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On November 05 2014 08:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 08:21 jaybrundage wrote:On November 05 2014 08:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fwiw, TL seems to create scumteams with varied experience among the players on them; it's actually kind of likely that the scumteam has at least one of Oats/Hf/Ve on it.
It's not the greatest analysis but that's what I got. Crossing fingers its HF. If you think it's Hf then why the fuck did you agree with his read on me and duel me?
Well out of the three people you proposed HF is definitely the scummiest to me. It's also the fact that I WANT HF to be mafia. Cause it would be so sweet to lynch his ass.
I don't know if you have ever played with Marv. But scum marv is the thing made of nightmares. He will play well. VERY WELL in fact he will play better then most town players who ARE actually town. HF feels in a similar vein. I have been getting scummy vibes from HF quite a bit. The biggest thing that probably makes me biased is that I hate how he responds to posts in an argument. He twists things. But that abc post by HF was terrible and super scummy. Seeing that makes me second guess my read on HF. His post on you was actually something that I thought was well put together and made him seem more townie. But then he does some scummy gimme your vote shit. I have been going back and forth on Null to scummy on HF this whole game.
Also I told you why I changed from Circumstance to you. HF made a really good point about your filter. You were null on LT for the longest time. You were going between who to vote. You voted LT and then later on said he was definitely mafia off some post that was posted such a long time ago. I was going over it and it seemed much more likely that you were mafia. Hell you still could be and are just good at appeal to emotion. (Are you mafia? Cause if you are you made me feel really bad that I killed off a townie and YOU SUCK) But even now It is still a bad mark that you never explained. It was only the sincerity of your post and how you reacted to the secondary lynch that made me think you might be town.
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On November 05 2014 08:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 08:44 jaybrundage wrote:On November 05 2014 08:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On November 05 2014 08:21 jaybrundage wrote:On November 05 2014 08:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fwiw, TL seems to create scumteams with varied experience among the players on them; it's actually kind of likely that the scumteam has at least one of Oats/Hf/Ve on it.
It's not the greatest analysis but that's what I got. Crossing fingers its HF. If you think it's Hf then why the fuck did you agree with his read on me and duel me? Well out of the three people you proposed HF is definitely the scummiest to me. It's also the fact that I WANT HF to be mafia. Cause it would be so sweet to lynch his ass. I don't know if you have ever played with Marv. But scum marv is the thing made of nightmares. He will play well. VERY WELL in fact he will play better then most town players who ARE actually town. HF feels in a similar vein. I have been getting scummy vibes from HF quite a bit. The biggest thing that probably makes me biased is that I hate how he responds to posts in an argument. He twists things. But that abc post by HF was terrible and super scummy. Seeing that makes me second guess my read on HF. His post on you was actually something that I thought was well put together and made him seem more townie. But then he does some scummy gimme your vote shit. I have been going back and forth on Null to scummy on HF this whole game. Also I told you why I changed from Circumstance to you. HF made a really good point about your filter. You were null on LT for the longest time. You were going between who to vote. You voted LT and then later on said he was definitely mafia off some post that was posted such a long time ago. I was going over it and it seemed much more likely that you were mafia. Hell you still could be and are just good at appeal to emotion. (Are you mafia? Cause if you are you made me feel really bad that I killed off a townie and YOU SUCK) But even now It is still a bad mark that you never explained. It was only the sincerity of your post and how you reacted to the secondary lynch that made me think you might be town. If HF is mafia, then please explain why he was spamming the thread to stay firm on LT. And how do his actions surrounding lynching a mafia make him in any way more mafia than the other two?
He would be bussing? I don't read Oats and VE town, because of there actions surrounding the lynch. Rather I read them town by how they are posting.
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@Seuss Regarding your Dramdred case:
What do you think of his GB case? It was his recent big case. Why did you choose to exclude it from your case?
Also I find it odd you say townies don't have a self preservation mind set. A town only knows his alignment. One of a townies biggest job is to prove there own townieness, and by extension not get lynched.
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On November 05 2014 08:29 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 08:20 jrkirby wrote:On November 05 2014 08:12 risk.nuke wrote:
Yeah I care, I want to lynch oats. None of you seem to care though. You're all super content doing nothing aswell and lynching me because I was busy day1.
What did you expect from me, a massive case. Most of what was said day 1 was useless and the rest is inconclusive. I want to talk and discuss things, I want to hear your thought and I have no problem giving you mine. This will actually give me information I can use. If you want to help me, you can start by telling me what you think of oats and jrjkirby who's being fishy as hell today. Fishy as hell = pushing my case on you.
What did you expect from me, a massive case.
Yes, that's what I expect. You said you were a good player, right? We were having a discussion, I pressured you and you ran away. Why didn't you answer me? Then you finally come back and then just tries to put down your vote on me. Jay http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=104#2080And oats is still not posting and showing no interest in finding scum.
I said why I thought Oats was townie.
Your statement can be applied to you as well. If you think Oats is scum why aren't you pushing for his lynch. From your post it seems like your lynching based purely on activity. Looking over him surprised he hasn't mentioned a a lynch candidate yet. Duly noted.
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On November 05 2014 09:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 14:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's really really really weird that you are even questioning my alignment so randomly instead of everyone else in the thread like this when in your mind I've only lynched mafia and now put you onto someone who you also think is mafia. Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
What you're implying is that as mafia i decided to use a power and hope to draw in silly people and then claim it because......? In the hope to do...? You're saying that townies aren't stupid and are analytical and won't give up their vote to a random player but then you're also saying that mafia holyflare counts on people being retarded and giving up their votes. Your line of thought is incredibly non existent.
Your under no pressure to be lynched why drag this up. I was explaining to Obi wan my read on you and why I did what I did.
To respond: I said anyone that is thinking critically would not give away their vote to an unknown identity.
How you went about using your power. Doesn't make any sense to me as either alignment.
I thought your ABC post was scummy. I said as much. Part of it was misunderstanding your power.
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On November 05 2014 10:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 10:03 jaybrundage wrote:On November 05 2014 09:36 Holyflare wrote:On November 04 2014 14:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's really really really weird that you are even questioning my alignment so randomly instead of everyone else in the thread like this when in your mind I've only lynched mafia and now put you onto someone who you also think is mafia. On November 04 2014 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
What you're implying is that as mafia i decided to use a power and hope to draw in silly people and then claim it because......? In the hope to do...? You're saying that townies aren't stupid and are analytical and won't give up their vote to a random player but then you're also saying that mafia holyflare counts on people being retarded and giving up their votes. Your line of thought is incredibly non existent. Your under no pressure to be lynched why drag this up. I was explaining to Obi wan my read on you and why I did what I did. To respond: I said anyone that is thinking critically would not give away their vote to an unknown identity. How you went about using your power. Doesn't make any sense to me as either alignment. I thought your ABC post was scummy. I said as much. Part of it was misunderstanding your power. Tries to dismiss first half of case by saying "I wasn't here"; then turns around and accuses people on the grounds that they weren't here. Calls pretty much the most obvious town in the game mafia repeatedly. Ignores the 2nd half of the case against him. Doesn't even attempt to push a scum read on someone he had such a strong scum read on that he challenged him to a 1v1. This guy is clearly the better option for Oblivion.
Nope I called out people for being afk first and then i said I wasn't around the third day in response to me not pushing LT.
Oh and I still plan to do so. If you think that's hypocritical whatever.
Who cares if I call out HF. If I see something scummy I will call it out. Sorry I don't have a raging erection for HF like you do apparently.
What 2nd part of the case?
I have explained what happened with Obi wan. I was alot more sure of Obi wan being scum last night. Was it a mistake to switch from Circumstance to him? We have yet to see. How he reacted to the secondary lynch seemed very sincere to me and made me think he might be town. I haven't pushed his lynch because I was leading the votes by a good margin.
I have been trying to focus who we should be normal lynching today
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On November 05 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 10:03 jaybrundage wrote:On November 05 2014 09:36 Holyflare wrote:On November 04 2014 14:25 Holyflare wrote:
It's really really really weird that you are even questioning my alignment so randomly instead of everyone else in the thread like this when in your mind I've only lynched mafia and now put you onto someone who you also think is mafia. On November 04 2014 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
What you're implying is that as mafia i decided to use a power and hope to draw in silly people and then claim it because......? In the hope to do...? You're saying that townies aren't stupid and are analytical and won't give up their vote to a random player but then you're also saying that mafia holyflare counts on people being retarded and giving up their votes. Your line of thought is incredibly non existent. Your under no pressure to be lynched why drag this up. I was explaining to Obi wan my read on you and why I did what I did. To respond: I said anyone that is thinking critically would not give away their vote to an unknown identity. How you went about using your power. Doesn't make any sense to me as either alignment. I thought your ABC post was scummy. I said as much. Part of it was misunderstanding your power. You ARE under pressure of being lynched, if it doesn't make any sense as any alignment why did you call me mafia abd are repeatedly calling me mafia. I responded avout everything to with that abc post that you asked me abd you still call me mafia. The fuck?
Darn HF you got me I'm actually a host.
What is not clear here. I thought you had a scummy post. So I called it out.
Didn't you read the part about Marv. Just cause your not oozing mafia doesn't mean you can't have got a red PM. Maybe I'm just paranoid i dunno . Does it bother you that much that I have you on Null/Scummy?
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Here is a question HF do you think Obi wan is scum?
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You have been here. You have been following the thread. But the fact that your not pushing yout reads or delivering the content you promised makes you pretty red.
##UnVote:
##Vote Risk.nuke
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Regarding the VE to HF spat. I don't see anything productive coming out of it. I have gone on HF a couple of times cause of some scummy things he did. But since no one seems to think he has any chance to be scum. And thinks he is shitting townie rainbows. He would not be a lynch candidate today by any stretch of the imagination. It kind of helps to see it from an outside perspective cause I have had similar arguments with HF.
So as possible town fighting isn't helping us figure out who we want to lynch today. I think we should focus on who can be lynched today.
Risk,nuke is the biggest possibility with the most votes.
The main points against him are that:
He promised content. Didn't deliver with exception to him saying he thinks Oats is scum.
He never produced a case didn't respond to me trying to talk to him about Oats.
Blamed the Town saying its our fault he is up for lynch. Takes no responsibility for not being proactive and making a case. Or trying to show his townieness thru his actions. He just says this your fault town and lurks some more.
Circumstance is someone I mentioned before. Another possibility for a lynch. He seems to often be mentioned as a lynch target but no one has voted for him.
I tried to put some pressure on him to get more active. He responded to my post with this.
On November 04 2014 15:35 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 14:25 jaybrundage wrote:Congratulations Circumstance You just won first place in JB's "Get in here and start fucking posting contest."  YOU know how to play. So get in here! AND start FUCKING POSTING  Remember You only have a limited time till you DIE!! OH NO!! Better start posting  ##Vote Circumstance FFS. I've had a long few days, and I already got an activity warning. I'll be able to be significantly more active after tomorrow (the last day of my internship). Anyway, I'm feeling like the GB nightkill probably was at least in part an attempted a frame on me, since his analysis on me was pretty effective at painting me in a scummy light. I'll directly say that my Night 1 ability wound up being a bust, since nobody did anything to my target.
He basically did the same thing risk,nuke has done. Stated he was busy for RL reasons. Promises activity later. That was his only post in D2 unless I'm mistaken.
He is basically a straight up lurker. I really wish he would just get modkilled off for inactivity.
Also in D1 he straight up stated he had no idea what he was gonna vote. He wanted reasons to get OFF risk.nuke but doesn't provide reasons why anyone is scum. Complete wishy wash scummy bull.
He also brings up his schedule as an excuse day 1. Same thing he did day 2 I feel a pattern forming.
On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 10:26 ritoky wrote:On November 01 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote:
So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke? This post is also bad. what strikes me as odd is that wasn't it circ who came in to hard defend jrkirby early on when he was being pressured? then once again jrkirby starts to take interest in a gb lynch and now circ is suddenly around and interested? there's something funky goin on between these two. Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want. As for GB's question, my current reads aren't strong enough to lay out on the table right now, and frankly, I don't know how much it matters at this stage. We've got some clear targets that are slowly beginning to get multiple votes placed on them. If we don't consolidate, we run the risk of a no-lynch, which doesn't benefit anyone. I don't WANT to lynch you right now, GB, because I'm not a fan of RNG and you keep discussions going. But before I place my vote on risk.nuke, I want to hear the argument against it, assuming there is one, to see if it holds water.
Again I dont wanna lynch risk.nuke someone tell me not too. If he has a town read on risk.nuke. Then come out and say it! This feels like scum wanted a reason to get off scum. Ironic considering that LT was also scum. BUT keep in mind he never mentioned LT.
On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote:
So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke?
Here I ask him a bunch of questions because up till that point he hadn't given any reads of any stability at all. It was like pulling teeth. The answers are still disappointing tho. He states he thought there was pressure on risk.nuke and he wanted to nail him down. But in his other posts he seemed to be looking for every excuse NOT to lynch risk.nuke.
Says he thinks Oats might be scummy. Says we should get Cat on him. Doesn't seem to want to figure out Oats by him self at all.
This is wierd he brings up LT and says he is just a placeholder. To me this feels like a soft defense. He makes it seem like LT is town and that people would be ok lynching him cause if hes town. Then its no big deal. BUT this wasn't the case. He even says people were planning to unvote him. Not sure where he got that notion.
When I ask him who his lynch target is. He states basically IUNNO. Real help.
He has posted less then Risk.nuke. But at the same time Defended LT and Risk.nuke on day 1.
On November 01 2014 12:28 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 11:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Circumstance giving that your reason for holding on to your reads isn't necessary there can not be a No-Lynch. I would like you to put who you suspect on the table. Echoing GB Even if your reads are half baked it helps to see your thought process and how you arrived there. I do have some questions for you as well.
You bring up risk.nuke what's your reasoning for wanting to lynch him?
How do you feel about Oats? Do you still think hes worth analyzing? What's your read on him?
LT has quite a bit of votes on him but you haven't mentioned him as a candidate. Why is that?
Who is your ideal lynch candidate?
I'll go over the questions first, since I need to do a proper filter runthrough before I go on with reads. I've been going mainly on instinct since I went to bed last night. I brought up risk.nuke because I noticed a push towards him, and given that I was assuming a majority requirement, I figured it would be pertinent to nail someone down quickly. Oats still feels like he's not really helping move things along. Holyflare's assessment of him mimics my thoughts to a certain extent. I think he's definitely worth an analysis, because he just doesn't seem to make sense right now. LT seemed like a placeholder more than anything - the rationale of voting seemed to be mainly "eh, no big loss if we're wrong." And I did see a few posts indicating that people were planning on unvoting him (though that evidently didn't wind up happening in the thread itself). If it were up to me, I had the power to off one player straight away, I wouldn't be prepared to do so just yet. I'm not seeing something I can put together and say "Yes, this player is definitely ideal to lynch today", so with the time we have, I'd like for us all to get a stronger case put together on someone.
Dramdred is the third candidate. Alot of the suspection seems to stem from his use his power to extend the lynch. But self preservation seems not alignment indicative to me at least.
Seuss posted a case on him. Here
Something that hasn't been noticed before is how Dramdred was reacting to the Spat of VE HF.
He seems to be egging it on a bit. But when it nears the end of VE practically rage quiting. Then he backs up and says dude relax chill out a bit I just want to under stand this. But it seems the opposite of what he was doing before.
He also Fingers VE as being mafia in a few of his posts. But never calls him actually mafia.
On November 06 2014 05:07 Damdred wrote:
My god VE just answer us for gods sake, you went on a rampage and then completely went from HF IS SCUM GIVE US PARTNER to, i'm not sure hes mafia.
So talk to us and help us sort through this, calm down if you have to step away you can.
On November 06 2014 05:05 Damdred wrote:
Oh shush you HF
To continue i hit the post button a bit to soon, You say VE that town want to make a lynch happen. Most of hte time thats yoru top scum read right? I'm your top scum read, you should WANT to make my lynch happen like seuss is doing or did, you shouldn't just drop it in one sentence.
On November 06 2014 04:49 Damdred wrote:
VE if you are so sure that hf is scum why say that shouldn't you be pushing people to lynch the more dangerous hf?
Looking over it all. I feel like Day 1 Circumstances play. Combined with his risk.nuke-esque excuse. Make him very possible to be mafia. Risk.nuke hasn't changed much and I would be fine lynching either one of them.
Dramdred is kind of an outlier for me. I was more null on him Day 1. But his egging on of VE HF and lack of anything useful to say in regard to a lynch candidate makes me think he could very well be scum.
##UnVote Risk.nuke
##Vote Circumstance
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JayBrundage vs Obi wan Shinobi
I haven't been focusing on this because I felt that people should know that I'm townie by now. But seeing how the vote is still possible to swing I feel like I need to talk about it.
I voted OWS towards the end of the night. My power was I could create a secondary lynch between me and another player. I had to pick a target before the end of the night or my power would be lost. I had originally going to go for Circumstance and was asking people about him. When the HF, OWS thing came up. I looked into it and came to the conclusion that OWS saying that he had LT as mafia AFTER the fact of him going back and forth between candidates and saying that a certian post made him think that LT was mafia that was several hours old and that he never mentioned previously struck me and very odd I saw no town incentive to do this. It looked very much like mafia trying to get cred of a wagon that they didn't seem to want to lynch before.
OWS I had asked you questions before night ended. I don't believe you ever answered them could you do so now. I know I'm town. While Oats has been posting quite differently with this secondary lynch looming above us. There is still a good chance he's mafia using appeal to emotion. And I have no intention to be mislynched.
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LYNCH IS IN FOUR HOURS.
DOES NO ONE GIVE A SHIT!
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@OWS I believe I asked you for why you thought LT was mafia. HF posted the list. And i guess you never responded? Also can you respond to the questions i posed to you last night.
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I'm trying to hit diamond this season in league. I'll be back after my game hoping to see some discussion : /
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We have less then 3 hours left for day 2 and 4 people have yet to vote. What the hell is the motivation behind this. Letting this happen can cause last minute swings and let mafia control what will happen.
On November 06 2014 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Please note that there is an error in the previous vote count. nuke should have 7 votes.
Day 2
Damdred (1): Seuss, VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes (0): ObiWanShinobi
risk.nuke (7): VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Holyflare, jrkirby, ObiWanShinobi, ritoky, Jaybrundage, Oatsmaster
Circumstance (0): Jaybrundage
Alakaslam (0): ObiWanShinobi
Oatsmaster (1): risk.nuke
Not voting (5): Misder, ritoky, Damdred, liancourt, Circumstance
OBLIVION!!!!
Jaybrundage (4): Alakaslam, ritoky, ObiWanShinobi, risk.nuke , ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (6): Holyflare, Misder, VisceraEyes, liancourt, Jaybrundage, Oatsmaster
Not voting (4): jrkirby, Seuss, Damdred, Circumstance
Currently Risk.Nuke is set to be lynched, and ObiWanShinobi is to be sent to OBLIVION!!!
Day 2 ends at Thursday, Nov 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
Voting is mandatory
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On November 06 2014 08:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hf if Oats is your partner claim now.
Otherwise I'm pushing him. Please do. With all your effort.
Oats your folowing the thread. Why aren't you posting me. This thread is dead cause townies are letting it die.
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OBS you said before that you would prefer to get lynched over me because you said you would prefer not to have a question mark over you the rest of the game. But now your voting me. What happened?
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On November 06 2014 09:25 ritoky wrote:
i can't vote, my vote was given to the light.
Any comment on what i posted?
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On November 06 2014 08:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:48 Misder wrote:
I think that jaybrundage vs ows is town vs town based on day 2's posting (I guess along with several other people). I'm going to keep my vote on ows though as I was getting town vibes from him throughout day 1.
I honestly don't think risk is trying at all to stay alive. The thing about the wagon forming quickly with no opposition I do not think indicates that risk is mafia because I think mafia would prefer to stay in the shadows, especially since risk was on several people's scum reads, and it was probably likely that risk would die.
##Vote: risk.nuke
HF vs VE thing: I avoid talking about these two since I'm honestly intimidated lol - I think HF is town. I guess I have a town read of VE since he gave me a chicken lol.
I would have thought Circumstance's mafia friends would have told him to start posting again by now, though I guess he's not really under fire.
Also, doesn't seem like jrkirby lost his vote. Either mods messed up or Damdred was lying about losing votes. Talk more about this if you will, So you had town vibes from ows day 1? Also talk mroe about the second bolded section, it doesn't add up going towards your vote. Why are you scum reading risk again? I'm not lying yo
Well your right in his risk.nuke not making any sense giving what he typed.
@Misder is this your only post in the whole second part of day 2. How could you don't try to post your thoughts or reads more?
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On November 06 2014 09:36 Damdred wrote:
This might sound insane,
is it balanced for town to have two ways to manipulate the vote by adding votes? This just struck me generally theres a balance, its true I can take away a singular vote, but for instance Misder was able to add 4 votes by himself yesterday obi could of added some or subtracted three.
Do you think town has two vote manipulators? Or am i just to paranoid here
I have no idea. Never tried to balance a game or hosted one either.
Mider mentioned getting a homing chicken from VE not sure if that was it might have been.
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