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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:12 GMT
#2908
so it's our best interest to find mafia today
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:13 GMT
#2911
On October 14 2014 01:13 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok people asked for my reads and in formulating them


shouldn't you have already got a general idea the moment hopeless flipped mafia..?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:20 GMT
#2921
On October 14 2014 01:18 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:09 Holyflare wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:05 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 14 2014 00:56 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 00:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 14 2014 00:51 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 14 2014 00:50 KelsierSC wrote:
So why is hf a better lynch ? Because he might be poisoner?

In fact because in all likelihood he is.

Only one thing that can convince me otherwise; a medic claim that unfortunately I also believe shouldn't happen.


We are not lynching Holyflare. Get this through your fucking head and find a new lynch target.

Why not?


Because I think he's town and I've given all of the reasons as to why this is. We are not lynching him because "3p looks town so HF might be scum for looking town."


Not why I'm lynching him. That simply explains how it adds up that someone can look town and yet not be town. I want to lynch him because there's no evidence we have a medic, because he completely overreacted to me suggesting a medic should claim and save his ass (like even if it's not the smartest move, we're basically going to treat him as town if he was indeed protected), and because mafia basically claimed to have shot him night 1.


On October 14 2014 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare is not the poisoner and he most certainly isn't mafia. I am not lynching him and anyone voting him is claiming scum.

I am going to work. I will be back a few hours before deadline.


Anyone voting him is claiming having a brain. Like there's two people voting him right now and we can't both be scum? So your theory is already awful.


if you say it's mylo why do you want the MEDIC to claim instead of just any other blue that would confirm that no medic probably exists, is it because you know there's a medic alive and you want him to be sniped?


I'm more than ok with any blue claims today. It's mylo, I already explained

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:09 Holyflare wrote:
if i'm shot n1 and poisoner i lose my vest, if mafia know im poisoner like you apparently somehow think they do why didn't they soot me yesterday!!?!? it's because it's a giant pile of wifom crap you are trying to push and useless and i haven't played like a poisoner at all and you haven't even read the game to know that


This is obviously bullshit. Mafia 100% thinks you're the poisoner, or at least that you could be poisoner. If they were sure you're town, they would've used the chance to shoot you last night because if they think you're a townie with medic protection, you couldn't have been saved that night and that window would be great for shooting you. Maybe they like the fact you can kill townies for them, who knows?

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:09 Holyflare wrote:
here i am pushing kelsier who actually probably adds up to being mafia or poisoner and you're trying to divert it off of him because "no he looks to town" and onto me because "hf looks too town and mafia said he's poisoner", ...........???


Accusing me of not reading the game while calling Kelsier scum is like.... so bad. Like he is genuinely trying to understand things here. He's very much town.





He believed I had a red check on mafia
He ignored the believed red check and called it a frame
He ignored the mafia hopeless entirely for all of the day he was pushed
He pushed most probable town obiwanshinobi over hopeless even though he said hopeless was scummy
He got very irrate the moment he got any form of accusation on him despite pushing towny obiwanshinobi
He's probably poisoner if anything
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:22 GMT
#2925
On October 14 2014 01:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Crap. I think HF and palmar are both right mind fry ughhhh


how can we both be right when we are pushing different things...?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:22 GMT
#2927
Palmar

Not played all game [✔]
Pushes mafia agenda the moment he comes back [✔]
Wants to kill top town [✔]
Tried to get medic to claim [✔]
Tries to kill Holyflare but then says he should get a 100% pass??? [✔]

Town Palmar? [X]
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:28 GMT
#2934
On October 14 2014 01:23 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
He believed I had a red check on mafia
He ignored the believed red check and called it a frame
He ignored the mafia hopeless entirely for all of the day he was pushed
He pushed most probable town obiwanshinobi over hopeless even though he said hopeless was scummy
He got very irrate the moment he got any form of accusation on him despite pushing towny obiwanshinobi


5 reasons he's mafia (and mafia specifically)

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
He's probably poisoner if anything


So clearly he's poisoner?

HF, you ok?


the way he got irrate at me and fought me calling him scummy looked very much like he was "able to show how towny" he had been but it was in such a weird way that it looked much more like a poisoner than mafia, pushing townies over mafia is easily poisoner agenda number 1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:30 GMT
#2939
On October 14 2014 01:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:28 Holyflare wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:23 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
He believed I had a red check on mafia
He ignored the believed red check and called it a frame
He ignored the mafia hopeless entirely for all of the day he was pushed
He pushed most probable town obiwanshinobi over hopeless even though he said hopeless was scummy
He got very irrate the moment he got any form of accusation on him despite pushing towny obiwanshinobi


5 reasons he's mafia (and mafia specifically)

On October 14 2014 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
He's probably poisoner if anything


So clearly he's poisoner?

HF, you ok?


the way he got irrate at me and fought me calling him scummy looked very much like he was "able to show how towny" he had been but it was in such a weird way that it looked much more like a poisoner than mafia, pushing townies over mafia is easily poisoner agenda number 1

So if I think he's town you're clearly poisoner!

CHECKMATE.


that doesn't make any sense whatsoever?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:31 GMT
#2941
On October 14 2014 01:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
Tries to kill Holyflare but then says he should get a 100% pass??? [✔]


You have a problem with that? Like if the magical medic appears and claims to have protected you night 1, should I then instead start thinking you're mafia?

If it isn't likely you're poisoner, there is literally 0% chance you're scum.


the medic is absolutely not claiming and i don't care if it makes me look terrible, he can claim tomorrow if i am still alive
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:32 GMT
#2943
On October 14 2014 01:32 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:29 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:28 Holyflare wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:23 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
He believed I had a red check on mafia
He ignored the believed red check and called it a frame
He ignored the mafia hopeless entirely for all of the day he was pushed
He pushed most probable town obiwanshinobi over hopeless even though he said hopeless was scummy
He got very irrate the moment he got any form of accusation on him despite pushing towny obiwanshinobi


5 reasons he's mafia (and mafia specifically)

On October 14 2014 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
He's probably poisoner if anything


So clearly he's poisoner?

HF, you ok?


the way he got irrate at me and fought me calling him scummy looked very much like he was "able to show how towny" he had been but it was in such a weird way that it looked much more like a poisoner than mafia, pushing townies over mafia is easily poisoner agenda number 1

So if I think he's town you're clearly poisoner!

CHECKMATE.


that doesn't make any sense whatsoever?


...

Show nested quote +
pushing townies over mafia is easily poisoner agenda number 1


If he's town, you're pushing poisoner agenda.


after killing 2 mafia in a row, yeh much logic
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:40 GMT
#2950
On October 14 2014 01:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:29 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
Tries to kill Holyflare but then says he should get a 100% pass??? [✔]


You have a problem with that? Like if the magical medic appears and claims to have protected you night 1, should I then instead start thinking you're mafia?

If it isn't likely you're poisoner, there is literally 0% chance you're scum.


the medic is absolutely not claiming and i don't care if it makes me look terrible, he can claim tomorrow if i am still alive

Every time I read this is lol because the likelihood of no medic is so strong


im the un cc'd hard claimed town roleblocker, if you believe i'm the poisoner then not only are there ~2 town roles unaccounted for cop/medic/vet/tracker/rber (probably no cop or tracker because they would have listened to me and actually done useful things) but that also means that in your world town only has a vig and a vet and ?????? against a mafia with a framer a rber and a poisoner + w/e mafia role is left that is not likely whatsoever

if there was another town rber he could instantly cc me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:42 GMT
#2951
a vig vet and medic is far too strong for town so the only likely sceneraio would be a vig a vet and a roleblocker, oh look it's me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:45 GMT
#2954
On October 14 2014 01:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:40 Holyflare wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:37 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:29 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
Tries to kill Holyflare but then says he should get a 100% pass??? [✔]


You have a problem with that? Like if the magical medic appears and claims to have protected you night 1, should I then instead start thinking you're mafia?

If it isn't likely you're poisoner, there is literally 0% chance you're scum.


the medic is absolutely not claiming and i don't care if it makes me look terrible, he can claim tomorrow if i am still alive

Every time I read this is lol because the likelihood of no medic is so strong


im the un cc'd hard claimed town roleblocker, if you believe i'm the poisoner then not only are there ~2 town roles unaccounted for cop/medic/vet/tracker/rber (probably no cop or tracker because they would have listened to me and actually done useful things) but that also means that in your world town only has a vig and a vet and ?????? against a mafia with a framer a rber and a poisoner + w/e mafia role is left that is not likely whatsoever

if there was another town rber he could instantly cc me

I almost asked palmar if maybe this overturned but I remembered you claimed everything.


no it's quite simple, i claimed vig shooting at bh so mafia wouldn't waste a shot on bh because they think i'm getting him so in essence i saved bh, I claimed a cop to try and get as much information as possible out of hopeless and his mafia buddies but i didn't even really claim cop because i kept saying it wasn't a red check and i hard claimed rber with my actions so that a cop could know that nobody was framed n1 and that n2 i rb'd kelsier

it's quite straight forward
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:47 GMT
#2955
and hey look mafia almost definitely shot me so my actions were nothing but good
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:48 GMT
#2956
which debunks palmars argument entirely because if mafia thought i was poisoner instead of medic saved they would have shot me last night, the real truth is they don't know wtf i am or whether there is a medic or whether i was medic saved on top of being a poisoner
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:50 GMT
#2957
On October 14 2014 01:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Also poisoner can hit mafia, it isn't anti town balance.


town almost always has mafia roles + 1, with another anti town faction/player in the mix they most definitely have 3+
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:53 GMT
#2961
On October 14 2014 01:53 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
which debunks palmars argument entirely because if mafia thought i was poisoner instead of medic saved they would have shot me last night, the real truth is they don't know wtf i am or whether there is a medic or whether i was medic saved on top of being a poisoner

No, your story still just reminds me of how likely right he is.

Why did you know so fast that "medic saved you"?

I think you knew you had been shot


because i was trying to fake a vet claim and i didn't think a medic would save anyone else
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:54 GMT
#2962
On October 14 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:53 Alakaslam wrote:
On October 14 2014 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
which debunks palmars argument entirely because if mafia thought i was poisoner instead of medic saved they would have shot me last night, the real truth is they don't know wtf i am or whether there is a medic or whether i was medic saved on top of being a poisoner

No, your story still just reminds me of how likely right he is.

Why did you know so fast that "medic saved you"?

I think you knew you had been shot


because i was trying to fake a vet claim and i didn't think a medic would save anyone else


i've tried to claim as many roles as possible this game if you haven't noticed
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:55 GMT
#2964
On October 14 2014 01:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Again HF you messed up

What kind of town has a scumread on kelsier and yet omguses palmar instead


me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 16:59 GMT
#2965
On October 14 2014 01:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Again HF you messed up

What kind of town has a scumread on kelsier and yet omguses palmar instead


Also i think palmar is mafia and kelsier poisoner. It's not a omgus it's a omg you can't suck this bad as town and want a medic to claim when you don't even want to lynch the poisoner who you think is me today even though your vote is on me. His only mafia read is damd and damd was pushed by mafia d1 onwards
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 13 2014 17:13 GMT
#2968
He quite clearly wouldn't be pushing me as poisoner if he was
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