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On September 28 2014 05:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Damdred confirms himself in first post, obvious jester. I saw that and thought the same thing - but then I thought maybe he's mafia doing it to try and LOOK like Jester. Then I decided what a horrible waste of thought this was and decided to avoid this line of thinking. For my part, I'm just going to TRY and play this like a typical D1 LYLO situation. You know, keep it simple. | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:40 Damdred wrote: I am town though, and will do my best to solve this game. Fecals first thing is trying to find the Jester, I don't like that about him. All the townies have to find both the Jester AND the mafia so that they can all vote for the mafia. Why don't you like someone trying to find the Jester? | ||
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On September 28 2014 05:42 Damdred wrote: Shouldn't be someones first post especially trying to link jester to someone making the first post. Generally that person always talks about being confirmed town for being first in the thread. I mean, that may be your perception, but none of that means that Fecal was "trying to find the Jester". I saw him make an observation (one I actually agreed with when I read it at first) and draw a conclusion from it. Why does that mean that he's "trying to link jester to someone"? | ||
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Anyway, I guess I just don't understand what you find scummy. I don't get why he shouldn't be looking for the Jester if that's what's scummy, and I noticed the same thing that he did about your post if his reasoning is what you find scummy. Just in general I disagree with you Damdred. About whatever it is you're saying. | ||
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Good shit. Be back in a bit. | ||
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You get to explain what about this post makes you certain that I'm mafia. Don't fuck this up. | ||
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Dam - OV VE - OV Fecal - Boxer CR - Boxer So that's everyone. We have 1 confirmed anti-town between GB/Dam/VE and we have 1 confirmed antitown between Fecal/CR. I want to hear GB explain his reads, because right now I've got HIM and Fecal as the antitown. He came into the thread casting suspicion on me immediately, which frankly only someone with a deathwish does. Further he's gone on to non-explain his reads as if he's trying to get lynched. His reasoning for being so certain that I'm mafia that he "can't wait to see what I claim" is that my posts are "fluff". But if you look at my posts, I'm one of the first people in here questioning peoples' motives and reasonings, and frankly that he calls it fluff indicates that he's literally trying to die. I'd like everyone's opinion on whether he's more likely the mafia or the jester, but there's literally no way GB is town based on what I'm seeing so far. He's not doing anything but making unsubstantiated reads and claims he's "trying to figure out the game". From where I'm sitting nothing could be further from the truth. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:05 GlowingBear wrote: Lol... You were extremely obvious with your posts. It was pure fluff. And fecal was clearly joking around looking like a jester. The. I first thought he was mafia trying to look like a jester so he wouldn't get lynched, that's why I pointed him as mafia. Then I realised it was a poor play to do as mafia who would have better chance of not being lynched claiming being town. And you clearly missed that. What are you talking about I clearly missed that? And why is he clearly joking why could he not be the Jester? You have too much information man, you're not town. Are you mafia or the Jester? I think Maf because I think FF is Jester. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:14 GlowingBear wrote: This post is "I thought this, I thought that, and concluded nothing but the obvious" Obvious. Obvious. THEN you started having interactions with damdred. But you just tried to lookin contributive while just stating the obvious. The first post was a joke, there's no such thing as a "TYPICAL D1 LYLO SCENARIO". Clearly you missed the joke, but Mafia games are like, literally always played over more than one day. It was a very OBVIOUS joke that OH SHIT THAT YOU COMPLETELY MISSED! THAT MUST MAKE YOU MAFIA RIGHT?! The second post is just me emphasizing what I feel to be the key ingredient in this setup. Not finding mafia, but convincing your fellow townies that your'e town. Something that if you're town right now you are NOT doing...so obviously it's NOT THAT OBVIOUS TO YOU GLOWINGBEAR. And the OBVIOUS thing in the third post was obviously not obvious to Damdred because I had to ask him that fucking question. HE didn't think that it was OBVIOUS that townies needed to look for the Jester too, so what's the problem here? It was a question DIRECTED to Damdred, so why are you even saying "PSH OBVIOUS FLUFF IS FLUFF" WHEN IT WAS A DIRECT QUESTION TO DAMDRED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!!?!? I'm really REALLY close to voting for GlowingBear out of rage, someone convince me he's either Jester or Town or I'm gonna do it. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:14 Chairman Ray wrote: VE, FF is probably town since he's the only one claiming boxer atm. Then what are you? We have three Oil and Vinegar claims and a Boxer claim. That leaves exactly 1 antitown in the OV claims and whatever you are. What are you CR? | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me how someone convinces other one he is town. Give me the first thing that crosses your mind. By coming into the thread and looking for mafia. By questioning others motivations and scrutinizing their actions. EVERYTHING I've been doing, in short. NOTHING you've been doing. | ||
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So unless someone is trolling we have 4 OV claims and 1 Boxer claim, making FF confirmed town this game. If you're the REAL Boxer, you need to stand up and say something now or you'll be instantly lynched later in the day if you try and claim. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:29 GlowingBear wrote: So proving someone is town is trying to find mafia. Yet you've said town main concern was to look town, not hunting mafia. I'm confused. By the way, I've been trying to do that more than you. As I said, all you're doing is fluff and I'm actually thing to figure th game out. You haven't though, I've literally demolished your case against me, it was nothing but you saying "Oh VE is mafia" and saying "fluff" when my posts aren't fluff. You're not trying to figure out anything, you're just posting and being active. Which is something, but not exonerating in this game I'm afraid. Again, I'm going to ask you why "everything I'm doing is fluff" when I'm very obviously trying to figure out who is mafia. You think you've got it all figured out, so what are you even doing? | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:32 Chairman Ray wrote: Unless I missed something, your claim came 2 posts after mine. But regardless, what do you make of what happened? I'm definitely OV. Not fake claiming this time. GB is acting anti-town and now there's 1 more between the OV's. Right now I'm looking at you because you tried to fake-claim Boxer. Why did you try and fake-claim Boxer? | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:36 Chairman Ray wrote: My plan was to claim the opposite role if I rolled town. If I claimed boxer and there was only one other boxer claim, then we have a confirmed town. FF is confirmed town now. Okay, so what was your plan if you rolled Boxer? Because if you claim OV then there are two other OV's out there and NO one is confirmed because one of the anti-town claimed your role, and presumably the other one claims OV. Like....I'm not buying this as a "premeditated plan" at all. | ||
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On September 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote: And his claim was after FF's, so, harder to believe it was premeditated... Well, his claim is that he was planning on claiming the opposite town role before the game started or whatever, so order of claims doesn't really matter in this situation. | ||
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On September 28 2014 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote: OK I understand why I'm an idiot now. I think CR is jester. He's trying to wiggle out of his counterclaim a little too obviously I think. I mean if he said "I planned to claim boxer only if I rolled OV/VT" I would believe him but "I planned to claim the opposite town role" sounds hastily typed out in a panic. I still think CR is non-town but I think he is jester. I don't understand what makes him the Jester over mafia in this case. For one, if he's trying to get lynched, then why not stick with the claim and then just afk? Backing out of it seems more like someone who's afraid they might get lynched to me than someone who's actively trying to get lynched as a part of their wincon. | ||
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That leaves him as either townie or Jester, and as I said, I don't know that I believe he does that as Jester. It's possible, I'm just skeptical. | ||
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On September 28 2014 10:48 Fecalfeast wrote: My post is WIFOM for certain but I am saying: as far as i can tell, CR is good enough to know what he is typing out when he types it out. Typing "I planned to claim boxer if I rolled VT" eliminates posts like: So, assuming CR understand the words he is typing, he intentionally left ambiguous language in his post then LEFT THE THREAD so we can stew on it. Jester. Yeah I'm not discounting the possibility. What do you think about GlowingBear? Like, he said he was so confused earlier...why? What's confusing? There are five players and 5 claims. 2 people are lying. This is the game we signed up for. There's literally nothing confusing about what has happened so far. | ||
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On September 28 2014 10:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Exactly. I honestly was chalking it up to english as a second language and being drunk but he said he is just going to get drunk now so I think he is just not reading the thread properly. I think GB is scummier than everyone but CR. Well you and me both - but frankly I don't think there's much scummy in what CR is doing. Suboptimal for town sure, antitown flavored maybe, but SCUMMY? Meeehhhh...not with GB in the game. In my opinion anyway. | ||
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 Thx for reminding me, I hope he answers you when he gets back LOL | ||
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On September 28 2014 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: VE you're assuming CR's plan is legit and you're again working with the hypothesis where he claimed before FF. why are you so sure his plan is legit? I thought I had the game close to be figured out, but CR's unclaim just messed everything up. I'm scum for getting things confused? Lol VE. You can do better than that, regardless alignments I'm not assuming his "plan" is legit, in fact I'm one of the first who doesn't buy his explanation. I gave explicit reasoning as to why I think he's not mafia doing what he's doing, so that leaves me with town or Jester and I think town is more likely. I'm not assuming his plan is legit, and I STILL don't give a shit who claimed first. I never said you're scum for getting things confused. I'm saying it didn't take much for you to "figure out" the game in the first place. So why when CLARITY is brought to the thread in the form of CR UNCLAIMING Boxer and making FF CONFIRMED TOWN, why are you confused then? It doesn't make any sense from the standpoint of a townie processing new information and making new conclusions. It makes sense from a perspective of a mafia who's just saying shit to try and appear active. So I think you're mafia. I never said anything about you being mafia "because you got things confused". Like if you're town you really need to take a step back, realize that I'm town, and try and work with me - because this whole business of you just lol'ing everything I say and calling all of my contributions fluff and you setting up strawmen IS going to get you killed. | ||
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On September 28 2014 19:52 Chairman Ray wrote: VE, can you explain this statement? I wanted to see who claimed what. From my perspective, I'm going to come from the group that is most claimed (OV/VT) so it doesn't matter when I claim. Besides me, at least one and probably 2 others were going to claim OV, I didn't feel the need to claim immediately. | ||
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##Vote: GlowingBear That's one. I need the other two townies onboard. | ||
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On September 28 2014 19:41 Chairman Ray wrote: If you think what I did was suboptimal for town, then tell me one harm that it did. It put doubt in others' minds about YOUR alignment, for one. If you're town then that's suboptimal. I don't care. I literally was defending you from Fecal anyway. | ||
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On September 29 2014 00:30 Damdred wrote: As much as it pains me I'm not the jester just oil and vinegar Why would it pain you that you're not the jester? | ||
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On September 29 2014 01:10 GlowingBear wrote: LOL I challenge you to say what is scummy in me. I'm tired of people looking at my clear town play and say I'm scum. Damdred, you have to tell me what am I doing that looks so scum. VE if you intentionally dropped your vote on me you're clearly not caring for the lynch. We have a lot of time to decide who is who, and you were rushing things. If you didn't vote on the vote thread intentionally, you could be trying to get reaction, which I must say that felt townie. Did you really try to vote me? You tell me I'm rushing things when you're coming into the thread immediately upon starting saying "Game solved, vote VE and win GG"? Like, really? | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:23 Chairman Ray wrote: That's the thing I don't understand. You feel that order of claims is not important, but you also intentionally withheld your claim. That's a contradiction. It's not - I didn't want to see the claims to get their order, I wanted to see under what circumstances people claimed and how people reacted to the claims, and finally how people reacted to MY claim. It has nothing to do with the order, and it's not a contradiction. | ||
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On September 29 2014 03:51 Fecalfeast wrote: GB has to be jester, right? He's acting like he's trying one minute then makes posts like this the next... GB how is CR playing jester at all effectively? I could maybe see this too. I said earlier that he's playing like he has a deathwish. The thing is, he could be doing this as mafia to try and LOOK like the Jester. I feel like the Jester is just more likely to lurk than come and make shitty posts. | ||
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On September 29 2014 13:55 Chairman Ray wrote: If GB was Jester, he would be playing it too obviously. GB had an anti-town read on FF, me, and VE. He jumped straight to conclusions and says the game is almost solved, without making cases on us or trying to convince others. This says he wants to jump on people without getting them lynched. GB also plays a bit weirdly, like not to his previous town-meta or scum-meta, and also drunk posting. This says he's trying to make us take him less seriously. Less likely for us to lynch into the people he ever reads. However with someone of GB's skill level, this doesn't seem likely. I would imagine that jester would just play to their scum meta; subtle enough for people not to think it is forced, and obvious enough that people would scumread him. I don't see a jester playing jester this hard. I think it's more likely that GB is the mafia. My read on him right now is about 50% mafia, 30% jester, 20% town. This is where I'm at, but more like 60% M, 20% J, 10% T. Like, I just don't think a Jester tries this hard to get lynched. Look at how GB's primary concern is getting a lynch on someone that's not himself - it's just really not good play if he's a Jester. Or really GOOD play, depending on your perspective, I mean if he's a Jester then he's doing a decent job of convincing ME that he's not, and to lynch him. | ||
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I stand by "Fuck all of you". | ||
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On September 30 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Fuck all of you. | ||
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On September 30 2014 05:17 GlowingBear wrote: I was actually expecting to be lynched right after I voted you. Blame town. Unvoting was claiming Jester. You were never ever getting lynched if you unvoted me. | ||
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