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On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:
what's the reason broooo
you're all really bad this game.
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On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs But why hopeless over killersos because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together. Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE.
Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable.
On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point? good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too
Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content.
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On November 22 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs But why hopeless over killersos because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together. Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE. Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable. On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point? good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content. 1) because it is your read, you think he is scum, and the point of town is to lynch scum? why isn't it your responsibility to pursue your top scum read? do you not want to lynch scum? 2) your chez read is a pile of shit and you know it. the guy has posted 0 words in the thread, has no reads, and hasn't posted in 36 hrs; yet you deem him more town and more useful and town than an antagonistic asshole, VE who has the 2nd largest filter, and killer who idk wtf he is doing. like it is a dumpster tier read. the metrics by which you put killer as your top scum read apply to chez the same.
Chez literally has not posted words in thread, including pregame. The metrics for scumreading killer are far more conclusive/definable than the ones for scumreading chez.
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On November 22 2014 11:30 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs But why hopeless over killersos because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together. Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE. Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable. On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?
mine is:
killer
lian
ve
chez
damred why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point? good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content. 1) because it is your read, you think he is scum, and the point of town is to lynch scum? why isn't it your responsibility to pursue your top scum read? do you not want to lynch scum? 2) your chez read is a pile of shit and you know it. the guy has posted 0 words in the thread, has no reads, and hasn't posted in 36 hrs; yet you deem him more town and more useful and town than an antagonistic asshole, VE who has the 2nd largest filter, and killer who idk wtf he is doing. like it is a dumpster tier read. the metrics by which you put killer as your top scum read apply to chez the same. Chez literally has not posted words in thread, including pregame. The metrics for scumreading killer are far more conclusive/definable than the ones for scumreading chez. your first post on why you voted killer was because he was a lurker as is seen here: Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:09 Alakaslam wrote:On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list Q. Is liancourt a "lurker"? yes but nothing like KSOS hence my vote. I still gravely dislike liancourt. the rest of your justification has come after the fact, as if you are trying to further rationalize a vote. however, if your primary purpose for voting him was he was a lurker, then chez should have been #1 or #2 with him, and he wasn't. hence why it is a dumpster read.
you're a dumpster
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wait this is ms paint mafai
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On November 22 2014 11:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
ugh i dont like having a reason to scumread ve hf and rayn. makes the game so much harder. Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:59 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:
what's the reason broooo you're all really bad this game. Like you say this but you haven't really outlined why we're all really scummy at all??? You town read rayn earlier you town read me (although less at some point because i was lazy) and ve..? Dunno really. You don't say anything about any of us.
i cba anymore, too angry to care today. Lynch a lurker, i dont care which one.
VE, where did chez link my filter?
when's damdred getting back?
Did sicklucker ever comment on VE's content like I asked?
When is KillerSoS going to do anything. Or Lian. Or Chez.
On November 22 2014 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:41 sicklucker wrote:
I just realized rayn might get mod killed because he went to bed without doing a paint. Is that a thing that can really happen? Man, you're ignoring the whole discussion in the thread. I'm starting to wonder if you are too scum to be scum.
p.s. rayn paint-voted thetemplar with his timeliney post
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On November 21 2014 12:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
If you haven't voted, you have to vote.
If you haven't put up a non-voting paint pic, you have to do so.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2014 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't. Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. Which of these is the lie? Also On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes. On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion. On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!! This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent. Three things in this post: 1) This is the most damning thing. He has read the thread. I don't care if it's backwards or upside down. Still he makes a case based on not the whole thread!! Why? It doesn't make any sense. He even says "the last pages make more sense", but hey, still a case based on stuff that didn't make sense (earlier).. It's like making a case without actually making a case -- which is scummy. "Let's see if someone pushes this i can always back down if needed" (notice he doesn't even commit to his case -- no vote, no further pressure on VE). 2) Excuses. "I am bad do not listen to me". Basic stuff. Townies want to be listened. Mafia want to hide. I don't think this needs any explanation. 3) "Yo i don't have time to read other stuff now gotta do X". Don't care what you need to do because noone asked. Again, excuses before even being accused. Also compare this with #1. "I have read the thread but i don't have time to focus on other stuff (than VE) now. Why would he need to focus on other stuff if VE is mafia? He's got a fucking case he just wrote!! If he thinks VE is mafia he (1) doesn't need to focus on anything else and (2) needs to vote. Did he actually think VE is mafia? 
rayn is not being modkilled (yet)
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On November 22 2014 11:48 Holyflare wrote:
Angry about what? You call me bad and then when i point out something you did that was scummy you tried to flip it around onto me and asking why i didn't do your work for you
being repeatedly called scum is draining. Maybe angry's the wrong word but my general attitude atm is "fuck this"
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i'll be back like a half hour before deadline ish.
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back. seems like little has happened. VE showed up and then left, which is awesome.
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Unofficial vote count:
(3)hopeless1der: Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
(4)KillerSOS: The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
(1)Liancourt: KillerSOS
(2)The_Templar: Liancourt, raynpelikoneet
(3)sicklucker: Fecalfeast, Chezinu, Damdred
(1)Damdred: sicklucker
*Votes recorded in filter order from OP, not time posted in thread
**All players have paint-voted
+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QtAhxfW.png) On November 22 2014 11:56 The_Templar wrote:OK, I'm back *checks Killer$O$'s filter*  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/52IT8M4.png) On November 22 2014 01:40 KillerSOS wrote:Oh I see I lost a day of my life somewhere, I blame law school. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QHQQsGa.png?1) Lian because his initial post was a simple picture of "Mafia" and his post quality since has been less than stellar (calling yourself mafia is either super meta or just a great way to kill lynched) On November 20 2014 19:00 liancourt wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iE9jphg.png) On November 22 2014 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vIXfYvd.jpg) On November 21 2014 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote:I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post.VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player On November 20 2014 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare knows that me being sure of my reads doesn't make me scum. He knows this. I can't fathom why he'd call me scummy if he's town. I literally can't. Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.
Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? On November 20 2014 17:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. Which of these is the lie? Also On November 20 2014 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not even dealing in absolutes. On November 20 2014 16:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der He's probably still mafia. But HF first. Because he's a danger to town. Hopeless is just a danger of being annoyingly defensive. HF will lead you into oblivion. On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:
I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. On November 20 2014 15:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez drew a picture of me <3
Chez top town FOR LIFE!!!!!! This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent. Three things in this post: 1) This is the most damning thing. He has read the thread. I don't care if it's backwards or upside down. Still he makes a case based on not the whole thread!! Why? It doesn't make any sense. He even says "the last pages make more sense", but hey, still a case based on stuff that didn't make sense (earlier).. It's like making a case without actually making a case -- which is scummy. "Let's see if someone pushes this i can always back down if needed" (notice he doesn't even commit to his case -- no vote, no further pressure on VE). 2) Excuses. "I am bad do not listen to me". Basic stuff. Townies want to be listened. Mafia want to hide. I don't think this needs any explanation. 3) "Yo i don't have time to read other stuff now gotta do X". Don't care what you need to do because noone asked. Again, excuses before even being accused. Also compare this with #1. "I have read the thread but i don't have time to focus on other stuff (than VE) now. Why would he need to focus on other stuff if VE is mafia? He's got a fucking case he just wrote!! If he thinks VE is mafia he (1) doesn't need to focus on anything else and (2) needs to vote. Did he actually think VE is mafia? On November 22 2014 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CS8PbUP.png?1) On November 22 2014 11:55 Fecalfeast wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/15MJN87.png) On November 22 2014 09:52 sicklucker wrote:I was just cleaning a toilet thinking of how awesome it would be to switch my vote to damdred. Then I saw this awesome defensive post. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uAknO2J.png) On November 22 2014 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MSMyl4v.png) On November 21 2014 05:14 Chezinu wrote: On November 22 2014 12:36 Damdred wrote:![[image loading]](http://i60.tinypic.com/2nqv4vp.png) On November 22 2014 11:36 ritoky wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/a60b2780e304026defdaf0e66c7b2f62.png) On November 22 2014 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pRZkVac.png)
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On November 22 2014 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
hmmmmm do I really want to switch to hopeless?
yeah, lynch the only other person in the thread at deadline. good plan.
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On November 22 2014 13:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
how is activity at deadline alignment indicative?
usually it wouldnt be...this game I'd like to believe it counts for something. Like I get needing to sleep for the Euro's, but wtf no one else is around?
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Killer NEVER returned as promised, chez posted his vote yesterday, so did lian, neither have done a goddamn thing today.
HF says "sheep me I'm god". Rayn says "sheep me I'm god". VE sheeps...
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On November 22 2014 20:32 Holyflare wrote:no you fucked up you are voting hopeless, nothing you say is relevant anymore you have lost your opinion in this game until you sheep me correctly
No, YOU fucked up, all day long. I will not be lynched this game. I'll be back after work. In the meantime I want to know why VE basically ninja voted me without pushing anything.
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On November 22 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote:
hopeless literally used him being around at deadline as a reason to not vote him, in order to save himself, even though he said pre-game that he'd be around only at deadlines anyway
that's not towny
I'm sorry, I was salty that I was one of the few who gave a shit to be around at deadline
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"Didn't want to lynch our blue role"
WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS BLUE?
My "best" information is flawed because you're pushing a towny and have a reputation for leading scum lynches Day 1.
I returned to thread, commented that I was back, made a vote count and wondered why no one was around.
Going to work now, out of cell range soon.
p.s. VE is my top scum.
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