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On October 14 2014 18:38 marvellosity wrote: Oatsmaster liancourt Alakaslam Blazinghand KelsierSC Marvellosity Palmar batsnacks If I can find 2 townies out of the bolded then I'm golden. Slam is my wildcard. Dunno anything about liancourt or Kelsier. liancourt should be quite obvious town if he is. | ||
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On October 14 2014 19:37 marvellosity wrote: Given the only massive towntell I ever do to you is making insightful observations about what people have been posting, seems a bit tricky so far, Plamface. Well do try! | ||
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On October 14 2014 19:37 liancourt wrote: Marv pick marv ok. reason? It can be flimsy, idc, just give me the reason. | ||
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On October 14 2014 19:41 marvellosity wrote: You may as well humour me and give me your assessment of his general play then. Ongoing game so I'm not gonna comment, but you can read for yourself. | ||
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On October 14 2014 15:54 Blazinghand wrote: 2. Generally, vote "no" more than "yes", especially to teams you're not on. This will let us see more teams and see people's votes on more teams. If you are neutral, by default you should vote "no" on any given team. Regarding strategy, it is very important to be open to voting yes. The hardest role you can play in resistance is being the townie who is not on a team, because that means you have to be confident in an extra townread. But if we allow ourselves to sorta default to no, we're opening up free voting choices for mafia. An example of this is the second game of resistance here. BlazingHand(spy) was being quite townie and no one really thought he was spy. However, I proposed a team of me/navillus/dirkzor for the first day. If town had defaulted to allowing fence-sitters to say no, BH would've been fine with his already good play, however because we demanded that people vote yes unless they could provide ample reasoning not to, BH ended up exposing himself for opposing that team. It's very important to not just default to the no, because if we happen to get 3 townies, it's beyond awful for mafia. So never assume you'll vote no. Only do it if you have very good reason to do so. | ||
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It's only when there is an actual threat of a team going that people start voting intelligently. | ||
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On October 14 2014 21:24 marvellosity wrote: How did you get townreads amongst strong players in previous games, Palmar? Navillus/Dirkzor don't count. Seems easy for players like you/me/BH to spout a lot of very sensible stuff and look good from it, but it's meaningless. Both you and BH have done it now. Well that's the only resistance game I've actually played so far... so if they don't count I guess my only townread is prplhz, and I'm like the prplhz-whisperer anyway, I get him correct like 90% of the time. You know how I form townreads? | ||
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On October 14 2014 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Although we can see if there's a weird yay vote that shouldn't be there. Men, voting patterns work both ways. Yeah, but a yes vote is a much less neutral affair. a yes vote from someone not on the mission is always going to be a big deal. Doesn't matter, you'll see when we get to actually voting. | ||
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1 to go. | ||
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Do you think that's a good idea? I'm honestly tempted to just yolopick me, marv, lian for posting more than other people. | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:57 batsnacks wrote: I like where Liam did that thing where he said something wrong with your eye "wink wink" after marvelous made a smiley. He's literally confirmed town for that. | ||
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##Suggest Team: Palmar, Liancourt, marvellosity | ||
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On October 15 2014 20:25 KelsierSC wrote: I am here. i don't like.palmar telling people to be happy voting yes, seems like an easy way to get scum into a team. You're not very bright are you? | ||
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On October 15 2014 17:57 marvellosity wrote: I want this team: marvellosity liancourt batsnacks Everyone else is too suspicious/not townie enough. I think I'm okay with that. Tbh I wanted our team just so I wouldn't have to deal with you. Given the high chance that lian is town it would've made the game so much less painful for me to basically "check" you day 1. (from my perspective) I think Batsnacks is maybe town, I mentioned so already. | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:35 batsnacks wrote: I want palmar to say something smart about BH's yay. It's supposed to be a big deal. Maybe he's town? Maybe he's trolling and counting on other people to fail? Maybe marv is actually mafia? I'm not sure, I don't think it's very relevant unless I know he's mafia. | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:29 marvellosity wrote: Given success on the first mission leads to a massively higher chance of success on the 2nd, this reasoning seems a bit off. No it doesn't? I wouldn't have done it if I was highly suspicious of you at the time. It might just as well be a "green check" as a "red check". | ||
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On October 16 2014 17:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Is this happening? 1 day gone and 12 pages. Ok.... Tbh it's actually quite comfortable pace. | ||
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On October 17 2014 20:37 Holyflare wrote: So we can tunnel you then right? No, marv is responsible for his reads. I'm not, I'm a cowboy. | ||
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On October 18 2014 03:13 liancourt wrote: I think scum team gave up and are just going for the merlin kill at the end. To be honest scum team knows Holyflare is merlini | ||
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well that sucks. | ||
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I kinda want to yolo yay this but I'd have to read Oats, and I cba. I'll decide tonight. I guess I should read slam, HF and BH too, to figure out if they're the mafia team, or if one is town and Oats is mafia, or even if shenanigans. | ||
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On October 23 2014 22:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Bullshit palmar, you have no guts. 0 guts :D | ||
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Do we need 5? | ||
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Well joke is on him because I am not doing anything. Then again, simple explanation is Oats is mafia and we replace him. | ||
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On October 24 2014 20:10 marvellosity wrote: You can't believe this. You know I'd take great enjoyment from going to war with you, as either alignment. Yeah, like that time you ragequit, and that time you got yourself modkilled! | ||
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On October 24 2014 23:23 marvellosity wrote: If you recall, I ragequit that game *after* I avoided getting lynched  yeah but the point stands, you actively avoided confrontation here! I actually looked like I was going to do shit there for a day or so. Then I resubbed to wow so there's that. | ||
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On October 25 2014 02:03 liancourt wrote: Did we get 1 sabo or 2 sabos? 2x confirmed town. | ||
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marv, channel your inner townie. Is slam mafia or town? | ||
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On October 25 2014 19:07 marvellosity wrote: why are you asking me that???? i literally gave a final answer list of reads. yeah but I'm mafia on it so I decided to ignore it on grounds of aids and bads. | ||
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If we decide oats was the one who sabotaged last mission, we need to find a third mafia. If it isn't me, then who is it? I can't read slam, I never try to read slam, you claim he's easy to read (if I recall correctly). If you're convinced that slam has much less chance of being mafia than damdred, we should send this team, assuming you're town. | ||
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nay. | ||
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I am naying this team. I want me/marv/lian/bats. | ||
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On October 27 2014 18:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude you want marv and bats and lian? How the heck is your team significantly better than damdreds team?? Its the same team except switch bats and me and insert yourself. marv bats and lian succeeded on day 1. Day 2 you got added in and it failed. Unless you have a solid proof that soemone else from that team is mafia, then the simplest explanation is that you're mafia. | ||
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elaborate? | ||
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On October 27 2014 19:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Marv does what he wants man, if he thinks the game is over/boring as both alignments hes gonna do shit. Pretty much at this time he aint gonna get on any teams so its done for him and scum. So am I mafia too then? | ||
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On October 27 2014 19:07 Oatsmaster wrote: What kinda game are you playing? There is no such thing as solid proof. Anyway, its way too simplistic to think that way. Scum in the first group might wait just to sucker people that think like this. You cant tell someone's alignment off one thing, its a combination of things. Statistically, its way risker than 2 from the previous failed group and 2 from outside. Do the math. | ||
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Also: Seems like you don't agree with yourself. | ||
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I'm like this close to just allying with mafia. | ||
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Also, you seem to think I'm mafia according to your list, so I'm not sure we can be friends. | ||
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I had some brilliant thought this morning on how to eliminate things if I assume at least two of my townreads are right. I can't remember but I'll try to remember. Anyway, early notice. I will pick the following team: Palmar, Marv, Lian, Batsnacks. I think I am the 5th option so my team will be auto accepted. If anyone doesn't like this team, you better make sure BH picks whatever you like. The wild card here is marv (and to a lesser extent, batsnacks). I'm fairly sure lian is town. My assumption is that 3 out of slam/bh/oats/damdred are mafia. I actually think BH is the most likely to be town of them. Slam wouldn't scumread me at this point if he was town, and Oats is the one who was added to a team that caused a failed mission. | ||
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I stand by the team I suggested. marv, I'm not mafia. pls stop. | ||
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I also think marv is town. I mentioned it early. The only real problem with him being town is that he thinks I'm mafia, but I guess it's fair that I haven't really done all too much this game. Still, things like the little things I picked up on in his play (why I initially was okay with including him on my first team) should be more telling to him that I am town. But maybe he's just lazy. Still, if there was a townie on the day 1 team, then it's going to be marv, I think. I can't remember why I decided early on that bats is probably town. I really should go back and figure that out. But I do remember feeling him to be pretty solidly town. And then there's the fact that the mission succeeded... To me, all that is needed and has been needed to finish this game in a victory, ever since day 2, is to simply include me in the team. And I got annoyed and lazy because people didn't townread me. People _always_ scumread me and it's getting really boring. Like the game is essentially solved from my perspective. So yeah, I'm naying this, and I'll be defaulting to me/lian/bats/marv. | ||
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It's just so much easier for me to assume day 1 (which was my top 3 townreads outside of me) was actually successful, and add myself. Maybe I'm super awful and marv and bats are both mafia, but whatever. I think this is the correct play. | ||
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On November 01 2014 05:54 Blazinghand wrote: So clearly he's not correct about people scum reading him I wanted to be on day 2 team. But other people wanted Oats. Those people are either dumb or mafia. | ||
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##Propose Palmar Lian Marv Bats | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:35 Blazinghand wrote: it was perfect in the sense that it told us bats was scum, and it passed so clearly people liked it Why bats? he even nayed the team. Why not me or slam? | ||
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Mafia knows this team will fail. Mafia knows (or thinks they know) what team I was going to suggest. BH's team got accepted, supported by 5 players. Did mafia want that team to succeed because they didn't like mine? Mafia has no incentive to stop BH's team going through. They do have incentive for pushing it through, only if my team is actually clear of mafia. | ||
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So, I will be suggesting myself, bats and lian + 2 people who I deem to be town. I think one of them is going to be marv. Who wants the last spot (Oats is not invited). BH? Damdred? Slam? I'm tempted to just yolo slam in there. | ||
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On November 03 2014 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote: horrific reasoning. What the fuck dude. Whos scum? You dont even know. If I knew I'd be merlin or scum bro. What the hell are you talking about lol? | ||
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Marv yesvotes everything. The other two, I literally have no clue why you'd vote yes. | ||
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Oats is mafia, BH is mafia. Slam think bats or me are the mafia though, so either mafia or bad. Damdred isn't even playing. I literally can't remember a single post of his. I also can't read replaced people. To be honest thinking of just including slam and saying fuck it. If Damdred is town this game is lost anyway as he isn't even trying. | ||
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I'll post a "roll" post in like 2 minutes. If it ends in an even number I take slam, if it ends in odd I'll go damdred. | ||
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fuck the rules. ##propose Palmar Lian Bats Marv Slam | ||
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On November 03 2014 23:44 marvellosity wrote: that'll do tbh. The problem is I think 4 people are mafia, so gonna have to bring one along regardless. hint: I'm the one that's not mafia, but you're being a moron so it's ok. | ||
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On November 04 2014 03:11 Blazinghand wrote: hmm I don't like this team palm. I really don't see why there's all this trust in marv You shouldn't like this team. If you're town, it makes no sense because you know there is at least one mafia on the team. It's got nothing to do with trust. If you are town you have 100% proof that one guy on the team is mafia. No idea why you're so passive about that. Or well, I think I know why. | ||
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On November 05 2014 19:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah you know what? Blazing hand could be scum. WHICH MEANS PALMAR IS TOWN "SHOCKER"! You already knew that. I'm surprised you admit it though. | ||
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There is no way I'm agreeing this was a draw. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:42 yamato77 wrote: Yeah but this game is a joke, it's a joke to say anyone "won" anything. This is very unfair. We did what we had to do. Town has to control the pace of the game, if they present me with a relatively inactive game with little going on, I'm going to take it. We had mafia on so many suggested teams, there was some distance between Oats and I. Damdred/Hf/Kelsier obviously didn't deliver at all (they could've easily sealed the day 5 if Damdred played at all). Also I'm sad no one picked up on this! On November 02 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote: I'm going to pick my team as stated. Seeing as it will autopass I guess it's on my head. All I can hope for is that I was correct on my reads. Batsnacks is my 2nd strongest townread after lian, the one I'm worried about is marv. Of course I could be wrong, but meh. To be honest I don't care all that much at this point. At least I've been consistent in my reads since day 1, and I think I agree with myself. Given the fact that I am super smart, it makes sense to agree with myself. Even if this fails we still have a decent shot, as long as people don't randomly paint me mafia if this one fails (although I kinda did that to oats, but he deserved it). Ultimate trap. Such plays! | ||
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On November 06 2014 18:55 marvellosity wrote: and yes, Palmar, as VT I would have gone ham on you for your fucking bizarre attitude towards me from the get go. Yeah, the merlin role is super hard, it sort of makes you afraid of being right, even if you really should be right without the information. | ||
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However we also need to find a way to cut down the length of resistance games. Days lasting forever is a massive problem for mafia especially, but town too. | ||
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