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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 13:32 GMT
#580
On October 07 2014 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 14:20 Holyflare wrote:
OO is probably the best lynch today purely because he can't be fucked to play as mafia from what he said when we were mafia together, not to mention that his reads were so back to front



this is also still relevant

Which game was this?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 13:37 GMT
#581
nvm i think i found it. normal ass normal?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 13:48 GMT
#582
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:23 GMT
#622
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:26 GMT
#626
On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.


so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it

Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for

If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum
Else, Town

That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:28 GMT
#628
On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO

OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it
On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job!




Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:36 GMT
#633
On October 08 2014 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it.


totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though.

u srs..

On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4


So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward.


so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it

Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for

If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum
Else, Town

That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF?


He came up with the idea that being on an rng wagon would be a very convenient place to hide because then people are just following a rng post and they don't give any information, that IS scummy and is the correct thing to point out. Then, when people who he is scum reading start to interact more and flesh out things he drops that scum read because it goes against what he was originally saying. He continues to scum read BH because he hasn't played with BH and what BH does is terrible=scummy, hearing a million people say it is in fact null moved him to seriously reconsider his stance on BH from scummy to null. His read on oats was before most people even said anything about oats and gave oats room to express more things and in fact showed better reading comprehension than me/batsnacks etc etc. The only weird thing is the OO thing and I'd much rather he explained himself out fully on this instead because I envisage that another skydragon event will occur.

Just because you disagree with his thought process does not mean that it is quite evidently there.


On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:

Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.



That's not a developed read.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:37 GMT
#636
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:40 GMT
#640
@liancourt:

can we get an updated read of
- Grack based on filter content, not his vote history
- Slam in general
- BH's re: push to continue to lynch OO

I'm going to assume you OMGUS Storr.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 16:41 GMT
#641
On October 08 2014 01:38 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game.

yeah i'll probably end up here anyways

##Vote: ObviousOne

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On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO

OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it
On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job!






...?

I'm under no obligation to avoid policy lynches.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 17:22 GMT
#646
You had one job batsnacks.
+ Show Spoiler +
and then HF gave you another one.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 17:25 GMT
#650
On October 08 2014 02:24 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 02:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
You had one job batsnacks.
+ Show Spoiler +
and then HF gave you another one.


Does it make you nervous that I've already figured out you're mafia?

Yeah I havent made enough excuses my bad. brb have to dig a moat around my castle in the sky.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 17:39 GMT
#654
On October 08 2014 02:38 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 02:33 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:27 batsnacks wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:24 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
i literally do not care what you say i am not lynching him today over OO

OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it
On October 06 2014 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
also someone in this game needs to stop me going off on some policy tangent instead of chasing the people i'm actually scum reading, I nominate batsnacks to fulfill this job!






I'm at work

I think Liam is town


why, please explain


New people on this site get free town reads from me

If you want a better explanation I'll be around for serious later


yes i'd like a better reason than policy


It's a good policy

I think our player base would be larger if new people didn't always have to read a small novels' worth criticizing everything they do

That....has nothing to do with why lian is town to you.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 17:44 GMT
#659
I'll just wait until bats is around for real. like...wow
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 19:46 GMT
#686
batsnacks really should be spite lynched. ohwelp /ignore
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 20:09 GMT
#697
On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:
On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:
The Damning Case of liancourt

On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream

plain as can be


Hmm claims in first post


On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.

Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.



i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction.

I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that.

I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum.

I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum


Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum?



This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted"
how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play.

Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats.

On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao

Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-

Wait this is not OMGUS.net


Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless.


Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out.

On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is

oats just over reacting

OO acting strangely i admit

hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF

I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves.


I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners.


On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?

You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?


At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.

Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.

And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.

We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.

The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.

Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.

Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.

I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.

Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.




The question is, who does he think are scummy?

1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town

So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"

And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.

He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play.

On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:


I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.







So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually.
But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking.
Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example?


See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum.

I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.


Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE.

And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum.




So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone.

#LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt




So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now?

Oh and

Vote ObviousOne


What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him?


What do you hope to gain from this question?

I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case.

Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 20:12 GMT
#699
A brief history of RNG D1 Lynches:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 10 2013 06:45 kitaman27 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 18:38 kushm4sta wrote:
The percentage of newb games is really high. So imo that throws off the first day scumlynch statistic.


Newbie games are at 19.4% and non-newbie games are at 21.7%


On September 27 2013 04:27 kitaman27 wrote:

Anti-town players are more frequently getting lynched on day one, but random lynching is still more accurate.


On March 09 2014 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:
The day one lynch percentage is still slightly below random, but not if you exclude newbie games.

On March 11 2014 02:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mafia players are lynched 24.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 25.1% of the time.


As the greatest and loudest proponent of RNG lynching I am ready to use this quote in every game from now on until the end of time.

+ Show Spoiler [BlazingHand gets shit on] +
On March 11 2014 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 02:05 Balla24 wrote:
What's mafia D1 Lynch% in the past 15, 10, 5 games? I think it's pretty freaking high.

Last 20 games:
  • [M][T] Foundation Mafia (still going on) town
  • Newbie Mini Mafia LIII (still going on) town
  • Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini mafia
  • Cultured Mini Mafia mafia
  • Newbie Mini Mafia LII town
  • [M][N] Default Suspicions Mafia mafia
  • I'm a cop you idiot mafia 2 no-lynch, mafia D2
  • [S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot mafia
  • [S] Shadow Mini Mafia mafia
  • GSL Open Mini Mafia IV town
  • Normal Mini Mafia: Episode I mafia
  • [C][M][T] Survivor Series Mafia town
  • TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart town
  • [I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia! town, vengefulshot mafia (kinda counts as mafia)
  • [S] Shadowed Mini Mafia town - mainly due host error
  • [M][N] "SMB" Mini Mafia town
  • TL Mafia LXIV: A Game of Intrigue mafia
  • Really Small Mafia mafia
  • A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia mafia
  • Extractor Trick Mini Mafia town
  • TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die town

[21]II Titanic Mini Mafia town


If you count vengeful shot as mafia "lynch" the percentage is 50%.

On March 11 2014 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So fuck off Blazinghand!




On June 16 2014 23:42 kitaman27 wrote:
The day once lynch percentage is up a full percent, matching the random lynch percentage exactly.


On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Mafia players are lynched 24.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 25.1% of the time.
Mafia players are lynched only 17.3% of the time in newbie games on day one, so excluding these games brings the overall day one lynch percentage up to 25.8%!






On October 07 2014 08:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
A) 3/13=23%
B) 14 players (3/14 = 21.4%, 4/14=28.5%)
C) 3 mafia makes perfect sense given the roles present in this game.

4 players are "anti-town" = 28.5% lynch rate

TL;DR
In this game, RNG D1 lynch rate > Town's D1 lynch rate
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 20:31 GMT
#708
On October 08 2014 05:30 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:07 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:52 liancourt wrote:
On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:
The Damning Case of liancourt

On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream

plain as can be


Hmm claims in first post


On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.

Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people.




i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction.

I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that.

I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum.

I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum


Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum?



This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted"
how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play.

Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats.

On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao

Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-

Wait this is not OMGUS.net


Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless.


Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out.

On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is

oats just over reacting

OO acting strangely i admit

hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF

I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves.


I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners.


On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?

You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?


At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.

Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.

And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.

We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.

The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.

Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.

Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.

I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.

Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.




The question is, who does he think are scummy?

1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town

So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"

And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.

He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play.

On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:


I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.







So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually.
But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking.
Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example?


See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum.

I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.


Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE.

And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum.




So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone.

#LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt




So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now?

Oh and

Vote ObviousOne


What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him?


What do you hope to gain from this question?

I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case.

Lian hasnt actually commented on storr's alignment.


Shall I use my stamp?

You can use as many stamps as you like, tell me why storr is scum or town. Don't tell me storr thinks differently than you do. I guess the inferred read is that Storr is town.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 20:46 GMT
#713
On October 08 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote:
IMO, liancourt, I don't really care about liancourt's null or town reads, just who the scumreads are. if you could focus on, say, who you think is most likely to be scum (Besides OO of course) that would be awesome

wait i want to see his storr read.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 20:47 GMT
#715
yeah what the i dont even balls
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