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On October 13 2014 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend  ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia ( which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum? My phrasing was bad. I mean only a bad mafia would be so careless to do that vote with that reasoning. But an okay mafia would do the too scum to be scum. I don't know DPs play but I find it plausible.You're again assuming I had only a blue read on him. I can call him out so at least I gather information about his alignment without making him look blue.I've already gave you all my reasons. I don't care if people will find my cases crappy. I'll come to the thread, say what I'm thinking and at least get people talking, specially on early day1
red: Although you called him a "legend" and "didn't think that is the case"? i am not sure i believe you regarding "i misphrased my thoughts".
green: Yes i am because YOU SAID SO! Now you are giving excuses, but you really did say so. Literally, as i pointed out. But let's think for a moment you are telling the truth here and misphrased your post. The way you called him out made every single intelligent person realize what you are saying (mafia or blue). You basically put yourself into a situation where you hint you think DP is blue if he is not mafia and then you shut yourself down when people (obviously) call you out. Do you REALLY think it was the best way to call DP out, instead of let's say like: "DarthPunk why is your read on Damdred so bad? You can't possibly think he is scum for that, so why are you saying so?"
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What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!"
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Also an okay mafia never ever does "too scum to be scum".
Never ever. They do "too town to be scum".....
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Well i am not going to convince you about my read on you so let's talk about somethingelse since you are the only one here.
What's your read on CR?
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On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it?
Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more.
Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"?
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On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question.
Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing.
That would be my interpretation.
Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you.
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On October 13 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? Why making such entrance, then? What so you get from his opening? Tell me town motivation behind doing that kind of post.
Town motivation for calling someone mafia at the start of the game?
Well to get the game started... Get people talking about something game relevant.... Get people to take stances.. Put pressure on people who might be mafia...
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On October 13 2014 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh my gosh, what is this fight that I really cant be bothered to read.
town and town.
It's not a fight.
It's me calling GB scum for something and him saying "i misphrased my post that's why it's scummy".
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GlowingBear you have literally called a guy who has pushed the game most forward mafia.
And another guy who did the same thing "mafia or blue" without thinking the consequenses from the beginning.
Your vote is nowhere, and now you are calling ritoky mafia. I answered your post about ritoky already. I also said i am not going to convince you that you are mafia and wanted to talk about something else. So unless you think i am mafia why have you not commented on my post about your ritoky read?
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On October 13 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question. Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you. They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is? Does this make sense to you? As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting?
I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this so explain yourself.
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Also that's not what i said.
Not at all..
I said you gave yourself an out by saying DP is blue if not mafia.
Townies do not think someone is blue if they do a scummy thing "because town can act scummy if they are blue".
That's just bullshit. Townies push a case on scummy people because they want to lynch mafia.
You are not doing that.
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On October 13 2014 00:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i am not going to convince you about my read on you so let's talk about somethingelse since you are the only one here.
What's your read on CR? Leaning town. I had some suspicions on him but his posts are making sense, which is not something that happens too much when he is mafia. Yours?
Most obviously town after Hopeless.
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On October 13 2014 00:44 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? Why making such entrance, then? What so you get from his opening? Tell me town motivation behind doing that kind of post. Town motivation for calling someone mafia at the start of the game? Well to get the game started... Get people talking about something game relevant.... Get people to take stances.. Put pressure on people who might be mafia... He didn't call Damdred mafia, he said he didn't care for his alignment. Are you scumreading me for attacking a post without even knowing its content?
He called him useless which would mean he is either mafia or anyways not helping the town.
Which translates into a message to all the people: "Don't be useless because you'll get lynched if you are".
That'sa pro-town behaviour regardless of DarthPunk's alignement. If he had kept his vote on Damdred and just pushed his lynch it would more likely to be mafia behaviour. But he didn't. He is calling all the people who make useless posts out. Is that a mafia trait to you? Like i can understand you initially give DP a scumread for his vote on Damdred. but still? scumreading him for that is ridiculous given what he has done since.
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On October 13 2014 00:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh my gosh, what is this fight that I really cant be bothered to read.
town and town.
It's not a fight. It's me calling GB scum for something and him saying "i misphrased my post that's why it's scummy". for like 2 fucking pages man. And you havent decided if hes scum yet?
are you even reading?
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On October 13 2014 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
I also commented your post on ritoky. I said everything was a matter of opinion and that I thought we wouldn't convince each other regarding him.
Okay i must have missed this then.
How are you planning on convincing other people if you do not debunk my counter-case on your case?
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On October 13 2014 00:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question. Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you. They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is? Does this make sense to you? As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting? I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this so explain yourself. Ok. Explaining further. You're a town and you saw my post on DP. "Tried to look scum" sounded like I had a blue tell on DP. What would a townie do? 1) Force me into saying who I think is blue 2) Inquire me regarding my other scum read You agree with me it would be (2), or at least never (1), right? But people forced me into saying that I thought DP was blue. So: A) Either you're wrong on saying I was clearly hinting DP was blue or B) It was clear and scum tried to force me into saying I think DP is blue. Therefore, what do you make of people who forced me into giving my blue read on DP?
(1) is not relevant. People would force you to say you think DP is blue because they think you already think so and if you give a different reasoning for your scummy post you are 100% mafia.
Why would anyone do (2) instead of (1) as you have already outed your "blue or mafia" read on DP?
Which is why i don't believe you, this is too easy to figure out. It is too easy to figure out in case you are town you should never have said what you did in the first place. It's too easy to figure out (1) is obviously the correct answer.
And i don't believe you are dumb enough to not see that.
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On October 13 2014 00:55 geript wrote:
Rayn why don't i have a townread on you yet? Can you please be super towny for me?
Probably not.
GlowingBear. Where did your scumread on geript go?
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On October 13 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
all Im seeing is the same thing from 2 pages ago.
Why are you still arguing if you think hes scum? Are you trying to convince GB that he is scum?
I am trying to get more information since you are just staying in the sidelines and not telling what we should be talking about. Which is scummy since you seem to think both of us are town. Two townies are fighting and you don't give the thread a new direction while clearly being here. Why Oats? What should we talk about?
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On October 13 2014 01:00 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:55 geript wrote:
Rayn why don't i have a townread on you yet? Can you please be super towny for me? Probably not. GlowingBear. Where did your scumread on geript go? Why not? Did Barakos roll mafia and pee his pants?
No he didn't. At least he didn't do the former. Dunno about the latter.
##unvote
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idk. maybe ritoky is mafia after all.
I don't believe GB is scum anymore and noone is really pushing sqrt which i would expect mafia to do in case he was town and ritoky was whatever alignment.
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