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JAT is the person that I would first like to look at and the person that right now I believe most likely to be mafia. He has a few mafia traits in a good many of his posts, he discredits people very early on:
On September 25 2014 17:24 justanothertownie wrote:I don't like SkyDragon. Constantly claiming he is new BUT has played before. And then he posts things like this: Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 08:24 SkyDragon wrote:
I know I'm new around here but what's up with the vote train on Holyflare? If that isn't considered suspicious as fuck, I don't know what is. Would it not be easier to just let the Seer do his/her job instead of lynching random villag.. I mean, er, "Vanillagers"? I don't know how people play on the site you are from but this post is the epitome of awful. Since you claim to actually have experience with this kind of setup please enlighten me how the seer of all people is supposed to do his job day fucking 1. How can he lead us to a scumlynch better than anyone else if all he has at this point is a green check? How is he supposed to do that without claiming anyways? Like what? Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 09:42 SkyDragon wrote:On September 25 2014 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On September 25 2014 09:27 SkyDragon wrote:
Actually, all three of them claimed to be Town from the off, and HF decided to throw some names out as well (When barely anyone had posted and probably to deflect suspicion from himself). Just thinking out loud. Riddle me this good sir. What suspicion did I need to deflect and how would I go about doing that with 3 names of people that hadn't even spoken yet? In my experience, bad guys have stated names right at the very start to divert peoples attention elsewhere. I'm not saying that you're bad, I'm just saying that I'm cautious of anyone who throws names around during the early part of the game.  What should we do instead of throwing names around? Just chill and do nothing? So again - this guy has played this game already. But he is pretending to know nothing at all about it. What gives?
Instead of finding out exactly what was meant by the above comments and trying to work with someone from the very start instead he attacks the position the person is coming from and effectively negates any impact that person can have. This is a sign of mafia because he's not trying to understand but to discredit the person involved in the conversation.
On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 17:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 17:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2014 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 08:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 25 2014 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 08:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF confirmed literate. Sadly that's not enough for me to lynch Haru Hi! I have a feeling that there is a mafia between you and holyflare. Why not both? Why do you think this? I find their buddying style unnatural. Gonna do some quotations to illustrate what I said, brb Since when is buddying early day1 a thing mafia teammates do? On September 25 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
LOL you think I'd go to that much effort to search through a quote to lynchy team mate???? Yes. Since when that is strictly not possible for mafia? Did I say that? But you are threating it like a scumtell and it for sure isn't.
On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 17:48 GlowingBear wrote:
My dribk senses says JAT is possibly mafia But hey, feel free to elaborate on that.
More discrediting and not trying to understand just attacking for no reason.
On September 25 2014 17:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno i think gb's a bit townier since his onslaught of cases even if they are misplaced. Maybe. Maybe not.
On September 26 2014 03:11 justanothertownie wrote:
I still dislike Sky and I think that should be pretty obvious. It's way too early for an opinion on Palmar.
On September 26 2014 05:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 05:04 SkyDragon wrote:
I'm not going to argue about this any further.
Let's move on.. Sounds good. You could provide some reads instead.
On September 26 2014 15:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Sky at least puts in a good amount of effort now but if you read his posts there are so many contradictions/things that don't make sense. Still don't like him.
On September 26 2014 15:36 justanothertownie wrote:
GB seems afraid/really defensive - might be scum. Reminds me of the scum qt from Fanfic where he was really really afraid I would vig him.
I will elaborate on those reads when I have time in a few hours. Would probably still lynch Sky.
On September 26 2014 20:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, I also don't get townvibes from Hopeless filter. I guess if GB is town Hopeless looks quite shady but I really have doubts about that.
This is mostly from his second and first pages of filter. He tells people to give reads, but never gives any reads himself besides "this person might be scum" or that he doesn't like me because of apparent contradictions that he does not even point out at the time. He says that he pushed me d1, but look at the filter he soft pushed at best. This seems to me like a way mafia would try to push a mislynch so that a townie would take it up and run with it. The way he talks about everyone else he interacts with is mostly painting them in a scummy light.
Also I found the mafia database and compared some of JATs games, and I did find him to be pointed in his questions and his driving discussion if you look at him in some of his more recent games like Fanfiction and The Guilty Mafia, he really drove discussion and pushed people he thought were scummy. In the fanfic, he really thought Damdred was scummy after a small slip and he did not let up on him he hard pushed him and the thread to vote for him or tried to always bring it up. He is not doing this here. At best, he is just offhandedly soft pushing lynches right now, "oh I do not like this guy" "oh you might be scummy".
Now if you compare it to heavy weight championship, you see the same sort of play, JAT is mafia. And if you look at his later filter, it is more of the same and mirrors heavy weight very well and with my other conclusions.
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On September 30 2014 08:20 Superbia wrote:Posted 3 1/2 hours before EoD2:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 06:32 SkyDragon wrote:
Being lynched will actually be a relief, to be honest. I'm actually going to bed now because I have no faith in the Town so don't care which way it goes.
If I've learned anything from this game, it's that I know exactly whose readings to ignore in the future (Provided they end the game as confirmed Town). If they're Mafia, I'll be commending them for the stress they put me through. Posted at the beginning of d3: Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 22:40 SkyDragon wrote:
HF, seriously - Stfu. Most of you don't have any clue what the hell you're doing, so just stfu. Especially those morons that lynched Palmar since he was the most Town out of all of us. Hell, I refused to change my vote to him to save myself so that says everything. Either Mafia is driving vote trains to take out those who are active and analysing stuff correctly or Town should all be lynched because nothing is working as it is.
When I get home, I'm going to analyse some things. Keep in mind that the Palmar train didn't take off until 1 hour before EoD2. You want to explain this, sky?
Sure, mate. It's called "Try and read everything between those two posts next time instead of selectively quoting comments and trying to get people to explain them".
On September 29 2014 05:41 batsnacks wrote:
SkyDragon if you vote Palmar I'll unvote you. If you want to get lynched, just keep complaining and doing nothing.
##unvote
##vote: SkyDragon
On September 29 2014 05:44 SkyDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 05:33 batsnacks wrote:
SkyDragon ffs vote someone you are making yourself a really easy mislynch if you're town. Last time I voted, everyone went crazy and called me scummy over it so you'll have to forgive me if I'm a little more cautious this time. Also, it gives me a chance to read everyone's posts first before voting according to my gut instinct. Which I have done. Voted for JAT.
On September 29 2014 05:44 batsnacks wrote:
I don't want to lynch JAT. We need to compromise. Vote Palmar.
On September 29 2014 05:47 SkyDragon wrote:
I don't care if anyone votes to lynch me and I won't be influenced in such a way. I've said what I needed to say earlier and Palmar is lower on my list of suspects. Still shady but lower. I'm sticking by my original list of 4 that I posted before. I could be wrong but they are the ones who look scummy to me.
On September 29 2014 05:49 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2014 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:47 batsnacks wrote:On September 29 2014 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:37 Palmar wrote:On September 29 2014 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:34 Palmar wrote:On September 29 2014 05:30 justanothertownie wrote:On September 29 2014 05:28 Palmar wrote:On September 29 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:
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WIFOM. That's not even an argument. Everything, literally everything, in mafia is wifom. The goal of the game is to recognize which glass is more likely to be poisoned. No shit. But you not being on the Sky wagon does not prove your alignment in any possible case. What about this then. If I'm mafia and you're town, where's the benefit in me tanking my towncred with you by doing exactly what I'm doing? herp derp I have no idea. The simple explanation, if you're town, is that I'm town too, not sure what I'm doing but pretty sure this is a bad lynch, throwing a random one out there. See? And that's the problem. You are throwing a RANDOM out there. That's ridiculous at this point in the game. Give him some space at least he voted. If me and skydragon vote Palmar will you? 3 is enough to lynch. Why would I vote with my biggest scumread?! Because I am forcing him to vote who I want. He doesn't have a say in who he votes if he wants to live.
As you can see, Bats was trying to get me to vote Palmar to save myself (I had 6 lynch votes or something at the time). I said no.
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With 6 lynch votes on me? No. In all honesty, I really didn't care. Went to bed and lost no sleep over it. Was quite surprised when I woke up and I was still alive. I wanted to say far worse things to Town but managed to contain myself because I was damn annoyed that you guys lynched Palmar and are allowing Mafia to steer everything in this way.
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On September 30 2014 08:56 StorrZerg wrote:
So sky where have you played?
Can you please answer this.
I can't say. Mods don't want me to so I'll just leave it there.
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On September 30 2014 09:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 08:53 SkyDragon wrote:
With 6 lynch votes on me? No. In all honesty, I really didn't care. Went to bed and lost no sleep over it. Was quite surprised when I woke up and I was still alive. I wanted to say far worse things to Town but managed to contain myself because I was damn annoyed that you guys lynched Palmar and are allowing Mafia to steer everything in this way. Yet you make no attempt to determine who is steering it "this way" and never analyse any of these miraculous switches off of you at deadline. You're also angry that people switched to palmar but why are you angry when the alternative is you who is "town" anyway??
Are you even reading anything properly? I was annoyed that I kept being put up for lynch and just wanted it over and done with. Hell, I didn't vote Palmar when Bats asked me to to possibly steer the lynch vote to someone else. How much more evidence do you need that I really didn't care? I just wanted to see your reaction when you see that I'm not Mafia and the excuses that will pour out of you guys when you realize that your readings just aren't any good.
Instead, you guys go and lynch one guy that had a high chance of being Town. That lynch was all on every single person that led the vote train and nothing to do with me.
Of course, the more I said that Palmar is probably good, the more scummier he looked to some of you because you already had this presupposed notion that I'm bad so I must be defending a bad guy. Palmar was also defending me to a large degree so what now? He's Town but I'm Mafia? How does that make sense?
All Town have tunnel-vision on me so you aren't even spending much time trying to find the real Mafia. I'm constantly defending myself so I can't spend much time analyzing anything either considering that I'm going to University AND working full-time.
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Just a waste of time and energy on all sides.
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I'm not lying. I was asked not to when I said that I would.
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On September 30 2014 09:09 Holyflare wrote:
You've quite clearly already stated what site you're from in this game (sk) and mods would never interfere like that
Just realized that there's a bit of a miscommunication. When I said that the Mods don't want me to, I'm talking about the Mods on the site I frequent.
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Storr, decided to become less aggressive now since everyone turned on you earlier?
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After all, you want to win the game, don't you? Don't want to die at this stage because people thought you were saying shady stuff and decided to lynch you.
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I've already told you what I was told. If you want to try and find it yourself with the available information, be my guest but I won't discuss it any further. After all, we're playing a game (Well, barely.. Hopefully I won't decide to quit again for the 3rd time) and how I played elsewhere has no relevance to how I'm playing here, trying to find Mafia or this game.
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On September 30 2014 16:05 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2014 08:35 SkyDragon wrote:JAT is the person that I would first like to look at and the person that right now I believe most likely to be mafia. He has a few mafia traits in a good many of his posts, he discredits people very early on: On September 25 2014 17:24 justanothertownie wrote:I don't like SkyDragon. Constantly claiming he is new BUT has played before. And then he posts things like this: On September 25 2014 08:24 SkyDragon wrote:
I know I'm new around here but what's up with the vote train on Holyflare? If that isn't considered suspicious as fuck, I don't know what is. Would it not be easier to just let the Seer do his/her job instead of lynching random villag.. I mean, er, "Vanillagers"? I don't know how people play on the site you are from but this post is the epitome of awful. Since you claim to actually have experience with this kind of setup please enlighten me how the seer of all people is supposed to do his job day fucking 1. How can he lead us to a scumlynch better than anyone else if all he has at this point is a green check? How is he supposed to do that without claiming anyways? Like what? On September 25 2014 09:42 SkyDragon wrote:On September 25 2014 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On September 25 2014 09:27 SkyDragon wrote:
Actually, all three of them claimed to be Town from the off, and HF decided to throw some names out as well (When barely anyone had posted and probably to deflect suspicion from himself). Just thinking out loud. Riddle me this good sir. What suspicion did I need to deflect and how would I go about doing that with 3 names of people that hadn't even spoken yet? In my experience, bad guys have stated names right at the very start to divert peoples attention elsewhere. I'm not saying that you're bad, I'm just saying that I'm cautious of anyone who throws names around during the early part of the game. What should we do instead of throwing names around? Just chill and do nothing? So again - this guy has played this game already. But he is pretending to know nothing at all about it. What gives? Instead of finding out exactly what was meant by the above comments and trying to work with someone from the very start instead he attacks the position the person is coming from and effectively negates any impact that person can have. This is a sign of mafia because he's not trying to understand but to discredit the person involved in the conversation. On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2014 17:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 17:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2014 08:54 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 08:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 25 2014 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 08:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF confirmed literate. Sadly that's not enough for me to lynch Haru Hi! I have a feeling that there is a mafia between you and holyflare. Why not both? Why do you think this? I find their buddying style unnatural. Gonna do some quotations to illustrate what I said, brb Since when is buddying early day1 a thing mafia teammates do? On September 25 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
LOL you think I'd go to that much effort to search through a quote to lynchy team mate???? Yes. Since when that is strictly not possible for mafia? Did I say that? But you are threating it like a scumtell and it for sure isn't. On September 25 2014 17:50 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2014 17:48 GlowingBear wrote:
My dribk senses says JAT is possibly mafia But hey, feel free to elaborate on that. More discrediting and not trying to understand just attacking for no reason. On September 25 2014 17:59 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2014 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno i think gb's a bit townier since his onslaught of cases even if they are misplaced. Maybe. Maybe not. On September 26 2014 03:11 justanothertownie wrote:
I still dislike Sky and I think that should be pretty obvious. It's way too early for an opinion on Palmar. On September 26 2014 05:21 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 05:04 SkyDragon wrote:
I'm not going to argue about this any further.
Let's move on.. Sounds good. You could provide some reads instead. On September 26 2014 15:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Sky at least puts in a good amount of effort now but if you read his posts there are so many contradictions/things that don't make sense. Still don't like him. On September 26 2014 15:36 justanothertownie wrote:
GB seems afraid/really defensive - might be scum. Reminds me of the scum qt from Fanfic where he was really really afraid I would vig him.
I will elaborate on those reads when I have time in a few hours. Would probably still lynch Sky. On September 26 2014 20:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, I also don't get townvibes from Hopeless filter. I guess if GB is town Hopeless looks quite shady but I really have doubts about that. This is mostly from his second and first pages of filter. He tells people to give reads, but never gives any reads himself besides "this person might be scum" or that he doesn't like me because of apparent contradictions that he does not even point out at the time. He says that he pushed me d1, but look at the filter he soft pushed at best. This seems to me like a way mafia would try to push a mislynch so that a townie would take it up and run with it. The way he talks about everyone else he interacts with is mostly painting them in a scummy light. Also I found the mafia database and compared some of JATs games, and I did find him to be pointed in his questions and his driving discussion if you look at him in some of his more recent games like Fanfiction and The Guilty Mafia, he really drove discussion and pushed people he thought were scummy. In the fanfic, he really thought Damdred was scummy after a small slip and he did not let up on him he hard pushed him and the thread to vote for him or tried to always bring it up. He is not doing this here. At best, he is just offhandedly soft pushing lynches right now, "oh I do not like this guy" "oh you might be scummy". Now if you compare it to heavy weight championship, you see the same sort of play, JAT is mafia. And if you look at his later filter, it is more of the same and mirrors heavy weight very well and with my other conclusions. Bullshit. First Sky complains about how I am attacking people all the time, later he complains how I am not pushing people. It makes no fucking sense. Also Storr brought up a very good point earlier - this post looks a lot like he has been coached by his teammates. Early in the game he seemed totally clueless about everything and now he acts like he not only knows how to use the database but also my meta. Sure, buddy - if people like marv could not identify my scumplay in heavyweight you can surely see the difference to my townplay.
And again, you side-track the issue with more whining and complaining. I've said this for a while now that I'd be surprised if you're not Mafia along with Storr (His complete attitude reversal when he was called out yesterday is just so damn scummy to me).
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This will probably be the last time I say this but I would ask Town not to vote for me. Pretty much everyone has either voted to lynch me or called me Mafia up to this point. Either I'm part of a dysfunctional Mafia team or I'm not Mafia, which is what I've said about100 times now.
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I really want to see all your reactions. This is gonna be funny because you Townies are going to see just how useless you are.
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On October 01 2014 06:20 StorrZerg wrote:
if sky flips town, i think it makes hf look really good.
that be almost 2x now he has "avoided sky to push someone he thought was scum.
incorrectly, but i think it makes his motivations look better.
i think it also makes his palmar switch look very genuine.
That is a stupid analysis. Mafia doesn't care who they lynch as long as it's not one of their own. Nothing will be found out after d3 from my lynching except that Town sucks for lynching 3 Townies in a row. Day 4 will start with 4 Villagers and 3 Mafia. If you're Town, HF and JAT, God help you.
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Guys, just look at what I wrote when making a case for JAT being Scum and the games I pointed out after I'm lynched. Lynch him tomorrow and then go after the useless Obj, Storr and Superbia .
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On October 01 2014 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2014 06:42 SkyDragon wrote:On October 01 2014 06:20 StorrZerg wrote:
if sky flips town, i think it makes hf look really good.
that be almost 2x now he has "avoided sky to push someone he thought was scum.
incorrectly, but i think it makes his motivations look better.
i think it also makes his palmar switch look very genuine. That is a stupid analysis. Mafia doesn't care who they lynch as long as it's not one of their own. Nothing will be found out after d3 from my lynching except that Town sucks for lynching 3 Townies in a row. Day 4 will start with 4 Villagers and 3 Mafia. If you're Town, HF and JAT, God help you. What about me? Is god gonna help me too or...? Or did you not bother to mention me since everyone already knows my alignment.
Killing being Seer makes you 100% Town in my eyes. I may have forgotten to say that earlier.
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Oh look at that, FF appears. As soon as his name is mentioned..
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On October 01 2014 06:48 batsnacks wrote:
FF is mafia. Calling it. I can just imagine him in his shop right now with a PC behind the counter, feverishly hammering on f5, waiting for someone, anyone, to say his name.
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