My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him.
This is a player that is new to mafia; his first game. He even states this somewhat at the beginning of the thread by posting that he doesn't understand what tunneling is, and votes for Superbia because everyone else was at the time.
He reaffirms that he is a new player by posting that he had to go to some mafia wiki and look up how to play:
On November 04 2014 14:47 Immaterial wrote:On November 04 2014 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:He made some rather strange posts earlier in the thread
On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange.
This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy?
I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context.
My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts.
He seems to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post
On November 03 2014 12:57 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:38 Breshke wrote:On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange.
This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy?
I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context.
My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts.
Who's posts, which ones try quote them if you can. What do you think about them because of these posts?
I suppose the main post I'm referring to in regard to Superbia is Kelsier's:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
Superbia's initial posts seemed trollish at the very least. He just dropped the posts and bailed from the thread... Maybe he's just busy, but in any case it seems that doing what he did serves little purpose but to instill confusion/chaos among the town. Kelsier's reasoning in the post quoted above regarding Superbia seems sound.
It's very fishy for me with those two posts.
Sorry guys, haven't had a whole lot of time today so I'm just now reading the thread. Time is likely to continue to be tight for me until Thursday due to work obligations.
I see that many people are getting scummy vibes from me, and I understand to a degree. I readily acknowledge that my posts haven't been particularly valuable, and my analysis has been limited. Hopefully I can change the trend by extending this post beyond merely defending myself. But I have to start there:
In response to Lightning's post in particular, you said that I "seem[ed] to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post." In fact, the only reason I made the post in question is that I was prompted by Breshke to explain further. My explanation perhaps was not based on the most sound possible reason, but it was my sincere feeling at the time regarding Superbia.What some of you have perceived as suspicious or scummy behaviour is in fact just my honest efforts at forcing myself to contribute. My natural tendency is to lurk and speak when spoken to.
I will attempt now to give my overall impressions of some of the other players in here and my reads on them. My confidence level on all of these reads is quite low, but I want to at least demonstrate that I'm putting effort towards trying to figure things out.
I was sketched by the Superbia thing, but now that he's back I don't really detect negative vibes from him. I feel like I jumped the gun significantly on my vote, and as such would like to
##Unvote. I intend to think my next vote through more carefully -- if not based on my own analysis, I will try to make my it based on sound analysis from another poster.
I was initially sketched out by Breshke. He just asked a lot of questions and made a post or two that I thought were questionable early (the "decent player" comment and the one about mafia putting in effort). As the thread has progressed, my read has reversed. At this point, I feel Breshke has been one of the more concise and contributive posters.
My read on lightning is neutral. His suspicion against me was reasonable, but I do think designating me as "top scum" is a bit much.
In regard to Elvis!, somewhat early on I had a strange thought. Elvis! kept mentioning the Superbia posts, but repeatedly placed emphasis on the fact that how Super follows up the posts is what really matters; in his words, "
His reaction is all that counts. So I imagined that Elvis + super were both aligned mafia, and that Super would come back and make a post or series of posts that would negate the suspicion drawn early. Thereby wasting our time + evading blame. In this scenario, Elvis' posts were intended to help ensure that everyone only paid attention to Super's subsequent reaction. Perhaps this is silly, and I'm not even close to convinced of it now (if i was I may not have retracted Super vote), but it's a thought.
As for Elvis' more recent posts, I've seen some people voting for him to by lynched, but I haven't seen any posts from him that really jump out at me. I do get a general negative vibe from him, but I can't substantiate the claim enough to really say that I read him as scum.
Batsnacks -- initial read scum (pretty unfounded in retrospect), now neutral.
Grack -- Neutral, leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating.
FF -- Neutral leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating.
Seraj -- Leaning scum. His initial comment was of absolutely zero value and was intended to be of zero value. As well, I disagree with this read: "Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia." I just didn't get that feeling at all, and this comment seemed baseless. His subsequent vote for Fecalfeast seemed somewhat suspect as well.
This is my best effort at analyzing what's happened so far. If there's a point I didn't extrapolate on, you can bet that it's more of a feeling than a firmly-rooted analytical conclusion.
The problem with this post is that the person who posted this and the person who didn't know what "tunneling" meant a mere hours before seems to have learned a great deal in a short amount of time. Feels like someone hopped into mafia chat for a while and was told what to post in order to salvage what was turning into a bad situation for him. He doesn't actually say anything of substance in the post, either - it reads more like a PR announcement. It's basically a gigantic post about how certain people aren't scum, but there's no actual explanation as to why they aren't scum; they just aren't in his opinion.
EPT
