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On October 10 2014 15:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 11:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
i am entirely too drunk/tired to finish this right now. I stand by damdred>lian. will read kelsier storr and slam (I probably wont read slam, lets be honest here) in the morning and then try to get someone who's not me lynched. Probably damdred. We're still 1000% lynching this guy, this is the 3rd promise of more reads into afking. Also free town read on obi.
On October 11 2014 01:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Because you more than conveniently don't explain anything about like 90% of your reads and you have these 2 scum reads but nothing about them ever changes so reading these other people looks really odd from you when you don't say anything about why they're town over damd/lian being scum. It's really really strange that you have 2 scum reads but wpuld rather arbitrarily call other people town instead of pushing them I'm going through the game and making certain that those two are in fact the scummiest players to me before I go about pushing a lynch on anyone. Does that not make sense? Should I just RNG a new target and push them incessantly instead of reading the game? This post Mod 12, storr is 0 Your whole game is throwing out random town reads that don't make sense and don't line up with any thought process. What really blew it for you was calling me town so conveniently based on those points you listed. I've been saying scum is very likely to bus OO because that's what he asked to do last game he was mafia and cba to play, however as you pointed out, my reason before that was "made up" therefore to you all I've done is randomly defend your scum read, pushed a flipped town and lie about a reason so that people hop on a mafia wagon. All those things are very likely for me to do as mafia. Very very likely. Yet they are super weird for anyone to town read me on. These are pretty much your only elaborated reads in the entire game too, the rest of your never lynch list isn't explained at all. All of these town reads aren't explained. Yojr scum reads aren't explained and haven't changed. And my red check 
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Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia?
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On October 11 2014 05:04 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia? No.
Wonderful of you. You've made no new comment on damd after his perfect towny defence btw. Going to stick to that one read then?
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I read it, i didn't like it at all. Half of the things you scum read him for don't make him scum because i thought similar things. He also PERFECTLY defended everything you said. Literally PERFECTLY. You still scum read after that defence makes it even worse for you. The towniest thing you can do is drop it and find someone new.
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On October 11 2014 05:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Point is obi hasn't made a single good point on hope
he just prodded to see if he could get a wagon going and then just posted a lot of noise and drivel.
He actually has made good points i dunno wtf you are talking about.
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On October 11 2014 05:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:10 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 05:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Point is obi hasn't made a single good point on hope
he just prodded to see if he could get a wagon going and then just posted a lot of noise and drivel.
He actually has made good points i dunno wtf you are talking about. which was good? he asked you to explain a read after you posted "reasons" he didn't step in and stop you and obi fighting. Yeh lots of people , discussion is good yo
That's not the reason he scum read hopeless at all. That's incredibly false of you. Read his filter again.
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On October 11 2014 05:16 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:15 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 05:12 KelsierSC wrote:On October 11 2014 05:10 Holyflare wrote:On October 11 2014 05:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Point is obi hasn't made a single good point on hope
he just prodded to see if he could get a wagon going and then just posted a lot of noise and drivel.
He actually has made good points i dunno wtf you are talking about. which was good? he asked you to explain a read after you posted "reasons" he didn't step in and stop you and obi fighting. Yeh lots of people , discussion is good yo That's not the reason he scum read hopeless at all. That's incredibly false of you. Read his filter again. i read his arguments that is the basis i see, not false at allowed
Oh fuck this noise I'm going to prove you wrong because I've actually read.
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On October 10 2014 00:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
Unimportant. fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday. If you want to change the subject thats fine [] talk about liancourt [] talk about hopeless [] other [insert topic] I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation. liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1. hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire" yet dives on On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk. i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this. On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while. because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference. In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go? Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here" Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia. As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes. I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze.
On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?
right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.
My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now. Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point.
Theres so much more than this too. If you said my reasons are good then by extension obi's are too. I don't thiiink I'd even written anything about hopeless at that point either.
You're scum reading obi further for not explaining his town read on me when he did and it actually makes sense (town reading him when he was under pressure etc) instead of jumping further on me whereas when hopeless exhibits all of these traits with far scummier motives you ignore him because of obi who IS actually explaining
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On October 11 2014 05:32 Blazinghand wrote:
fwiw literally 95%+ of what HF has said today is scummy since he's trying to shut down all kinds of reasonable discourse or alternative wagons by calling people scum for not voting along with him, rather than writing a real case or exploring reads.
Fuck off have i not written a case. I literally just copied everything to condense it too
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Look kelsier and bh and whoever the fuck wants to lynch not hopeless today without even discussing him one iota at all. I literally don't care. Hopeless is 100% dying today no matter what you say about anyone else, I've talked about him all day, I've raised points none of you have even talked about in favour of your own shitty wagons and i will not budge from this one at all. No matter what.
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On October 11 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Half of your case is "redcheck" nonsense, can you blame BH for being semi-illiterate?
Absolutely 0 of my case is this red check nonsense. Please show where i said that.
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If anyone wants to lynch not hopeless you have to absolutely prove to me why he is not mafia. I don't want to hear something like "because of obi".
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On October 11 2014 05:53 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone wants to lynch not hopeless you have to absolutely prove to me why he is not mafia. I don't want to hear something like "because of obi". what about "because of liam"
Potentially feasible but I'd rather you did something else
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On October 11 2014 06:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
Grack what else do you have about me being scum that I can debunk sooner rather than later?
Explain all of your never lynch list
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No but I'm the main person pushing your lynch and in your never lynch list.
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On October 11 2014 06:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:33 Holyflare wrote:On October 10 2014 00:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:52 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:31 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
Unimportant. fantastic coming from the person who got bored and wanted to talk about something yesterday. If you want to change the subject thats fine [] talk about liancourt [] talk about hopeless [] other [insert topic] I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. then lets talk about hopeless..... i mean your around, your responding, help drive the conversation. liancourt, avoided talking about hopeless day 1. hopeless thought on Iian day 1, "Would #lynchwithfire" yet dives on On October 08 2014 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like everyone to bear in mind that I've presented a reason to lynch OO that is imo valid entirely independent of the fact that I RNGed him. Yes, I did RNG him so I was going to write a case on him anyways, but bear in mind that that doesn't change the facts, and the facts are: OO isn't playing this game. yeah i'll probably end up here anyways ##Vote: ObviousOne at this point OO was an afk person that sure was "scummy" yet afk. i'd also say hopeless doesn't really add anything to the case on Iian, more so just agrees with my reasoning and "bad list post" yet has far more posts directed to Iian, questioning him, and calling him scum yet we come to this. On October 09 2014 11:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 09 2014 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hope why did you end up voting OO? You originally liked his tone and you were complaining about it being a policy lynch for a while. because RNGesus told me to. No wait that was Blazinghand. same difference. In all seriousness, it seemed inevitable and I wasnt interested in pushing damdred or lian over OO, especially since OO came in long enough to give us something and never return. I was willing to switch around up until I asked where the hell did he go? Says he "wasn't interested" I think this is a contradiction to his actions, he was very interested in pushing liam, and his reason to vote OO was just "ill end up here" Alternatively we can lynch him for playing like mafia. As in the majority of his filter is filler and he's basically avoided giving his opinion on almost anything at all, IE he's avoiding stepping on any toes. I get that you're trying to analyze his actions, but if he doesn't take any actions at all there's not going to be a whole lot to analyze. On October 10 2014 01:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 10 2014 00:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
that's not contradictory thats called being lazy. Would you have felt better if I afk'd my vote on Lian?
right now yes, still reading lian scum. haven't reread anything yet, at work. I'll try to give updated thoughts this evening.
My never-lynch list is HF BH grack palmar bats. aside from that I dont have much right now. Cool, a bunch of unexplained obvious townreads and a scumread that he never bothered to follow up on or pressure at any point. Theres so much more than this too. If you said my reasons are good then by extension obi's are too. I don't thiiink I'd even written anything about hopeless at that point either. You're scum reading obi further for not explaining his town read on me when he did and it actually makes sense (town reading him when he was under pressure etc) instead of jumping further on me whereas when hopeless exhibits all of these traits with far scummier motives you ignore him because of obi who IS actually explaining I don't think these are very good reasons for scum reading Hopeless. These posts are a much more apt description of Palmar's play really.
This isn't the reasons I'm giving for hopeless this is that obi did give reasons but kelsier is saying he isn't.
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I didn't even ask to lead town i said i was away for these next few days but I'm still posting stuff about hopeless regardless of this red check stuff which absolutely nobody has commented on. All YOU do is return to push this stupid obi shit and qq about me pushing hopeless when you haven't even commented on it at all.
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This hopeless never lynch reasons are SUPER superficial btw
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On October 11 2014 07:31 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 07:27 Holyflare wrote:
This hopeless never lynch reasons are SUPER superficial btw can you explain more
Have you read it...?
"bh playing game"
"bat traps"
"palmar being a twat"
"grack un cc'd vig"
Really silly reads that show no thought of the game and pick up really random things to give a necer lynch town read. Ridiculous. Then he all out wants to lynch damd despite nobody agreeing and then falls flat when that's over with.
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On October 11 2014 06:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
No but I'm the main person pushing your lynch and in your never lynch list. But I did explain why you're town. And it was "Magic" I gave a real answer that had reasons and wasnt retarded and everything. But noooo hopeless is full of unexplained bullshit and excuses. Battraps legit BH - Actually playing the game, grack - un cc'd vig claim palmar - least strong read but: Vet Status+ Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2014 23:58 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2014 23:14 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2014 09:30 StorrZerg wrote:
ill make a case on someone tonight or tomorrow morning i swear its going to be good
#prepthebadwagons Not to mention, another scumread of his is probably town. The way this is worded makes it quite likely StorrZerg is town. The assertiveness that his yet-nonexistent case is something to be excited about is far more likely to be from a townie than from mafia. So there's that. I have only ever watched storrzerg on Mafia Allstars and I think in general he likes to kind of sit back and wait D1 as both alignments. Also Storrzerg seems confident and assertive as both mafia and town so not sure if I like this as a reason to call storr town. I think he is, just not sure I believe this read. ------- reasoning --------> you Well the reason you give for storr being town, isn't actually a good reason because he plays that way as mafia and town. why is that bad reasoning? Because you're thinking what and I'm thinking how. But it's ok, I don't particularly care whether you believe me or not unless Storr is in some danger of being lynched. + Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:49 Palmar wrote:On October 08 2014 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar I want you to read that HF/me/Obi exchange and actually play the game. If Marv were here would you tell him he should be able to town read you by now? No you would not. To be perfectly fair, a) he would be able to. b) even if he wouldn't admit it, I'd still shove it down his throat. I sorta know how he reads me so well, and I know I'm basically being the stereotype of that this game.
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