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Alright, I can get behind that.
##unvote
##vote Immaterial
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On November 05 2014 06:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:24 Superbia wrote:
Wait so we have an un-CCed cop claim? I just got back. We have a possibly-CC'd detective claim
What the fuck is a possibly-CC? Let me catch up completely.
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Uh guys
From Mafiascum wiki
The Tracker learns who a player targeted, but not what action that player performed.
The Watcher learns who targeted a player, but not what actions were performed on them.
There is a difference. Stop arguing about what role is which, he claimed and we have some lynch targets.
It's EoD, talk about why people are scum and not the setup
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I guess we can confirm LS later and even if he did it so scummy-like, he is the only one hard claiming cop.
I still don't believe him..
##unvote
can I get a link to an immaterial case? I have to leave in less than 15 minutes.
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
Vote Count
Serejai (1): Elvis!
[UoN]Sentinel (3): Superbia, LightningStrike, kushm4sta
LightningStrike (5): batsnacks, KelsierSC, Breshke, Immaterial, [UoN]Sentinel
Immaterial (2): Grackaroni, Serejai
Not Voting (2): Cricketer12, FecalFeast
Currently, LightningStrike is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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Canada11355 Posts
On November 05 2014 06:27 Elvis! wrote:
Uh guys
From Mafiascum wiki
The Tracker learns who a player targeted, but not what action that player performed.
The Watcher learns who targeted a player, but not what actions were performed on them.
There is a difference. Stop arguing about what role is which, he claimed and we have some lynch targets.
It's EoD, talk about why people are scum and not the setup
I retract my statement.
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The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher.
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On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher.
Yeah but as scum he would know that and wouldnt claim cop because if he is scum cop claim was probably to bait a CC
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The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!
I missed this before. Interesting.
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sniped by sentinel I guess.
So we have
Serejai - caught a lot of times for lying etc. - anyone can read my posts on him. I'm still confident he's scum.
Lightning - is being ridiculous and also lied quite some. He seems really confused and newbie. Most likely donkey scum.
Sentinel - is being up and down with his posts, I don't know right now tbh. Would rather lynch someone who I'm sure about, which is why I have my vote on Serejai.
Kush - was absent and now is being weird. And calling stuff out.
Immaterial - just voted on someone even though he says he hasn't read thread.
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On November 05 2014 06:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess we can confirm LS later and even if he did it so scummy-like, he is the only one hard claiming cop.
I still don't believe him..
##unvote
can I get a link to an immaterial case? I have to leave in less than 15 minutes.
You can have mine, but you probably won't like it.
On November 05 2014 03:58 Serejai wrote:My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him. I would be willing to change my vote to Immaterial as well, and here's why: This is a player that is new to mafia; his first game. He even states this somewhat at the beginning of the thread by posting that he doesn't understand what tunneling is, and votes for Superbia because everyone else was at the time. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. He reaffirms that he is a new player by posting that he had to go to some mafia wiki and look up how to play: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:
I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context.
A few hours later he makes a giant post about various people: Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 14:47 Immaterial wrote:On November 04 2014 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:He made some rather strange posts earlier in the thread On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. He seems to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post On November 03 2014 12:57 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:38 Breshke wrote:On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. Who's posts, which ones try quote them if you can. What do you think about them because of these posts? I suppose the main post I'm referring to in regard to Superbia is Kelsier's: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
Superbia's initial posts seemed trollish at the very least. He just dropped the posts and bailed from the thread... Maybe he's just busy, but in any case it seems that doing what he did serves little purpose but to instill confusion/chaos among the town. Kelsier's reasoning in the post quoted above regarding Superbia seems sound. It's very fishy for me with those two posts. Sorry guys, haven't had a whole lot of time today so I'm just now reading the thread. Time is likely to continue to be tight for me until Thursday due to work obligations. I see that many people are getting scummy vibes from me, and I understand to a degree. I readily acknowledge that my posts haven't been particularly valuable, and my analysis has been limited. Hopefully I can change the trend by extending this post beyond merely defending myself. But I have to start there: In response to Lightning's post in particular, you said that I "seem[ed] to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post." In fact, the only reason I made the post in question is that I was prompted by Breshke to explain further. My explanation perhaps was not based on the most sound possible reason, but it was my sincere feeling at the time regarding Superbia.What some of you have perceived as suspicious or scummy behaviour is in fact just my honest efforts at forcing myself to contribute. My natural tendency is to lurk and speak when spoken to. I will attempt now to give my overall impressions of some of the other players in here and my reads on them. My confidence level on all of these reads is quite low, but I want to at least demonstrate that I'm putting effort towards trying to figure things out. I was sketched by the Superbia thing, but now that he's back I don't really detect negative vibes from him. I feel like I jumped the gun significantly on my vote, and as such would like to ##Unvote. I intend to think my next vote through more carefully -- if not based on my own analysis, I will try to make my it based on sound analysis from another poster. I was initially sketched out by Breshke. He just asked a lot of questions and made a post or two that I thought were questionable early (the "decent player" comment and the one about mafia putting in effort). As the thread has progressed, my read has reversed. At this point, I feel Breshke has been one of the more concise and contributive posters. My read on lightning is neutral. His suspicion against me was reasonable, but I do think designating me as "top scum" is a bit much. In regard to Elvis!, somewhat early on I had a strange thought. Elvis! kept mentioning the Superbia posts, but repeatedly placed emphasis on the fact that how Super follows up the posts is what really matters; in his words, " His reaction is all that counts. So I imagined that Elvis + super were both aligned mafia, and that Super would come back and make a post or series of posts that would negate the suspicion drawn early. Thereby wasting our time + evading blame. In this scenario, Elvis' posts were intended to help ensure that everyone only paid attention to Super's subsequent reaction. Perhaps this is silly, and I'm not even close to convinced of it now (if i was I may not have retracted Super vote), but it's a thought. As for Elvis' more recent posts, I've seen some people voting for him to by lynched, but I haven't seen any posts from him that really jump out at me. I do get a general negative vibe from him, but I can't substantiate the claim enough to really say that I read him as scum. Batsnacks -- initial read scum (pretty unfounded in retrospect), now neutral. Grack -- Neutral, leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating. FF -- Neutral leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating. Seraj -- Leaning scum. His initial comment was of absolutely zero value and was intended to be of zero value. As well, I disagree with this read: "Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia." I just didn't get that feeling at all, and this comment seemed baseless. His subsequent vote for Fecalfeast seemed somewhat suspect as well. This is my best effort at analyzing what's happened so far. If there's a point I didn't extrapolate on, you can bet that it's more of a feeling than a firmly-rooted analytical conclusion. The problem with this post is that the person who posted this and the person who didn't know what "tunneling" meant a mere hours before seems to have learned a great deal in a short amount of time. Feels like someone hopped into mafia chat for a while and was told what to post in order to salvage what was turning into a bad situation for him. He doesn't actually say anything of substance in the post, either - it reads more like a PR announcement. It's basically a gigantic post about how certain people aren't scum, but there's no actual explanation as to why they aren't scum; they just aren't in his opinion.
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##unvote
##vote Immaterial
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On November 05 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher. Yeah but as scum he would know that and wouldnt claim cop because if he is scum cop claim was probably to bait a CC
But nobody would oppose him that way. It's only when he's about to get lynched that he can buy himself another day. Then he can give out reads as needed. Maybe even sacrifice himself to kill two townies and waste a lynch, since, even though he dies, it stops any discussion? That last part I'm unsure about, but I could see myself doing a fakeclaim like that as scum.
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People please post your opinons, why you vote who
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On November 05 2014 06:31 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess we can confirm LS later and even if he did it so scummy-like, he is the only one hard claiming cop.
I still don't believe him..
##unvote
can I get a link to an immaterial case? I have to leave in less than 15 minutes. You can have mine, but you probably won't like it. Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 03:58 Serejai wrote:My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him. I would be willing to change my vote to Immaterial as well, and here's why: This is a player that is new to mafia; his first game. He even states this somewhat at the beginning of the thread by posting that he doesn't understand what tunneling is, and votes for Superbia because everyone else was at the time. On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. He reaffirms that he is a new player by posting that he had to go to some mafia wiki and look up how to play: On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:
I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context.
A few hours later he makes a giant post about various people: On November 04 2014 14:47 Immaterial wrote:On November 04 2014 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:He made some rather strange posts earlier in the thread On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. He seems to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post On November 03 2014 12:57 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:38 Breshke wrote:On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. Who's posts, which ones try quote them if you can. What do you think about them because of these posts? I suppose the main post I'm referring to in regard to Superbia is Kelsier's: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
Superbia's initial posts seemed trollish at the very least. He just dropped the posts and bailed from the thread... Maybe he's just busy, but in any case it seems that doing what he did serves little purpose but to instill confusion/chaos among the town. Kelsier's reasoning in the post quoted above regarding Superbia seems sound. It's very fishy for me with those two posts. Sorry guys, haven't had a whole lot of time today so I'm just now reading the thread. Time is likely to continue to be tight for me until Thursday due to work obligations. I see that many people are getting scummy vibes from me, and I understand to a degree. I readily acknowledge that my posts haven't been particularly valuable, and my analysis has been limited. Hopefully I can change the trend by extending this post beyond merely defending myself. But I have to start there: In response to Lightning's post in particular, you said that I "seem[ed] to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post." In fact, the only reason I made the post in question is that I was prompted by Breshke to explain further. My explanation perhaps was not based on the most sound possible reason, but it was my sincere feeling at the time regarding Superbia.What some of you have perceived as suspicious or scummy behaviour is in fact just my honest efforts at forcing myself to contribute. My natural tendency is to lurk and speak when spoken to. I will attempt now to give my overall impressions of some of the other players in here and my reads on them. My confidence level on all of these reads is quite low, but I want to at least demonstrate that I'm putting effort towards trying to figure things out. I was sketched by the Superbia thing, but now that he's back I don't really detect negative vibes from him. I feel like I jumped the gun significantly on my vote, and as such would like to ##Unvote. I intend to think my next vote through more carefully -- if not based on my own analysis, I will try to make my it based on sound analysis from another poster. I was initially sketched out by Breshke. He just asked a lot of questions and made a post or two that I thought were questionable early (the "decent player" comment and the one about mafia putting in effort). As the thread has progressed, my read has reversed. At this point, I feel Breshke has been one of the more concise and contributive posters. My read on lightning is neutral. His suspicion against me was reasonable, but I do think designating me as "top scum" is a bit much. In regard to Elvis!, somewhat early on I had a strange thought. Elvis! kept mentioning the Superbia posts, but repeatedly placed emphasis on the fact that how Super follows up the posts is what really matters; in his words, " His reaction is all that counts. So I imagined that Elvis + super were both aligned mafia, and that Super would come back and make a post or series of posts that would negate the suspicion drawn early. Thereby wasting our time + evading blame. In this scenario, Elvis' posts were intended to help ensure that everyone only paid attention to Super's subsequent reaction. Perhaps this is silly, and I'm not even close to convinced of it now (if i was I may not have retracted Super vote), but it's a thought. As for Elvis' more recent posts, I've seen some people voting for him to by lynched, but I haven't seen any posts from him that really jump out at me. I do get a general negative vibe from him, but I can't substantiate the claim enough to really say that I read him as scum. Batsnacks -- initial read scum (pretty unfounded in retrospect), now neutral. Grack -- Neutral, leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating. FF -- Neutral leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating. Seraj -- Leaning scum. His initial comment was of absolutely zero value and was intended to be of zero value. As well, I disagree with this read: "Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia." I just didn't get that feeling at all, and this comment seemed baseless. His subsequent vote for Fecalfeast seemed somewhat suspect as well. This is my best effort at analyzing what's happened so far. If there's a point I didn't extrapolate on, you can bet that it's more of a feeling than a firmly-rooted analytical conclusion. The problem with this post is that the person who posted this and the person who didn't know what "tunneling" meant a mere hours before seems to have learned a great deal in a short amount of time. Feels like someone hopped into mafia chat for a while and was told what to post in order to salvage what was turning into a bad situation for him. He doesn't actually say anything of substance in the post, either - it reads more like a PR announcement. It's basically a gigantic post about how certain people aren't scum, but there's no actual explanation as to why they aren't scum; they just aren't in his opinion.
Yeeaaahhh, I like the inconsistency point but again anything you claim to be from scum chat could also be from coach chat. Is there any other conclusion you can come to other than he got the info from scum QT?
I'll do some looking on my own I guess.
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Also if we don't lynch LS now we commit to having him alive until either a proper CC or Lylo because he will just claim roleblocked the rest of the game as mafia or on the off chance he is cop
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Serejai brought a good post on Immaterial and I agreed with him that why I changed my vote.
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On November 05 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher. Yeah but as scum he would know that and wouldnt claim cop because if he is scum cop claim was probably to bait a CC
I was actually thinking the opposite. That they know there is no cop and can claim it freely when on the chopping block for a free day.
I think he executed it poorly, though.
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