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On October 15 2014 08:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
It makes sense from a shit town perspective, and zero from a scum perspective.
He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him.
Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play. This is both the most self-centered and stupidest post I've seen you make. Taking advice in a game where a full quarter to third of the people want to kill you? Yeah ok, let me get right on that. If my plays are stupid beyond belief, at least they're my plays and not being influenced by anyone else.
Bt req what you don't understand is that shit DOESNT MATTER.
Mafia is not a game of independence, it's a game of coming together and attempting to trust people so you can root out the scum in the midst. How the fuck would anyone ever get that done if everyone had their own agenda and never listens to anyone?
You're missing basic concepts here and getting mad when people attempt to explain why you're wrong. If this IS a scum tactic of wasting our time then bravo. I'm done defending you at this point, req. I've tried to help consistently but you continue to lash out at me. If you get lynched now it's your own damn fault, not that you probably care.
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On October 15 2014 08:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:59 Requizen wrote:I've posted and responded and tried to help town, and repeatedly was told I was doing it wrong and that my posts were incorrect and stupid. So I'm trying something different. As it turns out, pretty much everything I do elicits a similar response. Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break. I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here: + Show Spoiler +Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time?
All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know. As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there. I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head. But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play. Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so. Req, you posted stuff that you were clearly having opinions on, but your reasons for arriving at them was poor. You continually made and still make "I'm new/I'm bad at this" posts (this post is a case in point) and you're a huge martyr. You have been erratic and generally anti-town. You wasted your D1 vote. You have OMGUS'd not once, but twice. @Wave - I acknowledge what you're thinking. And I agree, it doesn't make much sense for scum to do that. And that is the line of thinking that a somewhat experienced player would have. But this is a game full of noobs and Req has made damn sure that we know he's one of them. There's a reason that the things I have listed above are tried and true scumtells. FUCKING JEFF WHERE ARE YOU
Yeah and MB did the same thing.
So did Asmo.
So did coma (I think?)
Are they all scum?
I'm drawing the line where I think it needs to be drawn.
I'm also done discussing this as it's not productive in my opinion. What I would like to know is who else is scum Soniv?
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Ok I just read you're leaning coma and probably Jeff.
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On October 15 2014 08:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok I just read you're leaning coma and probably Jeff. no shit maybe once you take off those blinders because YOU WANT TO KILL ME OH SO BAD, you'll actually read my posts today.
Plz sonib. Look at me with a straight face and tell me that isn't forced.
And I don't really care about your barely scumread on coma and jeff because that essentially has just simply been whining about lurkers. They've posted enough that you can analyze their play and you haven't.
On October 15 2014 08:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 08:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 15 2014 08:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 07:59 Requizen wrote:I've posted and responded and tried to help town, and repeatedly was told I was doing it wrong and that my posts were incorrect and stupid. So I'm trying something different. As it turns out, pretty much everything I do elicits a similar response. Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break. I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here: + Show Spoiler +Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time?
All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know. As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there. I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head. But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play. Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so. Req, you posted stuff that you were clearly having opinions on, but your reasons for arriving at them was poor. You continually made and still make "I'm new/I'm bad at this" posts (this post is a case in point) and you're a huge martyr. You have been erratic and generally anti-town. You wasted your D1 vote. You have OMGUS'd not once, but twice. @Wave - I acknowledge what you're thinking. And I agree, it doesn't make much sense for scum to do that. And that is the line of thinking that a somewhat experienced player would have. But this is a game full of noobs and Req has made damn sure that we know he's one of them. There's a reason that the things I have listed above are tried and true scumtells. FUCKING JEFF WHERE ARE YOU Yeah and MB did the same thing. So did Asmo. So did coma (I think?) Are they all scum? I'm drawing the line where I think it needs to be drawn. I'm also done discussing this as it's not productive in my opinion. What I would like to know is who else is scum Soniv? Req stepped way whatever line you're drawing. MB did do the same thing, you're right. And you agreed with me when he did it. Several others have done it as well here and there. It has been the entire theme of Req's posting history.
Yeah, I did agree with you at the time, and then he did stuff that made me change my mind, and in the end I was right, so my attitude has changed about the people playing this way in this game. Some reason yours hasn't?
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On October 15 2014 08:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Why does this always happen whenever I get home
U make me look bad when anti-timing occurs
LOL
This is too fucking hilarious.
You get a chance though because I've noticed what time you post and it has been around now.
What I don't excuse is your posting all day in OT and avoiding this thread mostly.
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On October 15 2014 08:22 Alaric wrote:You're pretty bad at sounding legitimately pissed though, Soniv. 
HAHA YES YOU PICKED UP ON IT TOO
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lol Alaric your insights have been pretty good---imo more posting/conversation from you and less walls of text plz.
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On October 15 2014 10:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:Okay. Back and ready to fight on. After my post, Soniv's made decent plays as both scum and town (WIFOM, I know, just bear with me). He's marginally addressed my post: not drawing too much attention to it, but also no hard denial/OMGUS. That's a town reaction, especially so far from deadline. He's also found someone to go after, which is the town's good work should Req bleed red. That's another seemingly town interaction. However, the manipulation factor is still relevant. At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that). Furthermore, Soniv's other reads are still lurkers like Coma and Ghandi. I genuinely don't believe that lynching a lurker does the town that much good atm. I think the scummers are at least more active than Coma, especially since they had a pretty great first cycle. When you're winning, you stay more invested. I believe any given lurker is most likely to be town, including Coma, despite his lack of good content (which pisses me off a lot, but doesn't necessarily make him scum). Unfortunately for those of us on Soniv's trail, Jeff is another story. Jeff's posting looks fishy as fuck, fishy enough that most people smell stink coming from his direction, real or not. What's interesting to me about Soniv's perspectives is that there have been indications that (after Req) Soniv's next target is Coma, and not the more egregiously suspicious Jeff. For posterity (and I acknowledge this may have changed): Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote:
Err just to make it bold:
##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req at least someone is coming to their senses On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages.
Provide some reads.
HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way.
If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with
Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them. When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching. There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all. Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas). @Cixah - I think you can gather from my thoughts that I think Req is misguided town. If he's scum, it's a damn masterful job. owb is less clear. Not a lot of content, lots of questioning without a real opinion in a while, and his last vote with an OMGUS against Jeff. That doesn't look very town. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 11:29 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 14 2014 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
also OWB is lurking so fucking much, holy shit
pls post dude Holy shit I might just lynch Jeff for this post. I was more active than him during the first half of the night phase and then he comes out of no where and makes this post. Which fine, I've been away for a lot of the game, but I had also posted this before On October 14 2014 04:42 onlywonderboy wrote:
I have to go to work now so I'll be gone for most of the evening. I should be able to check back in tonight after the night phase ends and see what's going on. If not I'll definitely be able to catch up during my morning class tomorrow. You even reading the thread? It's fine that you were away because of real life responsibilities, but I'm scum for it? Okay. ##Vote: GhandiEAGLE owb for me at the moment is leaning scum, just from those three things, now that I think about them. But he could also be genuinely curious and unsure in a mafia game. His posts read like they do in RL. So I can't be sure. I also can't get a read on mordek to save my life, but with a soniv vote that leans me in favor of town for now, just for agreement's sake. We'll see. As far as participation goes, I have some thoughts to share post-game. However, now they'll just come off as noob whine or some other cancer, so it's not really the time nor place. TL;DR - I'm still feeling good about my scum read on Soniv, so that's where I'll stay. LT wouldn't be the first person he's convinced he's town (that honor is mine), so I'm not letting up until this ugly feeling is gone, hopefully in the form of some red blood.
Alrighty.
Got some stuff to say about this post.
First of all there's not really much in terms of 'lurker' status any more. Coma Jeff owb and mordek have posted enough that people need to have real reads on them that are not solely based on activity (I'm not accusing anyone specific of this, just saying). That being said, there's definitely a difference in content between people as Jeff recently pointed out. (contentwise Jeff you still get lumped into the lower end, buddeh)
Now this is post is all well and good by Asmo, he talks about a bunch of different people talks about the game state, very nice. More parroting of stuff I've already said (aside from the very meh section about owb, whatever)
One specific section really struck me though and I'd very much like to get opinions on this.
To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas).
This is an entirely new POV and shows that Asmo is attempting to think about connections between scummers. Now some people including myself have pointed out that pre-flip association isn't particularly useful, and often results in confirmation bias leading you and others astray. That however, isn't my main point.
My biggest problem (and it is literally a problem, because I'm not sure I can give a completely unbiased answer to it):
Which alignment posts something like the bolded? Who is thinking about leaving a scum to be sacrificed? Is this something that is going on in the scum QT that Asmo is trying to 'bring to light?' Is he just thinking really critically? I am not trying to lead on any answers here, but I want opinions. I think that section of the post is the key to cracking Asmo one way or another.
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On October 15 2014 08:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I was following the Wave-Soniv thing with a lot of interest, and Soniv is still my #1 most wanted. Right now, he's the only lynch other than me (but I'm innocent, I'm afraid) that tells us a lot. What does it tell us Jeff? I want to hear it in your words, I don't want anyone else answering this question. Show nested quote +
Soniv, on the other hand, has had a few important relationships with a lot of people, and I don't need to go into it since Ketchup described my feelings in a post yesterday ('bout those yung pockets). It confirms what I believe in that Wave and Ketchup are both town (Req that ketchup vote was just straight stupid).
I have already addressed the concerns about me "pocketing" people. They were all examples of me changing my reads on people, something wave has said I haven't done. The 3 examples were Alzadar, ketchup and wave, all three of which I have changed my reads on. Show nested quote +
I still think Soniv right now as #1 scum, or at least best possible lynch at the moment. He says a lot, but in reality he never really does much when he points fingers. He tends to separate those posts. Also, he's doing the pretend rage thing that I called him out for earlier. That's scummy. Or, at the very least, it's fishy.
So I'm your #1 scum read for "pocketing" people. And to everyone claiming that I'm faking rage (wave, you're continually smearing your bullshit) - I am not mad, I am frustrated at how thick headed wave is playing. I am trying very hard to remain level headed because having two people yelling at each other over and over is not a good town atmosphere, and wave is trying to bait me really hard.
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Oh and I forgot to mention...you 'changed you reads' on us?
When did you call any one of those three but Alzadar scum?
And plz soniv. I very obviously wasn't the only one to pick up on it, then you single me out and tell me I'm baiting YOU? And as far as yelling at each other over and over? You and I haven't had that kind of relationship this game, buddeh. Req+ people maybe, ketchup and me maybe, but you and me? I don't see it. Whenever the conflict I see happening becomes unhealthy I always do my best to drop it, but I don't see unhealthy conflict here, and YOU are the one trying to drop it and deflect. No no, good sir. Attention comes off of you when I say it does.
Still want hear about those other scumreads in more detail.
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On October 15 2014 11:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:I don't like this post nearly as much as your first one. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 10:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Okay. Back and ready to fight on.
After my post, Soniv's made decent plays as both scum and town (WIFOM, I know, just bear with me). He's marginally addressed my post: not drawing too much attention to it, but also no hard denial/OMGUS. That's a town reaction, especially so far from deadline. He's also found someone to go after, which is the town's good work should Req bleed red. That's another seemingly town interaction. However, the manipulation factor is still relevant. At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that). The meat of this paragraph is coming from the assumption that I am manipulating people, specifically Requizen. This is so ridiculously off base. I saw the intereactions between ketchup and Requizen. I then began pressing him as well. He shut down and became erratic under any hint of pressure. Everyone is excusing it because it's Requizen, and I'm calling bullshit. And once again, you're parroting this "fake anger" thing. And I will repeat - Wave's play is frustrating me, and I'm trying to maintain a level headedness. You are taking Wave's misguided crosshairs as gospel and using that to justify something that is simply untrue. Show nested quote +
Furthermore, Soniv's other reads are still lurkers like Coma and Ghandi. I genuinely don't believe that lynching a lurker does the town that much good atm. I think the scummers are at least more active than Coma, especially since they had a pretty great first cycle. When you're winning, you stay more invested. I believe any given lurker is most likely to be town, including Coma, despite his lack of good content (which pisses me off a lot, but doesn't necessarily make him scum).
Lynching a lurker D1 and lynching a lurker D2 are two wildly different things. The way things are going, I still maintain that the majority of this thread is town yelling at each other while the scum just sit quietly and get by with minimal posting. Show nested quote +Unfortunately for those of us on Soniv's trail, Jeff is another story. Jeff's posting looks fishy as fuck, fishy enough that most people smell stink coming from his direction, real or not. What's interesting to me about Soniv's perspectives is that there have been indications that (after Req) Soniv's next target is Coma, and not the more egregiously suspicious Jeff. For posterity (and I acknowledge this may have changed): On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote:
Err just to make it bold:
##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req at least someone is coming to their senses On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages.
Provide some reads.
HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way.
If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with
Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them. When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching. There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all. Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas). I lumped Jeff in with the "scummy as fuck lurkers" because, as said above, there is a larger than I'm comfortable with number of scummers hiding in the lurkers. Because let's face it, half of the players in this game are not posting enough. Earlier on, I believe I said something to the effect of "just because LT is dead doesn't mean you can get off scot free and not post anymore" to him, and so I'm trying to keep him honest. There are lots of lurkers, and I wish other people would be addressing them directly as well. That bolded part at the end serves absolutely no purpose other than to shed me in a negative light. It's pure conjecture with no basis. Show nested quote +
@Cixah - I think you can gather from my thoughts that I think Req is misguided town. If he's scum, it's a damn masterful job.
I don't understand why you'd be praising his scum play. He's playing so scummy that there's no way he's scum? And therefore it's masterful? Not a chance. Show nested quote +
As far as participation goes, I have some thoughts to share post-game. However, now they'll just come off as noob whine or some other cancer, so it's not really the time nor place.
And you finish it off with a quick, harmless noob claim. Show nested quote +TL;DR - I'm still feeling good about my scum read on Soniv, so that's where I'll stay. LT wouldn't be the first person he's convinced he's town (that honor is mine), so I'm not letting up until this ugly feeling is gone, hopefully in the form of some red blood. I didn't convince LT of shit, I haven't had to defend myself until today, after he was dead. He made that read based on what he saw of me in game, I don't really think I had many 1 on 1 interactions with him. Welcome to my scum list Asmo. Your first case post was good. This one reeks of scum trying to keep the momentum on this bandwagon because wave is stirring up enough trouble to keep it viable. You and I need to talk some more I think.
And other people had better pay attention to the conversation we have.
As far as lurkers stealing away the game goes---I don't think that's fair any more as I mentioned above. There are people with less content volume and less quality, sure, but there's more than enough to go on by now, and even those with the smallest filters have posted a decent enough amount today. I don't really expect anyone to come even close to what I'm capable of churning out. If you want to eliminate 'lurkers,' the ABSOLUTE first one on your list should be Jeff, because he continually lurks until the pressure on him rises (with a small exception being he put forth some stuff today---though that is neither here nor there because it's entirely possible he just caught on that we caught on).
There may be something to the fact that there are those sitting by while I stir up shit, but then you have to tell me exactly where that's occurring. What's the context? How can you prove to me those people are scum? Because as I see it, if you escape the noose today it means it's Jeff's head and then it may just come back to you D3.
Either way, I think I get what I want today.
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Because req. If you look at the stages of the game where he gets all emo and pissy, and then he comes back and actually tries to participate, you can see that there is an actual progression and the timing of these moods makes sense. I have no reason to doubt that he is being genuine at all and I don't plan on changing my mind.
Your turn now, and Asmo is asking for it too. More detail on your other scumreads.
A general question for basically everyone in here...what do you think the reason for 'applying pressure is,' exactly? Because if you think the point is to get answers for your questions, you're probably barking up the wrong tree.
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Well that's a shame because I'm not going to be around much tomorrow, and looky where dem votes is.
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I want people to look at the bolded section of my post on Asmo and respond please.
On October 15 2014 12:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Asmo has been pretty timely with his input, and it's been well thought-out. However, it's never actually led to anything at all (except MoonBear, but to be fair I don't think that was his fault; it was pretty inevitable with the way MB was playing there). I like how you're getting at things Asmo, but I want to see more conviction in your reads. You don't vote very often at all, but I think it could be valuable. I know you're on Soniv now, but I want to see you take more of a leading role in future discussion.
You do realize this post is completely and utterly useless, right? I hope everyone else does too.
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On October 15 2014 11:53 ketchup wrote:
Why is game so difficult? QQ
It wouldn't be so hard if I were better at the game
I really want to stick to my guns here but now I'm tempted to lynch into the lesser-discussed pool. I think in the end we have to stick with soniv/jeff because they leave too many unanswered questions.
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On October 15 2014 12:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
What im trying to show is that these "prod posts" are useless ways for people to seem helpful while never playing any cards. I think we should stop accepting these as legitimate discussion starters.
What are you referring to?
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On October 15 2014 12:38 Cixah wrote:I got to take my agression out on casting spells as a mage in shadowrun so this is going to boil down to one thing. I've been taking this game too much as puzzle and less of a series of people trying to manipulate one another. ##Vote GhandiEAGLEGhandi has STILL over the course of this entire day done nothing but deflect his would be lynching while jumping onto Soniv's train which is already populated by the majorty of the thread. What you guys have to do is convince me why I should vote Soniv, because after his exchange with Wave in this page I'm not feeling it. Both of these guys (Soniv and Jeff) have done nothing but try to save their own hide. Give me game insight out of the two of you or this is going to Lynch one and then the other for me in the morning. The rest of the thread. Convince me I'm wrong. I'm going to bed late again because of this thread. Completely ruining my sleep schedule for this crap  .
Why do I need to convince you?
And in regards to the first part...it's really both a puzzle and manipulation...but I think in general people in this thread are VASTLY overestimating the manipulation part.
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On October 15 2014 13:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Going to bed now, it's sleepy time.
On October 15 2014 14:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I agree, we're going to get into definitions and NOBODY wants to argue about definitions again.
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I'm starting to consider that my scumreads could be off and we are dealing with lurk city.
If so I'm fine with ousting the mayor first.
##unvote
##vote GhandiEAGLE
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6ah I'll get to Alzadar if I get the chance later. He's not really important right now.
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Alaric i don't understand, what are you trying to do with your vote? Just vote dude.
And at this point yes, it's pretty obvious there's a bus going on, unless it's lurk city not involving Jeff which isn't an option widely considered at the moment.
I doubt I'll get a chance can before deadline but you're right there are a few people talking about being 'cleared' which is kind of silly because you can only truly be cleared in this game by dying or through role action.
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