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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 30 2014 22:46 GMT
#1428
On December 01 2014 07:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count

Meatpudding (2): batsnacks, sicklucker

Not Voting (7): Half the Sky, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Meatpudding, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster


Currently, Meatpudding is set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.,

I voted you forgot to put in my vote lol
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 30 2014 23:58 GMT
#1438
On December 01 2014 07:31 sicklucker wrote:
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On December 01 2014 07:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting in the Night I was still in shock that Kush got lynched when I tried to save T_T
Kush if you read this I sorry I tried to save you but failed


Did you tho? All I saw was you sheeping bats. This is very scummy

I said earlier in the thread that kush was a bad lynch and there was no other person having close to majority until rsoultin/HTS were getting votes and I went for rsoultin until bats said go for HTS so I went for them for that other than rsoultin had a vote on me.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2014 00:16 GMT
#1442
On December 01 2014 08:13 Breshke wrote:
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On December 01 2014 07:57 rsoultin wrote:
Problem is I don't know if I trust my opinion. I did switch to dicks over bats, you're right, and I probably should have noticed it looked weird then, too. I could've sworn there was a time when bats had about 4 votes...but I'd have to find when that was and it might take a bit. Regardless, being wrong in the past doesn't make me wrong now.

I'd still rather be voting LS. Yes I'm still stuck on that. I still think he's contributed a whopping nada. He's also been after meatpudding's ass at least since Day 2, so either he's bussing meat, i'm wrong (along with most of the rest of the players), or we're going after the wrong person yet again. With so many uncontested votes on meat...

You're not getting why this feels off?

@ bats, why would it be bad if LS turns mafia, so bad he shouldn't be voted?



I think you are thinking of D2, but D1 i don't think bats ever achieved that many votes. Im not saying that this feels off because I agree with you it does but mafia could easily buss or just vote now (since its the very start of day) and change it later. I would feel a lot better about meatpudding if he came back to the thread.

I agree on LS. While he has been on meatpudding all game i think what he has posted most about was excuses on why he is playing timid or why the people he voted for are not his fault. Im honestly not sure if this is because he is scum or a new player though.


This is only my second game playing TL Mafia. My first game was Campus Mafia.


On December 01 2014 07:31 sicklucker wrote:
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On December 01 2014 07:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting in the Night I was still in shock that Kush got lynched when I tried to save T_T
Kush if you read this I sorry I tried to save you but failed


Did you tho? All I saw was you sheeping bats. This is very scummy

I said kush was a bad lynch although my reasoning was based around Damndred's posts on his town games I was convinced by him here proof I did say kush was a bad lynch

On November 30 2014 06:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay rsoultin stuff is now not making sense after reading stuff that bats wrote on him and what Hopeless wrote on him and kush would not be a good lynch today so I suggest we go after rsoultin since he voted on me I guess it's time for my move.
##Unvote
##Vote rsoultin

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2014 13:25 GMT
#1544
I had a quick read of Ls filter and realized he didn't make a single read on day 1 and voted dicksmash not because he thought he was scum but because rsoultin reassured him it was a very low chance to hit a power role. After this first day he talks more about being scared which fits is more excuses for him not making or pushing reads which is scummy in my eyes.

I did make a couple of posts of my reads Day 1 and here is proof.
1.
On November 25 2014 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On November 25 2014 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back from playing Pokemon Trading Card game with some friends and went to a late dinner at Red Robin so sorry about my activity T_T
Breshke just seems to be mad at sicklucker for what happened in our previous game :O
Batsnacks lost his mind or he is scum trying to go after kush but kush didn't post anything just yet so I don't got a read on kush.
Oatsmaster is town in my eyes as he is being very constructive on the agenda for Day 1.
Are we allow to sleep on anyday because I remember in my last game we had slept for 1 day and I wondering if we are allowed to becausee personally I don't think Day 1 lynching is a good idea because of possible afks or just having horrible reads.

What else do you think?
And whos scum?

I think Trfel is just a new town player because his post although giving answers to why he scum reading HTS. Also he followed up to clarify his post thoughts from his previous post from Page 10 and is trying to give a good reason for his reads. HTS seems null as his actions seems questionable on his post about Breske and sicklucker policy lynching but he also said he was new to TL mafia so maybe it just his lack of experience in TL mafia just showing up now. rsoultin seems to be scum as his posts were not much content but then again it was our very first day of the game so the reads not be good at the moment as he posted very little.

2.
On November 26 2014 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).

You can't say I didn't do reads Day 1.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2014 15:03 GMT
#1555
On December 01 2014 23:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, that's brutal. Get a good rest, that.

Lightning, do you have any explanation for why you voted the way you did EoD D2? Can you expand upon the first part of your first vote (the bolded part)?

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On November 30 2014 06:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay rsoultin stuff is now not making sense after reading stuff that bats wrote on him and what Hopeless wrote on him and kush would not be a good lynch today so I suggest we go after rsoultin since he voted on me I guess it's time for my move.
##Unvote
##Vote rsoultin


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On November 30 2014 06:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Roger Bats
##unvote
##vote: Half the Sky



For voting you
On November 30 2014 05:58 batsnacks wrote:
Okay

Show nested quote +
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-

Not scummy. Voting someone who is trying to policy lynch you is a pretty reasonable response... you seem to think so too.

Show nested quote +

- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post


Asking a question isn't scummy. Neither is not reading the thread. Either alignment can ask questions, either alignment can miss something in the thread.

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- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke

It was scummy. omgusing is usually scummy.

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- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted


Kush changing votes is not scummy, especially if he gives reasons when asked. Giving reasons when asked is actually townie.

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- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)


Arguing for who you think is town is not scummy.

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- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks


Kush gave those reasons BEFORE damdred's train.

Show nested quote +
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)


Not providing reasons for reads is bad.
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- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats


So what? You're just paraphrasing what happened. This isn't a reason.
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- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town


Kush voted me because I was policy voting him. I unvoted kush, which is why kush voted me. Therefore kush no longer has a reason to vote me. This is a perfectly logical procession of events.
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- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)


Yeah this is scummy.

On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
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On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?

On November 30 2014 06:40 batsnacks wrote:
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On November 30 2014 06:38 rsoultin wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?


Bats, gonna dropkick you again. The post that you edited parts out of is about kush being scum. The list that you chose to quote without the rest of the post was what content I could glean out of the 3 pages of posts in his filter at the time of the post.


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On November 30 2014 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
For clarification, bats, that actually wasn't a list of scummy behavior. That was me going back through his filter to find what little content was in it. My main issue with kush is that he has so little content, and he was claiming he wouldn't be playing for the rest of the day.


The first post on it by bats was convincing enough for me after reading it over and the last 2 posts were the cherry on top for you to be scum. If meatpudding turns out to be scum then there is a large chance you are scum with him. I swap to HTS because no one was chaning their vote to you so the next best lynch to do to save kush was HTS but htat failed.


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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2014 15:04 GMT
#1556
EBWOP
On December 02 2014 00:03 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 01 2014 23:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, that's brutal. Get a good rest, that.

Lightning, do you have any explanation for why you voted the way you did EoD D2? Can you expand upon the first part of your first vote (the bolded part)?

On November 30 2014 06:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay rsoultin stuff is now not making sense after reading stuff that bats wrote on him and what Hopeless wrote on him and kush would not be a good lynch today so I suggest we go after rsoultin since he voted on me I guess it's time for my move.
##Unvote
##Vote rsoultin


On November 30 2014 06:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Roger Bats
##unvote
##vote: Half the Sky



For voting you
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On November 30 2014 05:58 batsnacks wrote:
Okay

- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-

Not scummy. Voting someone who is trying to policy lynch you is a pretty reasonable response... you seem to think so too.


- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post


Asking a question isn't scummy. Neither is not reading the thread. Either alignment can ask questions, either alignment can miss something in the thread.

- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke

It was scummy. omgusing is usually scummy.

- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted


Kush changing votes is not scummy, especially if he gives reasons when asked. Giving reasons when asked is actually townie.

- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)


Arguing for who you think is town is not scummy.

- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks


Kush gave those reasons BEFORE damdred's train.

- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)


Not providing reasons for reads is bad.

- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats


So what? You're just paraphrasing what happened. This isn't a reason.

- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town


Kush voted me because I was policy voting him. I unvoted kush, which is why kush voted me. Therefore kush no longer has a reason to vote me. This is a perfectly logical procession of events.

- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)


Yeah this is scummy.

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On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?

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On November 30 2014 06:40 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:38 rsoultin wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?


Bats, gonna dropkick you again. The post that you edited parts out of is about kush being scum. The list that you chose to quote without the rest of the post was what content I could glean out of the 3 pages of posts in his filter at the time of the post.


On November 30 2014 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
For clarification, bats, that actually wasn't a list of scummy behavior. That was me going back through his filter to find what little content was in it. My main issue with kush is that he has so little content, and he was claiming he wouldn't be playing for the rest of the day.


The first post on it by bats was convincing enough for me after reading it over and the last 2 posts were the cherry on top for you to be scum. If meatpudding turns out to be scum then there is a large chance you are scum with him. I swap to HTS because no one was chaning their vote to you so the next best lynch to do to save kush was HTS but that failed.



Fixed a error on spelling.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 13:17 GMT
#1620
Okay I will explain my sheeping since I woke up. I did sheep in my last game too till I got lynched and when I was in the OBS qt for that game after death I swore after one player that died who called sicklucker town sicklucker was scum because afterwards his posting seemed to be scum like at the time. I was shocked to learn he really was town and so I don't really trust my own judgement still after that game so I was going with the Veterans of TL mafia for voting unless I get a power role that can detect alignments aka Cop/Detective or Tracker/Watcher. That's all I can say about my sheeping. Read my filter from the Campus Mafia for proof of my sheeping in that game.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 14:34 GMT
#1625
On December 02 2014 22:38 Breshke wrote:
LS who would you be voting for if meat wasnt an option and why? same question for you meat but change your name with LS obviously.




rsoultin because I truly believe he is scum because of his actions on Day 1 and 2 combined I started to think he is scum towards the end of Day 2 when he called HTS a Vanilla Town which I would say is a scum slip and later on he started look scummier by the post in my eyes.
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LightningStrike
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United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 17:44 GMT
#1629
On December 03 2014 01:32 rsoultin wrote:
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On December 02 2014 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 02 2014 22:38 Breshke wrote:
LS who would you be voting for if meat wasnt an option and why? same question for you meat but change your name with LS obviously.




rsoultin because I truly believe he is scum because of his actions on Day 1 and 2 combined I started to think he is scum towards the end of Day 2 when he called HTS a Vanilla Town which I would say is a scum slip and later on he started look scummier by the post in my eyes.


If you can give me a reason that isn't echoing bats I'll entertain that you've had a single original idea in this game. Here's a start. Which actions on Day 1 and Day 2? When did I call HTS a Vanilla Town? Your defense was bats' posts before. Now what he said again. Give me something original, LS. Please.

Here is when you called HTS Vanilla Town
On November 30 2014 09:48 rsoultin wrote:
i'd have no reason to hammer him if you believe hts is town and i'm mafia. I wouldn't put myself out there fighting over 2 vanilla towns -shrugs-

Also earlier in the thread I made the motion of not lynching at Day 1 you questioned on it and I gave you valid reasons based on my experience from my last game then you told me lynching is better which seems to me you were trying to bus me around as a newer player and that was the same behavior 1 of the scum did to me last game then all of day 2 you were bussing me around still and later on justifying your case on kush you used the little posting excuse on why you want to lynch him which seems scummy because I know people like me sometimes don't post much at all and later it turns out kush was town and you tried to blame it on Damndred and bats in this post
On November 30 2014 10:03 rsoultin wrote:
Yup, I'm at a loss. I honestly wanted ls and just didn't think it was hts over kush...damdred and bats coming after me had me almost convinced they were the scum team lol. Now I'm not sure if we're just all off our rocker and scum is sitting back and laughing or what. Meh.

Normally scum players could put blame on someone who seemed scummy at the time and this for me is the final reason for voting you other then you voted on me.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 17:55 GMT
#1630
EBWOP I meant you bussed me for longer than a town player would normally bus a player with you bussing me for about 68 hours when a town wouldf only bus for at least 24 hours max and you went longer than that.
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LightningStrike
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December 02 2014 20:47 GMT
#1637
Rsoultin is scum, meat is scum and Oatsmaster is null and so is Hopeless. The rest are town.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 20:53 GMT
#1638
You guys will definitely will regret lynching me when you see that I was a Vanilla Town and it will lead to the Lynch or Lose which I don't think any of you guys want.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 21:00 GMT
#1639
Also when I get lynched may my soul haunt you guys till the end of this game when you see I was a Vanilla Town until death by you guys hunger for noobs blood.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 21:08 GMT
#1641
On December 03 2014 06:05 Breshke wrote:
Why is oats and hopeless null

Hopeless wasn't posting a lot but when he did it wasn't really constructive posts but I wish to see more posts from him to determine if he was scum or not.
Oats because it just a gut feeling I have of him being the Veteran Scum player since I would think BH would make 1 of the scum players a veteran player.
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December 02 2014 21:30 GMT
#1643
On December 03 2014 06:21 Breshke wrote:
So if you have a gut feeling oats is scum isnt he scum not null. The mafia team is also selected at random so that souldn't be apart of your read.

Why are you reading bats as town?

bats defending me a lot this game although I feel it's because of his guilt for driving the lynch of me last game and normally townies do defend newer players a lot at least what I seen. As I said it just a gut feeling my feeling say scum but I can see him as town too so that's why I said null.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 21:40 GMT
#1645
I just trying to justify his behavior about why he defended me a lot but I do trust he is town.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 21:47 GMT
#1647
On December 03 2014 06:38 rsoultin wrote:
...heh if you do flip scum LS I've got to give you this, you do have a good helpless act. I've had a couple doubts, but did you really forget you just said bats was town a couple posts ago?

Where did I say bats is scum in this post?
On December 03 2014 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 03 2014 06:21 Breshke wrote:
So if you have a gut feeling oats is scum isnt he scum not null. The mafia team is also selected at random so that souldn't be apart of your read.

Why are you reading bats as town?

bats defending me a lot this game although I feel it's because of his guilt for driving the lynch of me last game and normally townies do defend newer players a lot at least what I seen. As I said it just a gut feeling my feeling say scum but I can see him as town too so that's why I said null.

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Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 21:50 GMT
#1648
On December 03 2014 06:47 Breshke wrote:
rsoultin he is explaining his read on oats in that second bit

LS you can still not be lynched convince us meat is scum? i almost want to switch onto hopeless but i dont think there is enough people here or it is a good idea.

I sorry but I would need like a hour to prepare for the case for him and it's EoD so sorry
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Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 02 2014 22:00 GMT
#1656
Hey can I put this as my last post or does it break the rules? BTW this truly my 2nd game of TL Mafia so sorry for being a noobie I hope my next game I do better! Scum team is who you think is not scum
First time playing as scum ever it been a blast I just wish I had lived this long as a Cop not as a scum
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Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 11 2014 22:09 GMT
#2174
I think the issue for our team was mainly slam having irl troubles happening which wrecked us so hard and I never played scum before and I think this was meats first scum game too so we kind of had ot little experience on the scum team
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