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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 11 2014 21:53 GMT
#2341
If you're already dedicating 2/3 lynches to myself and FF I feel there's a pretty fucking high chance we'll lose the game.
Minimal effort.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 11 2014 21:54 GMT
#2342
Rayn do you agree that if im the solo mafia I NEVER kill you and I would kill serejai 10/10?
I feel like you should come out and say that im confirmed town if your voted out because no ones going to listen to me.

THERES NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD NIGHT KILL THE ONLY PERSON KEEPING ME IN THIS GAME.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2014 21:55 GMT
#2343
Here is the thing:

This is a post mafia!Superbia made in FFM2 game.
On October 26 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:
Some other thoughts:

Both newfriends (FF/Elvis, now Marv) are probably town. Explained Elvis already. FF is being sarcastic and funny. He isn't really doing anything but he also doesn't seem scared of being lynched. Last game I played he was scum and became serious as soon as people (I) were (was) pushing on him.

Damdred is leaning scum for me atm. Only noticed this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 23 2014 23:30 Damdred wrote:
I always joke about rolling onto a scum team with bats and with kush in this game it becomes even better. I think bats still gets messages from kush about passes.

And to be honest, rolling scum is tiring you have to fake everything can't post to much or give things away. Hard to fake reads etc, so yea I really wanted to play my last game and couldn't so i'm happy i finally get to play a game instead of sitting on the sidelines if that makes sense.

@Storr, I was asked what my scum leans were I said who and why. They were both legitimate reasons and the reasons I lean'd you as scum haven't changed at all your tone still sounds fake, feels like you are just going through the motions. And I actually you know found the game where you talked about your tunneling and if it was a town tell or not.

@HF could you tell me what you th ink of robiks post?

in which it becomes clear he's definitely not scum guys! None of his other posts made it into my (death) note book, which is a bad sign.

Liancourt is also leaning scum for me at the moment. I liked his initial meta-read on storr (it was wrong, but it seemed townie). He then gets townread because he’s happy and carefree and proceeds to do fuck all the rest of the game.
Shit like this also feels scummy to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 25 2014 04:07 liancourt wrote:
Thrawn and slam have said rayns town i have no idea where they are getting this from

Good question, why is rayn being townread by thrawn (drparnassus) and slam? Pressure is being put on Parnassus (lian should be happy) and then he’s like:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 25 2014 06:07 liancourt wrote:
Is superbia actually playing this game?

“Where’s this one afker guys???” Why are you diverting attention when someone is being pressured who you were questioning? Feels scummy and possibly aligns lian with Parnassus.

GlowingBear is leaning town for me. Had some decentish posts. Specifically liked his case on lian.

Kushm4sta is null for me atm. I only recall his short overview (list) post of which the shortness felt townie to me (i.e. mafia would’ve probably put in more effort), but I can’t really recall what was in it.

Holyflare is mafia for me at the moment. I liked his initial reaction to parnassus’ opening post, that’s it. Two posts stood out to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 23 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
Glad we are doing things.... Either way, I've seen 2 people (robik and (storr??)) say that gb is town when he's posted literally nothing, not to mention that robik had called me and gb town but then retroactively wanted to take that back based on another post of mine which meant he hadn't actually read anything other than page 1 of the thread

Thrawn has some weird double association read which i don't like at all and is quite frankly weird to begin with because he is town reading one of the most unreadable players (as is rayn)


Feels like a lot of information but is actually a complete air post. Saying literally nothing here, and made me suspicious. Then comes this (le) gem:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:
let's all back away from fecal for a bit and I want him to post concisely his surmised points on why someone (lian?) is mafia rather than just going back and forth about one thing or another, that way all his thoughts are in one place and we can connect them to what he's been saying through the thread

Absolutely no need to defend FF here. The pressure was mediocre at best at this point in time. Seems like mafia trying to get free townie points here. Town would’ve just asked FF for his points on lian without taking away the pressure. Yeah, he pushed (and voted) on bats early on, but I don’t recall him contributing much to the push during the EoD. Also I would’ve probably bussed badsnacks if I was his partner too.

IamRobik is leaning town to me. Most of his posts feel townie (though different from last game I played with him).

Justanothertownie is slightly leaning town to me. Had a tryhard and pushy opening, followed by some straightforward neutral townposts.

DrParnassus is leaning scum to me. I loved his first post, and don’t recall any of his other posts. Strong opening followed by weak play is probably scum. Also this recent post really ticked me off:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 26 2014 07:24 DrParnassus wrote:
Fecalfeast if you are town then it should be so obvious to you that I'm town. If I was mafia I could have buried you yesterday because that's where the thread sentiment (mainly talking about JAT who was doing a lot of the talking) was going once people decided they might not want to lynch me.

This feels like mafia trying to salvage losing a team-mate d1 (i.e. trying to get something positive out of the lynch, which the lynch is already very positive for town is scummy).


Here is a post town!Superbia made in his latest(?) newbiegame:
On October 09 2014 03:23 Superbia wrote:
I have the ball rolling already dude. We're also not lynching a lurker. They get modkilled or replaced. It's a waste of a lynch.

My circles:
town:
abuse

leaning town:
loaf
fecalfeast
Rad

null:
Elvis!
dusts

scum:
The_Zen_Man
breshke


Now here is a post he made this game:
On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!

The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.

Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"

Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel


Some other thoughts:

Batsnacks - I'm okay with bats at the moment. His push on me seemed like the typical "push for info" I expect to see at the start of d1. Leaning town for now.

KelsierSC -
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 09:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Ff is my first town.. Firstly explaining to sentinal about the bh being rng king. And secondly he went back and checked the possible set ups after kush made his pronouncement then he asked kush to explain himself. That is a guy putting in the effort to catch scum.


Was an incredibly weak read at best. Feels more like a pocket or possibly (dare I hope) aligned scum. Scumlean on Kelsier. Townpoints to breshke for pinging him out for it. Also does the exact same thing as FF (see below)

Fecalfeast -
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.

At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.

If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot.


Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF.

Breshke - This is a different Breshke from what I'm used to (he's way more proactive than before). His questions are spot on and the mindset behind his posts feels very town. The fact that he's more proactive only adds to to the towniness. Top town at the moment.

Elvis! - Elvis made sense and seems to have the same viewpoint as I would have on my post. Leaning town.

Grackaroni - Defends me, and I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hands his arguments are valid and logical, on the other hand, why defend me? Don't feel like the thread was stagnating at that point in time, and there was still information to be gained. Grack, why did you defend me?

Immaterial - Null. Not sure if newbie town or mafai. Sheeps Kelsier, which is horrible. Gets pinged out for faulty logic (which is by extension Kelsier's faulty logic), but keeps his vote on me regardless, which feels a little more like town pressuring than scum sheeping. Would like to see more content from him before I make up my mind (his prose is also pretty decent).

LightningStrike - Leaning mafia. Sheeps the vote for me but doesn't really seem to have a real opinion on the matter. This post screams mafia trying to insert themselves into a push/conversation:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 22:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up and saw someone thinking as a scum and I can understand a bit because I still a new player on TL mafia. But currently Elvis mainly made really large posts from what I had seen except when he said he will be in a couple of hours after uni and we will need to wait for a response from him. ## Unvote it seem just Superbia made some troll posts and we kind of over reacted to it.



In conclusion: I feel like Sentinel is the most likely hit at the moment, followed by Kelsier and then FF or LightningStrike. At least 2 in those 4.


Need to get opinions/content from the following people:
- Serejai
- Cricketer12
- kushm4sta





Notice the similitaries in the mafia!post and this game's post?
Mafia tends to want to look like they are contributing. Listposts kinda "look good" because there is "much info" in them. all of the posts i quoted are listposts. In his towngame Superbia doesn't give any fucks about the reasoning behind his reads. In his mafia game (which is similar to the post to this game) he seems more interested in how he looks rather than "this is what i think".

There is a lot of useless info in the first and third quoted post. Info that doesn't puhs the game into any certain direction. It just "looks good because wow many words". This is what i meant when i said Superbia to me feels like he is not trying to contribute towards lynching mafia, but is rather interested in how he looks.

If you want to read those games in full (or his filter) go look at them. FFM2 and Newbie mini LXI (or smth, last newbie game). In the newbie game Superbia doesn't give any fucks how he looks. He says what he thinks and makes cases on people he thinks are mafia. In this game (or FFM2) -- never.

That's why i mainly think he is scum and you need to lynch him.
table for two on a tv tray
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 11 2014 21:57 GMT
#2344
On November 12 2014 06:53 Superbia wrote:
If you're already dedicating 2/3 lynches to myself and FF I feel there's a pretty fucking high chance we'll lose the game.


why is ff so clear? I think hes my top lynch now why do you think he is town?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 11 2014 21:59 GMT
#2345
On November 12 2014 06:48 Superbia wrote:
Are you fucking serious rayn? This is what you got out of my filter? That you have no idea where my votes have been or what I have done to get my lynches lynched? Let me spell it out for you:

d1: Was going on Sentinel and my read starts solidying, then I come home during 2nd half of the day to see two cop claims fighting it out.
d2. I want to lynch sent or kelsier. As day goes by it becomes obvious that kelsier needs to die that day or will probably be alive for the rest of the game, so I push hard for kelsier's lynch.
d3: Lynch was really straightforward.

Yeah right, this is just what i talked about.

Oh man, you pushed this scum (you are now trying to take some credit of lynching -- apparently) so hard!!!
So hard, everyone must remember how hard you pushed Sentinel as mafia on D1 and D2.

/end sarcasm

no, you didn't push him which to me means you didn't want to lynch him.
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 11 2014 22:01 GMT
#2346
Ya it almost seems to me like that whole early superbia post was just to distance himself from sentinel
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 11 2014 22:01 GMT
#2347
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 11 2014 22:06 GMT
#2348
I can't even properly fucking contest that shit man. I've had 4 games played and I'm looking to change my playstyle somewhat every single game. I tried a more in your face style during the newbie game, and I ended up losing that game. I replaced into FFM2 during essentially d2 into an essentially lost game, so that's a horrible example of my mafia play. If anything you want to look at the werewolf game, where I was mafia and we had a very active QT.

If you don't think there's any good info in the post you quoted from this game then I don't even fucking know what to tell you. I made a morning d1 play to get shit going and probably decided that I had to justify my reads after I came back to the game because there was a massive train going on me.
Minimal effort.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
November 11 2014 22:09 GMT
#2349
On November 12 2014 06:54 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn do you agree that if im the solo mafia I NEVER kill you and I would kill serejai 10/10?
I feel like you should come out and say that im confirmed town if your voted out because no ones going to listen to me.

THERES NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD NIGHT KILL THE ONLY PERSON KEEPING ME IN THIS GAME.


And you don't see how this post makes you scummy as shit?

"If rayn dies town then I am 100% confirmed town too because he thought I was town" - WRONG

"if i were mafia I wouldn't kill the guy that thinks im town" - WRONG. You would do exactly this because then nobody would suspect you, since you would also be "confirmed town" and all.

"you should come out and say im confirmed town" - WRONG, because that's not possible for him to do. You will never be confirmed town until you actually flip green, regardless of how many times you make up these random-ass reasons for why you have to be.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 11 2014 22:12 GMT
#2350
On November 12 2014 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 06:48 Superbia wrote:
Are you fucking serious rayn? This is what you got out of my filter? That you have no idea where my votes have been or what I have done to get my lynches lynched? Let me spell it out for you:

d1: Was going on Sentinel and my read starts solidying, then I come home during 2nd half of the day to see two cop claims fighting it out.
d2. I want to lynch sent or kelsier. As day goes by it becomes obvious that kelsier needs to die that day or will probably be alive for the rest of the game, so I push hard for kelsier's lynch.
d3: Lynch was really straightforward.

Yeah right, this is just what i talked about.

Oh man, you pushed this scum (you are now trying to take some credit of lynching -- apparently) so hard!!!
So hard, everyone must remember how hard you pushed Sentinel as mafia on D1 and D2.

/end sarcasm

no, you didn't push him which to me means you didn't want to lynch him.


Like what the fuck do you expect me to do? There's two fucking cop claims wanting to lynch each and you expect me to just ignore that shit and push on my read? Fucking hard information takes precedence.
Minimal effort.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 11 2014 22:12 GMT
#2351
On November 12 2014 07:09 Serejai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 06:54 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn do you agree that if im the solo mafia I NEVER kill you and I would kill serejai 10/10?
I feel like you should come out and say that im confirmed town if your voted out because no ones going to listen to me.

THERES NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD NIGHT KILL THE ONLY PERSON KEEPING ME IN THIS GAME.


And you don't see how this post makes you scummy as shit?

"If rayn dies town then I am 100% confirmed town too because he thought I was town" - WRONG

"if i were mafia I wouldn't kill the guy that thinks im town" - WRONG. You would do exactly this because then nobody would suspect you, since you would also be "confirmed town" and all.

"you should come out and say im confirmed town" - WRONG, because that's not possible for him to do. You will never be confirmed town until you actually flip green, regardless of how many times you make up these random-ass reasons for why you have to be.


No your scummy as shit for posting that . I used very sensible logic. Ask yourself this If im mafia do I have anychance winning if both you, ff and elvis are tunneling? Nope thats 3 votes I have to kill one of you tonight. Where as rayn is staking his mafia reputation that im town. I would not lynch him as mafier...
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
November 11 2014 22:14 GMT
#2352
On November 12 2014 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 07:09 Serejai wrote:
On November 12 2014 06:54 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn do you agree that if im the solo mafia I NEVER kill you and I would kill serejai 10/10?
I feel like you should come out and say that im confirmed town if your voted out because no ones going to listen to me.

THERES NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD NIGHT KILL THE ONLY PERSON KEEPING ME IN THIS GAME.


And you don't see how this post makes you scummy as shit?

"If rayn dies town then I am 100% confirmed town too because he thought I was town" - WRONG

"if i were mafia I wouldn't kill the guy that thinks im town" - WRONG. You would do exactly this because then nobody would suspect you, since you would also be "confirmed town" and all.

"you should come out and say im confirmed town" - WRONG, because that's not possible for him to do. You will never be confirmed town until you actually flip green, regardless of how many times you make up these random-ass reasons for why you have to be.


No your scummy as shit for posting that . I used very sensible logic. Ask yourself this If im mafia do I have anychance winning if both you, ff and elvis are tunneling? Nope thats 3 votes I have to kill one of you tonight. Where as rayn is staking his mafia reputation that im town. I would not lynch him as mafier...


But you said yourself that if rayn dies it confirms you as town, so as scum wouldn't you want to be confirmed town? You're contradicting yourself.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 11 2014 22:14 GMT
#2353
On November 12 2014 07:14 Serejai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
On November 12 2014 07:09 Serejai wrote:
On November 12 2014 06:54 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn do you agree that if im the solo mafia I NEVER kill you and I would kill serejai 10/10?
I feel like you should come out and say that im confirmed town if your voted out because no ones going to listen to me.

THERES NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD NIGHT KILL THE ONLY PERSON KEEPING ME IN THIS GAME.


And you don't see how this post makes you scummy as shit?

"If rayn dies town then I am 100% confirmed town too because he thought I was town" - WRONG

"if i were mafia I wouldn't kill the guy that thinks im town" - WRONG. You would do exactly this because then nobody would suspect you, since you would also be "confirmed town" and all.

"you should come out and say im confirmed town" - WRONG, because that's not possible for him to do. You will never be confirmed town until you actually flip green, regardless of how many times you make up these random-ass reasons for why you have to be.


No your scummy as shit for posting that . I used very sensible logic. Ask yourself this If im mafia do I have anychance winning if both you, ff and elvis are tunneling? Nope thats 3 votes I have to kill one of you tonight. Where as rayn is staking his mafia reputation that im town. I would not lynch him as mafier...


But you said yourself that if rayn dies it confirms you as town, so as scum wouldn't you want to be confirmed town? You're contradicting yourself.


brick fucking wall.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 11 2014 22:16 GMT
#2354
Sick lucker let me try run you through this before people get mad

So as mafia you wouldn't kill rayn because he is the only person reading you town.

Therefore if someone else dies it is probably you who is mafia

Therefore as mafia why wouldn't you kill rayn so people don't think you are mafia.

Understand?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 11 2014 22:16 GMT
#2355
I agree your logic makes some sense tho and I never said confirmed I said "almost confirm" at some point you gotta stop thinking im some evil mastermind and help me win the game
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 11 2014 22:17 GMT
#2356
Hey the night is over stop posting
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 11 2014 22:20 GMT
#2357
On November 12 2014 07:16 Breshke wrote:
Sick lucker let me try run you through this before people get mad

So as mafia you wouldn't kill rayn because he is the only person reading you town.

Therefore if someone else dies it is probably you who is mafia

Therefore as mafia why wouldn't you kill rayn so people don't think you are mafia.

Understand?


NO i get that but If rayns not lynched at least as mafia I would have a chance to change peoples minds.
IF rayns lynched here at some point its going to be me, elvis , serejai, ff . And then im 100% gone and have no chance to win as you've noticed theres not changing these peoples minds.

If I vote out rayn I have 0% chance. but If I vote out serejai I have a slim chance?

Am I making anysense to you?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 01:36:56
November 11 2014 23:00 GMT
#2358
Day 4


[image loading]


Batsnacks the Doctor is dead!




Day ends in 47 hours from this post at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Whoever has the most votes on them at that time gets lynched.

Countdown:
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 11 2014 23:02 GMT
#2359
I'd kill super before I killed elvis
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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 11 2014 23:05 GMT
#2360
so SL rayn didn't die does this mean you are mafia?

Do you see how your logic here doesn't really work.
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