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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 16:23 GMT
#621
I disagree then and I think its pretty weak resoning... Especially his scum reads are just there with no real thought? How can you give him town points for them? Could rng who are scum and make that list basically
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:23 GMT
#622
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:24 GMT
#623
On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.


so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 16:25 GMT
#624
On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


No that's going against his philosophy of how to play mafia. So reads are not alignment indicative.

His struggle on oo alignment is fake as shit too. He doesn't want to pressure because rng, yet is content to call oo strange. How is that a mafia read. As town he shouldn't care about the rng factor concerning oo if he thinks that bh is likely town. Or even null since rng from bh isn't alignment indicative. Thus his caution on oo seems trumped up and fake.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:25 GMT
#625
he's stuck to his bh scum read like glue and it looks like overnight that he processed what everyone was saying and has reevaluated, how else do you propose he finds scum other than updating his reads based on what people do???
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:26 GMT
#626
On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.


so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it

Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for

If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum
Else, Town

That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:26 GMT
#627
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:28 GMT
#628
On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO

OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it
On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job!




Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
October 07 2014 16:30 GMT
#629
Hi guys, I've returned to the thread. I'm currently catching up, but I took a moment to observe that OO still hasn't posted anything of note, or anything at all really since I last mentioned him. This kind of lethargy and uninterest is not too uncommon for scum players, and might even be a scumtell for OO (someone earlier said that OO's meta as scum is to do nothing and be uninterested). Those of you who want me to formulate a case against OO, allow me to show you the entirety of his filter:

On October 06 2014 12:53 ObviousOne wrote:
first

On October 06 2014 13:02 ObviousOne wrote:
que pasa con sus consuelas hijoles fritas

On October 06 2014 13:04 ObviousOne wrote:
p.s. bedtime nitenite

On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread?

On October 07 2014 02:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Okay good, now that's out of the way.

#1 oats is prob town he's too frustrated and sticking around despite it. By corollary I like HF and batsnacks based on that discussion.

#2 don't know what to make of Grack, he was present and participating in a conversation but I don't really see anything alignment indicative after almost a full page of filter

#3 interested in the reply from storr re: liancourt

On October 07 2014 02:29 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 02:20 batsnacks wrote:
I am a one man train.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

On October 07 2014 05:33 ObviousOne wrote:
Lol holy shit self voting is literally against the rules I should have read at some point. Someone asked bout my oats read and it was cuz he stuck to defending his claim as a joke an participated in tomfoolery ironically

aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted.

Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse.

In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:32 GMT
#630
On October 08 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.


so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it

Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for

If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum
Else, Town

That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF?


He came up with the idea that being on an rng wagon would be a very convenient place to hide because then people are just following a rng post and they don't give any information, that IS scummy and is the correct thing to point out. Then, when people who he is scum reading start to interact more and flesh out things he drops that scum read because it goes against what he was originally saying. He continues to scum read BH because he hasn't played with BH and what BH does is terrible=scummy, hearing a million people say it is in fact null moved him to seriously reconsider his stance on BH from scummy to null. His read on oats was before most people even said anything about oats and gave oats room to express more things and in fact showed better reading comprehension than me/batsnacks etc etc. The only weird thing is the OO thing and I'd much rather he explained himself out fully on this instead because I envisage that another skydragon event will occur.

Just because you disagree with his thought process does not mean that it is quite evidently there.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:32 GMT
#631
On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO

OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job!






he doesn't know how to play mafia, he knows how to play town, it's not particularly rng
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
October 07 2014 16:35 GMT
#632
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:36 GMT
#633
On October 08 2014 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.


so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it

Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for

If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum
Else, Town

That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF?


He came up with the idea that being on an rng wagon would be a very convenient place to hide because then people are just following a rng post and they don't give any information, that IS scummy and is the correct thing to point out. Then, when people who he is scum reading start to interact more and flesh out things he drops that scum read because it goes against what he was originally saying. He continues to scum read BH because he hasn't played with BH and what BH does is terrible=scummy, hearing a million people say it is in fact null moved him to seriously reconsider his stance on BH from scummy to null. His read on oats was before most people even said anything about oats and gave oats room to express more things and in fact showed better reading comprehension than me/batsnacks etc etc. The only weird thing is the OO thing and I'd much rather he explained himself out fully on this instead because I envisage that another skydragon event will occur.

Just because you disagree with his thought process does not mean that it is quite evidently there.


On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:

Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.



That's not a developed read.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 16:36 GMT
#634
BH could you look at storrs case/lian and hf and tell me what you think?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:36 GMT
#635
yes ok hopeless w/e you say continue lynching the guy
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:37 GMT
#636
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:38 GMT
#637
On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne

On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO

OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job!






...?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
October 07 2014 16:38 GMT
#638
Vote Count:
Grackaroni (0): batsnacks
Oatsmaster (0): batsnacks
Obvious One (3): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Grackaroni, Hopeless1der
Palmer (1): batsnacks
Obiwanshinobi (2): Holyflare, Grackaroni
Holyflare (1): ObiWanShinobi
KelsierSC (1): Oatsmaster
liancourt (1): StorrZerg

Not Voting (5): Damdred, Palmer, liancourt, KelsierSC, ObviousOne

Currently Obvious One is set to be lynched.
Day 1 ends at Wednesday, Oct 08 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 16:40 GMT
#639
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.

my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me.

@hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives.
what makes lian different to obi ?
Zerg for Life
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:40 GMT
#640
@liancourt:

can we get an updated read of
- Grack based on filter content, not his vote history
- Slam in general
- BH's re: push to continue to lynch OO

I'm going to assume you OMGUS Storr.
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