not absolutely, but most statistically likely. And after last night I'm not as inclined to think Bats or Damdred scum. But that is subjective from me.
It is certainly possible that Hopeless is scum, he sheeped the vote, but so did LS.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 30 2014 18:48 GMT
#1395
On December 01 2014 02:23 rsoultin wrote:
Heh, well...my first instinct is the lynch mob shenaningans last night and squabbling was mostly town fighting town with maybe 1 or 2 scum jumping in to take advantage of the confusion


I agree with this, neither of us hammered the other like you said and supporting Kush was a case based on meta. But still town driven.



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