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Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 15 2014 23:48 GMT

#1713

Basically, a couple situations:

a)Alz is scum, Wave is town, Alz lies and he dies.
b) Wave is scum, Alz is blue, Wave is lying and saying he didn't get saved, we lynch a blue
c) Wave is town, Alz is town, but Wave doesn't get notified unless someone tries to kill him so there's no verifications, we lynch a blue

Depends on how medic notification works, I dont' know though.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 15 2014 23:50 GMT

#1719

Also a votecount now if you would be so kind

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 15 2014 23:52 GMT

#1734

The really sad thing is that if neither of them are lying, we're pretty fucked because now Mafia have so much info.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 15 2014 23:56 GMT

#1748

On October 16 2014 08:54 Alzadar wrote:

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Can't target the same person twice in a row.

This may play an interesting role.

On October 16 2014 08:55 ketchup wrote:

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Well, I would never counter claim here as a medic.

Also true. Again, Dandel, is a person notified if they're "saved" by a medic but not attacked?

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 15 2014 23:58 GMT

#1751

On October 16 2014 08:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

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No, req.
But don't believe me I'm just manipulating you

Don't think your behavior has gone unnoticed.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 00:00 GMT

#1760

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Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 00:03 GMT

#1778

No scum died and we lost a Townie for free.

10 people remain and 3 of them are scum. Fantastic.

Coma's posting actually makes more sense from the position of a 3p imo.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 00:06 GMT

#1791

Hey Soniv, time to put on your Parity Cop pants if I'm reading these rules right.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 15:46 GMT

#1826

Now that we're in the Night Phase, I'd like to talk about Wave and why I think he's Scum. Posts have been pruned to the pertinent lines to save space. Timestamps have been left to make reference easier.

Voting actions Day 1

Day 1 he was adamant about getting people to vote, and called voting the most important aspect:

On October 11 2014 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well I'm a vote (and posting) whore.
But then again you probably knew that, stud.

On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why aren't people voting for scum?

On October 12 2014 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
And how is voting dumb exactly? To those who care about the game, voting is absolutely everything. It is the only way most town members can exert any pressure at all and it is the only way at all we can win.

And yet, he remained unvoted for most of the day - started with the Jeff vote (which I addressed previously), then removed it and jumped to Asmo (which I will discuss later), and after removing it, remained unvoted for nearly 24 hours.

On October 13 2014 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was much more confident earlier in the day, less so now. Pretty simple.
Problem?

He posted this right after going back to Asmo.

Then, in a swing of votes, Ghandi was in line to get lynched above MoonBear. Wave should have been overjoyed:

On October 13 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Tryhard posts can absolutely be incredibly scummy Req, but that's not the point. The point is we lynch Jeff today.

On October 13 2014 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
I feel a lot better about my vote on Jeff right now---I didn't really consider his taunting me earlier particularly scummy because that's a tactic I've only ever see more experienced scum use but I feel it's possible. The fact that he's leaving his explanations/defenses until right at the end of the day to force a scramble for majority is pretty anti-town as well. He has also shown he doesn't give any fucks about this game at all so I can think of no good reason to keep him around, even if he is town.
Would you want Jeff in a 3-man LYLO?

Vote accordingly, people.

Yet for no particular reason:

On October 13 2014 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's see what happens.
##unvote
##vote:moonbear

But, as soon as it was clear the MB train was going all the way to mislynch station:

On October 13 2014 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
I know that, but I just don't think scum.
Once again I ask, ladies and gents, shenannies?

##unvote

On October 13 2014 08:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Yeah, I bet you're happy with your vote where it is, after fucking off and doing nothing all day.

Let's go people. Votes off Jeff and MB.
It's ASMO TIME
##Vote: AsmodeusIX

Which leads us to our next point, Wave's view on "wasting" votes:

On October 13 2014 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
LOL
Are you fucking serious right now?
Do you honestly think I have had any reason at all to attempt to turn the town against ketchup?
I am so incredulous with this. I'd also love to explain to you why you're throwing your vote away and making it easier for scum but RAWRR FIGHT THE POWER I guess so you won't listen I assume.

And yet, how did his Day 1 vote end up?

On October 13 2014 09:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
AsmodeusXI (1): ~~WaveofShadow~~, ~~Alaric~~, ~~Lord Tolkien~~, WaveofShadow

On a vote that he "threw away".

Voting actions Day 2

This portion has the focal point of a single post, though it is not the only reference. This is his last post of Night 1:

On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave.
In case I die, scumreads are
Soniv
Asmo

Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff

Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today.
mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric
Don't let anyone fall off the radar.

Soniv and Asmo are his top picks. Let's circle back to that later. For now, let's look at his first post Day 2, and wonder about it:

On October 14 2014 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey cool, Wave is right about a whole bunch of stuff.
##vote: GhandiEAGLE
Get out my game jeff.

Why would you vote for Ghandi instead of your top two picks? Meta might say that this is just for fun, or a pressure vote, and that he was never intending to leave his vote there for an extended period of time. A fair assumption, but then why is he not using that pressure on his top two picks? And why, then, did he never vote for Asmo at all during the Day? Exacerbated by this:

On October 14 2014 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
My voting you has nothing to do with the night kill, it's just a bonus really.
And to be honest? You don't come off as much of anything. Not gonna argue and shit things up. Other people can comment as they please.

I wonder if they killed Tolkien because he was next strongest townie that wasn't on 6ah's 'protect list.' 6ah if you successfully managed to WIFOM the scum into avoiding all of us that's pretty hilarious, because otherwise I would have bet that Alaric would have been the kill tonight.

Kk gonna read lynchies yesterday. Lynchies are kinda like blushies except less nonexistent.

If Jeff "doesn't come off as anything", why is he the first vote both days? Why does he constantly pressure him and vote for him, but never stay on that vote? It's suspicious. He then jumps on Jeff, says this:

On October 16 2014 07:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think if Jeff flips green we flat out lose.

And then claims that he feels weak and pushes towards Coma, who isn't Mafia. He claims to feel "weak" in a couple different posts. Knowing he has a lot of people following him, he doesn't give any particular reason for leaving the Ghandi vote and going towards Coma (who to Scum!Wave is just another Townie), but rather gives gentle reasoning that pushes them. The end result of which turned out ok, since he was 3P instead of Town. However, the fact remains that Wave's "weakness" helped get a lot of people off of what they felt was a guaranteed Scum kill onto a lurker.

Additionally, Wave has been on Asmo since Day 1:

On October 12 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Reaaallllyyyy want to hear from joey joe joe carlson the 4th now that activity has picked up.

As for the rest of you, take a good look at Asmo's few posts. Especially those that are voting Req for making excuses/martyring.

Why are we not lynching [red]Asmo[red] right now?

But suddenly all it takes is Asmo voting for Coma to see this:

On October 16 2014 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo dropped the hammervote. Highly doubt he's scum now.

Which he immediately went back on:

On October 16 2014 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah, just remembered something random:
Asmo is back on the table since hammering 3P doesn't mean shit.

Easy cover for Scum!Wave. He had only mentioned Asmo in passing during the entirety of Day 2, despite him being top scum read next to Soniv. When he did, he still mentioned he thought Asmo was Scum but never put high pressure on him or voted for him. And suddenly all it took was a single vote for him to be Town for Wave.

Now, this logic is not in and of itself bad. For Town!Wave, Scum!Asmo voting for someone he thought was also Scum didn't make sense, so for Town!Wave it would have been clearing evidence. But there is literally no reason to mention it in passing except to use it as a shield later. If we're dealing with Scum!Wave, he knew Coma would not flip Red. And if Coma flipped Green, Scum!Wave could have easily turned and pointed that it made Asmo a prime scum target again.

I know many people assume Wave is Town at this point in time. That's fine, each person is entitled to their own opinion, that's the way games like this play. But in a room with 10 people, if 9 of them agree, it's the job of the tenth to disagree. Do not discount Wave, or anyone for that matter. I think everyone whose name isn't Cixah should be constantly under some level of suspicion from every player.

Wave is currently my biggest scumread for the reasons listed here and in my previous post during Day 2. You may be free to disagree or agree, or ignore this post.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 15:48 GMT

#1827

Read this as I copied in my big post, didn't want to merge them.

On October 17 2014 00:44 Alzadar wrote:
One thing I notice is that Requizen was around for the whole pre-lynch chaos but never changed his vote. What made you hold back, Req?

My read on Coma was that he was just a lurker playing shitty. And, it turned out semi-true - he wasn't Scum, which is why I never got a distinctly scum feeling from him. I still have a pretty scum feeling about Ghandi, and I felt better about leaving my vote there than voting on someone I was less confident on.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 15:58 GMT

#1830

On October 17 2014 00:55 mordek wrote:
Almost editted... and Ghandi!

Ghandi as town or Ghandi as watchlist?

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:19 GMT

#1836

On October 17 2014 01:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Req, flat out ignoring that post.
Sorry buddeh.

Wave, you've done nothing but deflect and avoid any claims against you. You even go so far as to discredit people who post against you, attacking their posting rather than their points against you. This does not look good on you, whether you want to admit it or not. If you're town, defend yourself, don't point at other people and scream about how Town your posting is, because it gets less believable each time you do it.

Additionally, Wave, why have you not done anything about this claim:

On October 16 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

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I will say this much, if he claims blue with very little time left that equates to a scumclaim for me at this point---it is absolutely not in town's interest to force the rest of town into a vote last minute without giving time to consider options.

But then what happened? Soniv claimed blue:

On October 16 2014 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

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On October 16 2014 06:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Alright, whelp, it's pretty clear at this point that the only way to get you idiots to stop voting for me is to claim. I am the Parity Cop.

"But Soniv, why didn't you claim earlier?!"

I was hoping that I would be able to talk you guys into putting your pitchforks down, and I was still pretty confident I could up until recently. As the Parity Cop, it is imperative that I make it through N2 without being roleblocked or killed. The longer I go without claiming, the longer scum goes without knowing what I am, and I was really hoping I would not have to claim. But for a town that bitched and moaned that Wave was trying to take control at the start of the game, you sure have been happy to let him lead your crosshairs.

I crumbed my N1 target, and earlier today I crumbed my intended target tonight. (both parts bolded in the below posts)

On October 14 2014 07:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Y'know, I come out of Alzadar's filter actually thinking he's more townie. There were some posts I remember that I thought were surely scum leaning, that register to me differently this time around. Example:

On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote:
Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader.

Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power.

First time around, the first part of the post seemed odd and sheepish to me - reflecting what I said earlier about him saying things to satisfy the thread. But before this post, he put Wave at probably town, and so this reads more as someone who is collaborating with someone he kinda sorta might trust a little bit.

Also, the second part exemplifies another quality of his general posting. He's been talking about setup stuff here and there (a fair amount of it earlier on), and usually it's not very productive or helpful and often distracts town. But rereading, he asks coherent questions that apply to the game flow, they show that he's invested in the goings on and is paying attention (despite backwards canadiansgiving). His filter comes off with more of a town vibe than I expected it to.

It did remind me of two things as well.

1. The IC claim was at a really weird time. That's right, I'm lookin' at you 6ah. I really hope that confirmation comes through or D2 is going to be very boring lol.

2. I want to take a look at Ket Chup. He's someone who I haven't really noticed even though I know he's been posting quite a bit. He will probably be my next focus.

On October 14 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:
If wav and sonib are mommy and daddy, what does that make me? The young twink that daddy's having an affair with?

the mistress

On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:

On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote:
Err just to make it bold:

##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req

at least someone is coming to their senses

On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages.
Provide some reads.
HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way.
If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with
Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them.

When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching.

There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all.

Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you

Now, Wave, instead of tunneling me as hard as you did, you probably should have actually read my posts instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA YOU'RE SCUM" - you might have noticed what I am. But at this point, you're either retarded or malicious, and I'm honestly leaning towards the former. Either way, you can suck my dick.

There are two hours left. Now get your god damn fucking votes off me.

LOL.
I was about to freak out that you checked 6ah and then I realized why you did.

To the bolded, <3 u bebe.
Unfortunately you don't play with me enough to know that I NEVER pick up on stuff like that. Rayn is always dropping hints and shit like that and I never get it. I'm pretty terrible in that regard.

Alright ladies and gents, you heard the man. Votes off.

##unvote

That is the biggest change of heart I've ever seen in my life. You then pushed people onto a Coma Vote as I talked about above.

You are not helping your case by avoiding the issues, and even if you ignore the posts, other people won't.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:21 GMT

#1838

On October 17 2014 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alaric should be higher up on the suspicious list right now for everyone. His play has been classically good town play, but for all the people who keep throwing suspicion on me because I'm capable of lying/manipulating as scum, look at Alaric's play. He very clearly knows how to play mafia and knows exactly what he is talking about, and so should so know what town likes to hear. I also remember saying I originally liked his vote dump on coma but now that coma flipped 3P, it doesn't mean anything anymore similar to Asmo' hammer. (essentially either of them could have thought they were voting town)

And as for req I'll defer to someone who had a primary scum read on him---the tunnel vision has gotten insanely out of hand, even for a newbie. Soniv these questions are for you but others can answer I suppose.

Do you think it's possible for req to simply be sticking to his guns because
A) it's easy to do and keeps him consistent
B) because he knows a lynch on me will never gain traction and so he can't be held accountable?

Like I still doubt I'd lynch the guy tomorrow over someone like owb for example but people have to admit it's getting a little bit insane, even for terrible town.

On October 17 2014 01:19 Requizen wrote:

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Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:23 GMT

#1840

On October 17 2014 01:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Req soniv claimed blue with more than enough time to deal with it. I have nothing to say to you anymore dude. You're either scum or you're horrible town, and either way you're distracting and useless. Get back to me and the rest of town when you get a clue. You can't just call everything I do deflecting because I refuse to engage your ridiculous notions anymore.

When have you ever engaged anyone when they post about you?

"I'm town as fuck" and "You don't know what you're talking about" and "That's terrible play" aren't engaging, and that's all you've done from Day 1.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:33 GMT

#1843

On October 17 2014 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well too bad because I'm not going to try to convince a guy who has tunnel vision ed me since the start of the game. I tried to do it with logic days ago and that didn't work, it's certainly not going to work now and a waste of time and will just serve to piss me off. Req doesn't believe in the way mafia is supposed to be played, he scoffs when people try to help and give him advice and he does what he wants. You're welcome to cater to him because I've done it long enough.

I'm going to be ignoring req until he gives me reason not to, and garnering votes against me tomorrow won't do it.

You've never tried to use logic against me. I brought up points against you Day 1. Admittedly they were thin, but so were EVERYONE's points because it was Day 1. You basically just said "I know how to play the game, you don't" and then pointed me at Lord Tolkien.

You're right, I don't "believe in the way mafia is supposed to be played" because the second you fall into the same rut of playing a game, the easier it is to game. If I follow people's advice to the point that I don't listen to my own instincts, then I'm not playing the game. I'm just being a sheep, and you were so derisive of anyone sheeping earlier.

At this point you're just getting pissed because I'm continuing to find things in your play that I think are dodgy - many of which have not been talked about by anyone yet. Just because I'm the only person following you does not make these points any less worth discussing, and if you are too stubborn to not talk about them, I'll be too stubborn to not stop talking about them.

Plugging your ears does not make you look innocent.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:46 GMT

#1847

On October 17 2014 01:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
it's really funny reading that after being the target of your tunneling

Careful or you might get ignored too.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:47 GMT

#1848

Sorry that was a little petty of me, shitposting should stay in OT.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:47 GMT

#1849

If I could edit it off I would.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 16:53 GMT

#1851

On October 17 2014 01:40 Alzadar wrote:

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That request is meaningless since if he's scum he can ensure that Soniv dies or is roleblocked.

Well... there's a bit more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. Alz or Soinv will likely die tonight, I think.

But who knows? Maybe there's a plan that requires leaving them alive.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

October 16 2014 17:49 GMT

#1865

On October 17 2014 02:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nah medic and JK is probably OP.

Assuming Alzadar is telling the truth.

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