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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 15:38 GMT
#601
The Damning Case of liancourt

On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream

plain as can be


Hmm claims in first post


On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.

Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.



i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction.

I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that.

I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum.

I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum


Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum?



This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted"
how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play.

Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats.

On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:
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On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao

Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-

Wait this is not OMGUS.net


Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless.


Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out.

On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is

oats just over reacting

OO acting strangely i admit

hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF

I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves.


I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners.


On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
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On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?

You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?


At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.

Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.

And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.

We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.

The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.

Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.

Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.

I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.

Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.




The question is, who does he think are scummy?

1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town

So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"

And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.

He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play.

On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:


I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.







So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually.
But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking.
Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example?


See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum.

I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.


Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE.

And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum.




So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone.

#LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt


Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 15:45 GMT
#602
I actually like lian and I have no idea why nobody else does.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 15:47 GMT
#603
Just to flesh it out in case it wasn't obvious, I do not like your case at all. I see his reads progressing pretty naturally from disliking people on the rng wagon because it's an easy place for scum to hide and then when they switch off and talk more he moves them to null/towny.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 15:49 GMT
#604
he isn't doing anything. And his actions are scummy. He responds to a direct question on who his scum are, and he makes a list post, with his scum being 2 "inactive players" and someone "who asks questions" yet doesn't "give information"

yeah thats super town pro thing to do MY BAD
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 15:50 GMT
#605
Hf why do you like loan so much?

I like your case storr
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 15:53 GMT
#606
On October 08 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also, I rescind my townread on Grack. Not reading the thread =/= alignment indicative, but he pushes me based on the fact that I didn't know whether or not he called BH town. It's an incredibly superficial push and I don't like it.


This isn't true by the way, grack is pushing you because you answered hopeless about him and kelsier and you said that you think their both townyish but then later admitted that you hadn't read gracks filter at all


Except he said none of these things and pushed me on not knowing if he said BH was town or not.

Might be easier for you to answer for him if you already know his alignment.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
October 07 2014 15:53 GMT
#607
Also, I'm heading to work. I'll be back a while before deadline.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 15:55 GMT
#608
It's so much more than what you're saying that's so wrong
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 15:56 GMT
#609
On October 08 2014 00:49 StorrZerg wrote:
he isn't doing anything. And his actions are scummy. He responds to a direct question on who his scum are, and he makes a list post, with his scum being 2 "inactive players" and someone "who asks questions" yet doesn't "give information"

yeah thats super town pro thing to do MY BAD


it's not a list post it's a reasoned out post about what his reads are in a direct response to someone asking him he he thought was mafia, it follows what I see as a train of thought and a process of elimination which is pretty towny imo
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 15:59 GMT
#610
On October 08 2014 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 00:49 StorrZerg wrote:
he isn't doing anything. And his actions are scummy. He responds to a direct question on who his scum are, and he makes a list post, with his scum being 2 "inactive players" and someone "who asks questions" yet doesn't "give information"

yeah thats super town pro thing to do MY BAD


it's not a list post it's a reasoned out post about what his reads are in a direct response to someone asking him he he thought was mafia, it follows what I see as a train of thought and a process of elimination which is pretty towny imo


And the end result is no one as mafia
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:05 GMT
#611
apart from those 3 to 4 peoples
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 16:08 GMT
#612
HF why do you like him? What is so great about his scum reads? Really he has three one me two people he pit as inactive
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 16:11 GMT
#613
1 you mean. 1 he calls town then strange doesn't count, 2 he calls inactive and will make a read when they post more, so not a scum read or scum case, should be down as null.

His only "scum read" is then damd which is for asking questions and not giving information. Which that read will change of course when damd talks... you see the pattern. ..
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:13 GMT
#614
his scum reads would include oo but he's hesitant to add him there and unless you come up with better ideas of who are mafia then you can't really criticise his mafia suspects
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:15 GMT
#615
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 07 2014 16:17 GMT
#616
On October 08 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote:
his scum reads would include oo but he's hesitant to add him there and unless you come up with better ideas of who are mafia then you can't really criticise his mafia suspects


WRONG......

Nice try to deflect
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:18 GMT
#617
i really don't care i'm not going to lynch him
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 16:19 GMT
#618
Ok hf, answer me your answer could determine whether others vote him. Tell is why you like him
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:20 GMT
#619
I already have told you
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 07 2014 16:20 GMT
#620
On October 08 2014 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 00:49 StorrZerg wrote:
he isn't doing anything. And his actions are scummy. He responds to a direct question on who his scum are, and he makes a list post, with his scum being 2 "inactive players" and someone "who asks questions" yet doesn't "give information"

yeah thats super town pro thing to do MY BAD


it's not a list post it's a reasoned out post about what his reads are in a direct response to someone asking him he he thought was mafia, it follows what I see as a train of thought and a process of elimination which is pretty towny imo

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