On November 18 2014 23:28 sicklucker wrote:
Super most of my interactions with obiwan tonight have suggested hes the scum here. He also thinks your a likely scum but at the same time he also wants to sleep? If we sleep and your the mafia we also lose so Hes kind of caught imo

Basically I went into this setting a trap. Whoever wants to sleep has to clearly be scum here. while the one who is convinced by me that sleeping is really bad (because it is) The fact you came out and canceled the sleep vote is why your now confirmed town and why hes probably the scum.

This isn't a trap. Holy shit you have no idea how to play this game.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 14:31 GMT

#3203

On November 18 2014 23:30 sicklucker wrote:
Basically obis whole case is he wants the hammer. But hes risking the whole game by doing so. Both signs suggest hes mafia.

/facepalm

You should just never play mafia again. Ever.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 14:36 GMT

#3207

On November 18 2014 23:32 Superbia wrote:

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His logic on sleeping + me being mafia = auto-lose should check out from your POV.

This is entirely based on the fact that I get shot or that Serejai continues to not play the game. Suggesting that she is town and is going to continue doing nothing but tunneling is ridiculous because that probably isn't going to happen.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 14:44 GMT

#3209

I don't know why this is so hard to wrap your heads around. We have accomplished nothing with this whole conversation because you're so hung up on the fact that sleeping is a bad thing.

If I don't have the answer, I can't conjure the answer out of thin air. I want more time to figure it out and I don't understand what's so hard to get here.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 14:45 GMT

#3210

On November 18 2014 23:42 sicklucker wrote:
No my logic is sound. Making fun of me here is not helping your case. If we dont sleep super has the hammer and he says hes not voting me. So your job as town or mafia here is to convince us to move onto serejai

Your logic isn't sound. I've explained it like 50 times and you're not listening.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 14:48 GMT

#3214

On November 18 2014 23:45 Serejai wrote:
Reading SL's filter feels like I'm reading a script for Back To The Future 4 or something. So much WIFOM, so much insider knowledge about things. "This will happen, that will happen. This person will get shot, this person will never get shot."

That doesn't really make him mafia though.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 14:53 GMT

#3217

On November 18 2014 23:50 sicklucker wrote:
No im saying hes town. I know your mafia by the way your acting.
You guys are both resorting to trash talk now to push your agendas of winning/throwing the game

I've tried explaining my position to you and all you're doing is going "Obi is mafia because he wants hammer."

Nothing you're saying is alignment indicative and I'm getting seriously annoyed because of how many times I have to explain myself.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 15:09 GMT

#3219

On November 19 2014 00:01 sicklucker wrote:
Its not that I haven't explained myself, you barely did that. Its that in everyworld im right and you cant argue against the true.

Its extremely alignment indicative im putting the hammer in someone elses hands your putting it in your own. You have not looked for one town. We need two towns to win the game. I found my town

No it's not. Me wanting hammer doesn't really tell you if I'm town or scum because both alignments want it.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 15:12 GMT

#3220

On November 18 2014 23:51 Serejai wrote:

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LOL. Did you just threaten me? Good lord... what a character.

Why are you voting Sl? Is it just because of the wifom and stuff?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 15:16 GMT

#3222

On November 19 2014 00:14 sicklucker wrote:

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But you want it at the risk of a 33% autolose from your town pov which doesint make sense as a town. And if you factor in all 4 players having equal chance of being mafia its a 50% autolose.

Stop talking about autolose. These players have brains. If you think they're all going to continue down their tunnels with the additional information given to us through a nightkill then I don't know what to tell you.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 15:16 GMT

#3223

Why is it that you're so sure Serejai is town even though she isn't playing anymore?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 16:09 GMT

#3225

If I had to take a guess as to who my prime scum spect would be right now, I'd say it's Serejai.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 18 2014 18:11 GMT

#3229

On November 19 2014 03:06 Serejai wrote:

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See, here's the thing...

Sleeping is the town thing to do. If we lynch today we have a 25% chance of winning and a 75% chance of losing as town.

If we sleep and lynch tomorrow, there will be a 33% chance to win and a 66% chance to lose as town.

For someone who makes a living playing poker and apparently is a math expert as well, I find it hard to believe they could be so oblivious to how this stuff works.

On the other hand, the remaining scum player would benefit greatly from us lynching today.

Out of the four of us, the only person who is hellbent on not sleeping is SL. It's in the best interest of town to sleep, and the best interest of mafia to lynch. Nothing he says makes any sense or adds up in any way, and it's all coming straight from a scum viewpoint - regardless of how many times he self-confirms himself as town.

At a glance, this looks okay.

I'll deal with this game again when I get home from work.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 19 2014 01:07 GMT

#3239

Yeah, I take back that scumread on Serejai because that was dumb.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 19 2014 03:41 GMT

#3240

Meh. I can't do it. I just don't see a reason to lynch anyone but SL. I keep trying to put stock into what Rayn was saying about him but I just don't see the point.

I don't get the feeling that he's listening to anything that I'm saying. I've tried to argue my way out of it and I just don't feel like I've made any progress with him. I've looked in his filter and brought stuff up to try and engage him/sort his thought process, and he keeps saying that it only makes me "more mafia" because of...Stuff, I guess. I know there's an actual answer in thread but I just don't see how that can be a part of a rational player's thought process.

Serejai is seeing a lot of the same stuff as I am, and I feel like I've mostly been dancing around the subject myself. I think I just put more weight into what Rayn said than she did and I tried to roll with it for longer.

That's probably my prime scumread for the day. If he somehow reconsiders/reanalyzes the game, then I might be able to take another look at the gamestate. The way things are going, I highly doubt this is the case. That's probably where my vote is going tomorrow.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 19 2014 03:43 GMT

#3241

Alternatively, if Super feels like getting it done today, we can all just vote him and be done with it.

I don't feel like voting for a no lynch is necessary at this point because it's highly likely that SL/me will still be around tomorrow to do the exact same dance. A lynch outside of SL/me is almost unfeasible at this point as it stands, so unless someone points out where else the vote could end up, then I'm fine with taking action today.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 19 2014 04:44 GMT

#3244

On November 19 2014 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
Also if he thinks im the scum sleeping is actually good from his pov.

Why would sleeping be good if I were scum?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

November 19 2014 04:45 GMT

#3245

My entire giant paragraph is centered around the fact that you won't listen to me and you're stuck in a tunnel.

It's not like I'm going out and trying to make some self-fulfilling prophecy. I just don't feel like I can convince you otherwise and I think you're mafia because of it. Saying that "we definitely can't vote Serejai now" after I just said "SL isn't reanalyzing anything and is probably mafia because of it" is missing the point completely.