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On November 28 2014 02:56 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel writes these huge posts and I never finish reading them feeling like I've gained anything. I read his entire filter and the only thing I've taken away from it is that I'm mafia because meta, even though we've never played together, and damdred is my scum mate even though that makes zero sense.
My posts are long because I a need to present all of the evidence. I'll be the first to say that long posts aren't inherently good. The length of my posts is determined by how much I have to say and how much evidence I can find.
On November 28 2014 03:17 batsnacks wrote:
Even his first post was about about me. He's gone into this game with the mindset of: Focus on bat, nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.
As for tunnel visioning on batsnacks, that's not really true. I recently posted a very long post about Damdred as well (which took a reasonable amount of time and effort, I might add), and have mentioned suspicions of kushm4sta and meatpudding. As for going into this game set to lynch batsnacks, that's simply not true. I knew absolutely nothing about almost everyone here going into this game (except minimal knowledge on sicklucker, Breshke, and LightningStrike from reading parts of the Campus Mafia game). I focused on batsnacks because he struck me as scummy, and further investigation made me increasingly convinced. In fact, my initial read made me side with batsnacks and against Oatsmaster. Further reading and filter reading changed my opinions, as Oatsmaster seems to (slightly obnoxiously) be searching for information and trying to find the mafia, while batsnacks seems to be more wasting time and not finding mafia. I still want to lynch batsnacks because I feel that he is the most scummy, and that case feels stronger than the other options.
On November 28 2014 02:50 batsnacks wrote:
I think Trfel is pretty scummy actually.
On November 26 2014 10:18 batsnacks wrote:
There's people arguing about whether someone's excuses are legit or not...
Meanwhile Trfel has contributed a massive case, he's followed up and voted, and no one has commented on any of it.
If you're town get your priorities straight. If you're mafia keep talking about IRL excuses and timezones. What changed? You decided that I was focusing on you too much? Why do you say this right after I start talking about other players? Twelve hours ago you might have had an argument.
I believe the only one who has said that both batsnacks and Damdred being mafia makes no sense is batsnacks himself. I honestly don't see why this makes no sense. If someone can present a good argument for this, I'm interested.
On November 28 2014 03:21 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 03:16 rsoultin wrote:
Mmmmm...that could just be cause he's new, the big posts.
Picking you to look into and build a case against isn't completely out to lunch with your insta-vote, though you removed it when kush decided to participate, didn't you? Damdred seems more scummy to me than you do at the moment. Not really reading Trfel as scum just because he built a case on you though. Trfel said he agreed with the kush pressure. Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 12:46 Trfel wrote:On November 25 2014 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man, what is this.
Whos scum Trefel?
If I had to take a guess right now, I would guess sicklucker and Half the Sky. But I feel like it's far too early for me to confidently make reads. As the vote gets closer, I will consider more strongly who to vote for. Until then, a no lynch or a policy lynch on an inactive (kushm4sta?) seems better than trying to take a guess if it still seems unclear. Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 14:59 Trfel wrote:
To be fair, kushm4sta, I would like some more from you. Batsnacks wants you to participate in the thread and share your thoughts, and that seems like a fair request. You obviously read batsnacks as scum. Any reasons we haven't mentioned yet? What about the rest of the people here? Then he said I was scummy for it: Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 12:25 Trfel wrote:To reiterate: On November 25 2014 10:27 batsnacks wrote:
I think you should all start voting kush since that's the most logical vote right now. That's the problem post with the kushm4sta policy lynch for me. Yes, I'm glad that he forced kusmh4sta to the thread. However, we don't need to focus only on one afk player to bring them back into the game. We can still investigate the people here while pressuring kushm4sta to play, we don't need to sidetrack our discussions for a policy lynch. Make sure you compare bolded words.
On November 25 2014 14:57 Trfel wrote:
However, repeatedly asking others to also vote kushm4sta does seem strange, since we probably should be more interested in getting people to talk now. If policy lynching is the correct route (which I'm not sure), we can worry about that closer to the vote deadline.
I've said this before and I will say it again. I have absolutely no problem with the fact that batsnacks pressure voted kushm4sta. The problem was that he attempted to get more people to pressure vote kushm4sta, and was focusing on kushm4sta instead of making reads and getting information from people who were participating in the thread. Pressure votes and policy lynches are fine, but are no substitute for actual reads and probable scum lynches. In the quote you provided, I expressed a willingness to policy vote kushm4sta if he remained inactive and if there were no other suspects in the thread. This is in no way an approval of the way batsnacks went about his pressure vote.
I'm a bit surprised at the statements batsnacks has been making this page, many of them are simply false. As already stated, my first posts are not about batsnacks. He has not been the focus of every single one of my long posts, as Damdred was the focus of at least one. And batsnacks unvoted kushm4sta BEFORE he started posting, not after.
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You know it's a problem when I don't feel like reading your posts because I already know everything I'm going to read will be useless and wrong and I won't remember any of it anyway.
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Darn, missed a word in the first sentence. Should read:
"My posts are long because I see a need to present all of the evidence." And to clarify that, I believe that my posts are full of substance, and not fluff, therefore the length is justified. Read them and decide for yourself.
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Would everyone like a shorter version?
Batsnacks is mafia because he has shown an effort not to contribute to the search for the mafia. His scum reads are filled with holes and he fails to provide adequate support. His opinions also seem inconsistent.
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On November 28 2014 04:56 Trfel wrote:
Would everyone like a shorter version?
Batsnacks is mafia because he has shown an effort not to contribute to the search for the mafia. His scum reads are filled with holes and he fails to provide adequate support. His opinions also seem inconsistent.
See what I mean? It took you like a thousand words to say that the first time.
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On November 28 2014 02:56 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel writes these huge posts and I never finish reading them feeling like I've gained anything. I read his entire filter and the only thing I've taken away from it is that I'm mafia because meta, even though we've never played together, and damdred is my scum mate even though that makes zero sense.
Now you cant possibly think thats true.
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Heh, there's a happy middle ground there somewhere. Cause Trfel's right that in a post like that I'd be inclined to ask him to explain why he said that.
Trfel, I do appreciate your effort. Truly. But it is hard to read posts that long without losing interest or getting distracted. If you can present your evidence more concisely it probably will help your case, if only in that more people are likely to read your posts all the way through and understand what you're saying.
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On November 28 2014 04:58 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 04:56 Trfel wrote:
Would everyone like a shorter version?
Batsnacks is mafia because he has shown an effort not to contribute to the search for the mafia. His scum reads are filled with holes and he fails to provide adequate support. His opinions also seem inconsistent. See what I mean? It took you like a thousand words to say that the first time.
Read my concluding statements to the "thousand word posts" you reference. I don't see what's wrong with giving evidence for my claims. A claim without evidence or reasoning is rather weak, isn't it?
If people would prefer, I can try to change my posting format to leave only the main points in the normal post, and put all of the evidence, reasoning, and quotes in spoilers. However, I would think that most people would want to read the evidence for themselves anyway.
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On November 28 2014 05:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 04:58 batsnacks wrote:On November 28 2014 04:56 Trfel wrote:
Would everyone like a shorter version?
Batsnacks is mafia because he has shown an effort not to contribute to the search for the mafia. His scum reads are filled with holes and he fails to provide adequate support. His opinions also seem inconsistent. See what I mean? It took you like a thousand words to say that the first time. Read my concluding statements to the "thousand word posts" you reference. I don't see what's wrong with giving evidence for my claims. A claim without evidence or reasoning is rather weak, isn't it? If people would prefer, I can try to change my posting format to leave only the main points in the normal post, and put all of the evidence, reasoning, and quotes in spoilers. However, I would think that most people would want to read the evidence for themselves anyway.
A claim that's wrong is weak no matter how much "evidence" or "reasoning" you give.
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Now, bats. You saying that you're town isn't evidence that you're town lol. If it's weak you're going to have to give us better than that, at least for me to say yeah, makes sense. 
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Lets not argue about post lengths now. I dont like to make huge posts trfel does its just style.
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Trefel I would like to point out batsnacks also played in campus mafia you didnt include him on your list, and I think you overrated his town game because hes playing quite similar. Maybe have another look at that one. He was medic which could be why he didnt contribute much.
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On November 28 2014 05:12 rsoultin wrote:Now, bats. You saying that you're town isn't evidence that you're town lol. If it's weak you're going to have to give us better than that, at least for me to say yeah, makes sense.
"rabble rabble"
Pick something either oats or Trfel has said about why I'm scummy that you agree with.
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Hey bats who the hell is mafia if you aint.
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On November 28 2014 05:27 sicklucker wrote:
Hey bats who the hell is mafia if you aint.
Not you
Not LS
Not Damdred
Not Kush
Not me
oats is null even though I dislike his tunneling on me. I actually remember things he says.
putin is null because I remember some of his posts and that's better than nothing.
slam will go from scummy to super scummy if he doesn't post again tomorrow.
Trfel's relentless tunnel is scummy.
everyone else looks bad because I don't remember anything they've said.
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Way too much talking during night. Especially on thanksgiving. Stfu all of you.
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On November 28 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote:
I do think half is scummy though over explained vote post few things earlier that were non commital and to agreeable I'll have to filter dive when I'm done here.
Pot...kettle...black?
I think you had the same argument with Oats, but your meta case and counter argument earlier I'm pretty sure was at least as twice as long as mine was. Not that post length should even be relevant, again it comes down to quality, I just find it ironic you're using those points to paint me (or anyone) as scum, when you are even more guilty/traceable to the same thing.
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On November 28 2014 05:21 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 05:12 rsoultin wrote:Now, bats. You saying that you're town isn't evidence that you're town lol. If it's weak you're going to have to give us better than that, at least for me to say yeah, makes sense. "rabble rabble" Pick something either oats or Trfel has said about why I'm scummy that you agree with.
I was admittedly overwhelmed by the sheer amount of text when I first got on...I think we were on page 12 or something...and you and Oats going back and forth irritated me tbh lol.
But going back through your filter, I'm not really seeing what everyone else seems to be seeing. You have given reads and explained yourself, if a bit tersely especially when you kept getting the same questions over and over. Your votes did make sense in the context of the thread. The biggest case against you seems to be what Trfel dug up in meta. I don't know you. Not really fond of meta reads.
So I'm reading you as neutral right now.
I will say, though, that no I don't think you and Damdred are a scum team. Just a bit too obvious when you were in each other's pockets (him more in yours than the other way around) from the start. I think it's entirely possible for mafia to go after someone who has posted very little thinking that they might have a role (not vanilla town), even if they knew you both were town, so I don't think it's worth voting you to find out if Damdred is scum. (And frankly don't understand voting someone other than who you think is scum to find out if they're scum. Maybe I'm just a noob but that seems counterintuitive to me.)
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On November 28 2014 05:38 kushm4sta wrote:
Way too much talking during night. Especially on thanksgiving. Stfu all of you.
Not all of us are in the States...and as I said before, I'm not holding anything against the Americans skipping out Night 1.
You lot enjoy yourselves. Our last bank holiday was in August, next one Christmas. :/
Back on topic, Trfel I don't have a problem with your post length, if your posts were full of it, regardless of length, I'd have called you on it ages ago. I do find that in general, bullet points help readability though.
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On November 28 2014 05:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 05:21 batsnacks wrote:On November 28 2014 05:12 rsoultin wrote:Now, bats. You saying that you're town isn't evidence that you're town lol. If it's weak you're going to have to give us better than that, at least for me to say yeah, makes sense. "rabble rabble" Pick something either oats or Trfel has said about why I'm scummy that you agree with. I was admittedly overwhelmed by the sheer amount of text when I first got on...I think we were on page 12 or something...and you and Oats going back and forth irritated me tbh lol. But going back through your filter, I'm not really seeing what everyone else seems to be seeing. You have given reads and explained yourself, if a bit tersely especially when you kept getting the same questions over and over. Your votes did make sense in the context of the thread. The biggest case against you seems to be what Trfel dug up in meta. I don't know you. Not really fond of meta reads. So I'm reading you as neutral right now. I will say, though, that no I don't think you and Damdred are a scum team. Just a bit too obvious when you were in each other's pockets (him more in yours than the other way around) from the start. I think it's entirely possible for mafia to go after someone who has posted very little thinking that they might have a role (not vanilla town), even if they knew you both were town, so I don't think it's worth voting you to find out if Damdred is scum. (And frankly don't understand voting someone other than who you think is scum to find out if they're scum. Maybe I'm just a noob but that seems counterintuitive to me.)
Yeah I was irritated with me and oat's back and forth too that's why I started ignoring him.
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