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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 13:54 GMT
#630
I have no idea how you think me dropping my haru case was awkward when like 5 people have said it was towny. Not to mention haru is still in my list of scummy people. I also think it's pretty weird you've kept the same scum reads all game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 14:04 GMT
#637
On September 26 2014 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Killing's filter is quite awful too.


I only have issue with one of his posts where he lists haru who had done nothing at the time in his town circle. Other than that i agreed with his summary list thing. What don't you like?

Oh and his hopeless thing because fecal said it first but that could just be oversight.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 14:13 GMT
#640
Meh well I'd love for these people to do more things
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 14:25 GMT
#641
Dropped killing down to meh/town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 15:56 GMT
#671
killing is still in my meh/towny pile because I did not like his new post at all and the fact he still has haru and hopeless in a town pile despite them doing absolutely nothing and as I've already pointed out before killings reason for hopeless being town was already stated by his SCUM READ fecal first. So really, he's dropping further and further down the meh/town pile.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 16:00 GMT
#673
Also the last I read of fecal I actually liked him so these people that are calling him scummy are super weird, superbia also called him scum because he didn't get called out....?

In fact most of superbias reads are really superficial and sheeped (the bad kind with no extra thinking) and the fact he further calls fecal scum for reading sky as scum despite having sky as one of his own scum reads IS SUPER FUCKING SCUMMY
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 16:00 GMT
#675
haru just give us some reads not excuses or justifications
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 16:02 GMT
#677
On September 27 2014 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
Also the last I read of fecal I actually liked him so these people that are calling him scummy are super weird, superbia also called him scum because he didn't get called out....?

In fact most of superbias reads are really superficial and sheeped (the bad kind with no extra thinking) and the fact he further calls fecal scum for reading sky as scum despite having sky as one of his own scum reads IS SUPER FUCKING SCUMMY


Not to mention almost the entirety of his reads start to hinge on unflipped associations.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 16:18 GMT
#704
On September 27 2014 00:18 Superbia wrote:
This is currently my world:

Town:
StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+.

Null (but special):
batsnacks - His push on GB read town to me. But then he pushes on Sky which is really fucking easy at that point in time. He does instantly back off as soon as Storr does. This might just be scum trying to buddy up by sheeping Storr, which would mean that Sky is town. As such, I'm ready to put bats on my scum list if Sky flips town (which means I'm decently happy to lynch Sky today).

Palmar - Palmar trying to take charge of town is scaring the shit out of me. Where was this Palmar last game? What changed? I like his Hopeless push, it's someone who I've felt might be scummy as well. But ugh. Does anyone have any information on Palmar's scumplay with links and shit? Because at this rate I'm never going to have a good read on him unless we lynch hopeless and he flips scum, which I'm not convinced about at this point in time.

Palmar, what is your opinion on FF? Have you read what I've said about him? If so, what do you think?

Scum:
Fecalfeast - Read still the same, he hasn't done anything significant since I've given this read except go on Sky, which seems like a very fucking easy lynch/push at that point. The fact that no one else has pinged you out for this is also really weird. Scum should be on your fucking ass for this shit, but no one is. You're scum.

SkyDragon (leaning) - You've been given some space, I'm expecting you to use this space before the EoD to come up with some good content. Failure to do so means I lynch you.

Hopeless (leaning) - Palmar has given a decent push on hopeless already. His filter feels devoid of any kind of proactivity. Why are you fine with sitting back and just giving comments? Fucking do something (see below). I would also really like to see you start a push on someone. I'd prefer lynching FF and Sky (if he keeps lurking) over hopeless right now, but I think we have a somewhat decent shot of hitting scum here if we want to go down this path.


At this point I would like a town/scum circle/list from the following people before EoD:
- Hopeless1der
- Glowingbear
- ObiWanShinobi
- HaruRH
- FecalFeast
- Batsnacks
- justanothertownie
- StorrZerg

##Vote: FecalFeast


Just going to go out there and say this is almost the worst post in the thread. I said before and apparently superbia just criticised me for not reading it so I'll show you why it's ultimately terrible.

First and foremost, his read on storr is so weird because it relies on storr stopping pushing on his scum read because a lot of pressure was on the scum read (many people have actually done this but superbia only focuses on storr here for no reason).

Secondly, his null reads on Batsnacks and Palmar. Not only is his read on batsnacks super duper supppperrrr wishy washy it is ridiculous. He gives town points to storr for backing off on skydragon but then when batsnacks has supposedly posted towny things (in superbia's eyes) and then does the same thing as storr batsnacks could be scummy!?!?!? Not only that but then he further adds the scummiest thing ever in this paragraph that if skydragon flips town that batsnacks is scum. This is so uncalled for and makes so little sense that it screams scummy to me.

His Palmar read is meh and he can't be bothered to research it for himself but it's not really anything to care about other than him only being able to trust palmar if hopeless flips mafia despite palmar pushing several people and not just hopeless.

Now. Shit gets scummy. Not only does superbia scum read skydragon but throughout this entire post he has been saying people are scummy for scum reading and pressuring skydragon. Not only should this be contradictory to his own thought process but instead he should be determining the opposite reads, that the people pressuring his scum reads are more towny. Apparently just because he pressured sky when everyone else did fecal becomes somehow the scummiest out of EVERYONE in the game that did the same thing. Despite still scum reading sky. He also uses some crap about nobody calling him out for it which doesn't make any sense because what he has posted hasn't been too bad when I looked at it.

Hopeless read is.... not really a read but w/e


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 16:24 GMT
#711
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2014 09:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
I really like batsnacks' post on GB, even if it is a little shallow with the 3rd person stuff. I was on SkyDragon's side until right about here.
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:02 SkyDragon wrote:
Seer is welcome to spy on me, I have nothing to hide.

This post came out of left field and, especially in the context of his other posts, feels so wrong. I would have liked to give him the benefit of the doubt and lynch him day2 but his sudden switch from storr to bats was off, too.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 09:30 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 26 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:
On September 26 2014 09:19 SkyDragon wrote:
I would say Bats at this stage. Storr just doesn't seem as suspicious to me anymore.


Why? Your main read on Storr was that he was aggressive (correct me if I'm wrong here), which he still very much is.


That's true. I was making my reply to him (Thoroughly checking his comments) but noticed that he generally became less aggressive as the game has continued. My main issues with him still are that

- He confirmed himself and insisted that he was Town in his very first post
- He started pointing fingers at FF and GB within minutes of his first post
- He stated that ObiWan was probably Town, even though the guy had barely said anything of relevance at that stage

So three reasons listed why storr is suspicious and his biggest case was on storr originally yet he votes batsnacks
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 09:33 SkyDragon wrote:
I still think he's suspicious though but am far more suspicious of Bat now simply because he refused to defend himself against my accusations.


So rather than vote someone you have real evidence on, you are voting for someone who wont respond to you? The guy who you have been scumreading all game literally called you out and voted for you yet you completely ignore him?

##vote: SkyDragon

I haven't been playing much because I am moving house, I will be most active from 3pm-10pm PST



^ i like this post the most from fecal
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 16:26 GMT
#716
i really want to lynch superbia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 16:27 GMT
#717
he practically told us sky will flip town and he'll start scum reading batsnacks anyway
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:19 GMT
#748
On September 27 2014 01:35 Superbia wrote:
HF, what the fuck dude. Read the fucking context (AND READ MY FILTER). I've explained before why I feel Storr is town, him backing off just adds to that. Bats is just like "yeah I guess we should back off like Storr said" (not exact quote) so no, he doesn't get fucking town points for that. Yeah, maybe my "skydragon flips town -> bats is probably scum" read is a bit extreme, but I don't think it's completely uncalled for here. Furthermore, it's for a later point in time anyway so I'm expecting to have a better read on bats then anyway.

If plenty of people jump on a certain person after he's been read scummy by others, then that fucking stands out to me. Two worlds:
Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard.
Sky is scum -> Less information, not going to draw any hard conclusions from this.

Stop wasting my fucking time dude, I don't have all the time and energy in the world. If you have questions fucking ask them, don't just start some shitty push on me because then I have to fucking walk through my entire thought process. Now I have to fucking go and my time could've been spent on something more productive. I'll be back before EoD.


The red is just a flat out lie:

StorrZerg gets a daypass for today! Reason is quite simple, I've seen Storr's scum game twice now (last game and watching mafia all-stars) and I'm pretty confident in identifying it (d2+).

can't read till day 2 ^

On September 26 2014 07:43 Superbia wrote:
Why would I even consider Storr today if I feel I can easily read him during later days?

Sky, would you support a hopeless lynch?


^ not considering today can read later

Storr is scum: d1 he fools me, probably gets a misslynch. d2 I probably get a scumread on him and want to kill him.
Storr is town: d1 gets a pass, d2 I probably read him as town this day and rest of all days to come.


^ he will fool you on day 1 and day 2 you can read him


thennnnnnnnnnnnnnn


Town:
StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+.


magically your town read evolves out of nothing and he gets 1000 town points for doing something relatively straightforward but apparently you've already explained how he he is town and now you just get angry when I know your filter better than yourself


The rest of your post is exactly what I was talking about before, you're living in a super world where sky flips town and making associations based on that despite him not flipping, yet, for some reason, the alternative isn't worth your time exploring despite being an easier thing to do. ESPECIALLY as you're scum reading sky so that should be the universe you are living in.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:22 GMT
#751
Also your main scum read was fecalfeast who you said was jumping all over skydragon yet your choice of one scum jumping on skydragon was seemingly batsnacks who actually pulled off of skydragon. It's mindbogglingly inconsistent.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:23 GMT
#754
On September 27 2014 02:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 02:17 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:01 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:15 HaruRH wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:11 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:07 HaruRH wrote:
On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.

On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:
[quote]

That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1.


"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.

On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF.


Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.


for this post, palmar is town. People who played in fanfic would know why.


can you explain why?


he 'jokes' about hating policy lynches in fanfic when i called him out for loving policy lynches but stating he hates them in fanfic (he does this shit all the time) and now he isn't deciding on policy lynching me immediately. This feels town to me.


LOL I totally rescind my read now that Haru is actually playing.
This is town Haru.


Hence why your push was terrible. You started pushing someone that was clearly busy. All you had to do was wait and see. If haru followed true, he would have been posting.
After worlds with no pressure. Your push literally acomplished nothing.
Your read is now based off haru being active now and playing. So bad


I haven't read him town for him being active, I read him town because his posts sounded townish. I have a good grasp of how haru sound as town and how he sounds as scum.

You're scum this game, storr, and I'll prove it soon enough


Must be really be really hard to explain your change of view on haru? ( explain what he did that makes you town read him) so yeah, I'm going to pull that read you used for hf mafia for failing to continue pressure on haru. Wait, hf actually backed off for a reason he said. You have not.

Secondly must be a bitch as mafia when you try and lynch a confirmed town.


If I say, I'll make Haru self aware and he will use it as scum. I'd rather say I believe he is town because his last posts sounded townish.
I haven't backed off when people said Haru is town. I backed off when I've got my own read from Haru, which is different from what HF did.

God, I want to lynch you so hard. (Not God. You.)


I still don't understand why you keep repeating this thing about me. Fully explain how it's scummy and what exactly you would have done when you made a case and then it was disproved by some evidence?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:25 GMT
#757
So when you guys want to stop being useless and comment on my actual game relevant information you can do that thanks.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:29 GMT
#760
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?user=Superbia

This is superbia's filter from his newbie game as town. Make any conclusions you wish.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:30 GMT
#762
On September 27 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 02:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:17 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:01 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:15 HaruRH wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:11 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:07 HaruRH wrote:
On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.

[quote]

"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.

[quote]

Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.


for this post, palmar is town. People who played in fanfic would know why.


can you explain why?


he 'jokes' about hating policy lynches in fanfic when i called him out for loving policy lynches but stating he hates them in fanfic (he does this shit all the time) and now he isn't deciding on policy lynching me immediately. This feels town to me.


LOL I totally rescind my read now that Haru is actually playing.
This is town Haru.


Hence why your push was terrible. You started pushing someone that was clearly busy. All you had to do was wait and see. If haru followed true, he would have been posting.
After worlds with no pressure. Your push literally acomplished nothing.
Your read is now based off haru being active now and playing. So bad


I haven't read him town for him being active, I read him town because his posts sounded townish. I have a good grasp of how haru sound as town and how he sounds as scum.

You're scum this game, storr, and I'll prove it soon enough


Must be really be really hard to explain your change of view on haru? ( explain what he did that makes you town read him) so yeah, I'm going to pull that read you used for hf mafia for failing to continue pressure on haru. Wait, hf actually backed off for a reason he said. You have not.

Secondly must be a bitch as mafia when you try and lynch a confirmed town.


If I say, I'll make Haru self aware and he will use it as scum. I'd rather say I believe he is town because his last posts sounded townish.
I haven't backed off when people said Haru is town. I backed off when I've got my own read from Haru, which is different from what HF did.

God, I want to lynch you so hard. (Not God. You.)


I still don't understand why you keep repeating this thing about me. Fully explain how it's scummy and what exactly you would have done when you made a case and then it was disproved by some evidence?


you're not escaping from this GB
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:31 GMT
#763
ok nvm it still doesn't answer it but i don't even care anymore
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
September 26 2014 17:39 GMT
#767
On September 27 2014 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 02:30 Holyflare wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:17 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 02:01 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:15 HaruRH wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:11 StorrZerg wrote:
[quote]

can you explain why?


he 'jokes' about hating policy lynches in fanfic when i called him out for loving policy lynches but stating he hates them in fanfic (he does this shit all the time) and now he isn't deciding on policy lynching me immediately. This feels town to me.


LOL I totally rescind my read now that Haru is actually playing.
This is town Haru.


Hence why your push was terrible. You started pushing someone that was clearly busy. All you had to do was wait and see. If haru followed true, he would have been posting.
After worlds with no pressure. Your push literally acomplished nothing.
Your read is now based off haru being active now and playing. So bad


I haven't read him town for him being active, I read him town because his posts sounded townish. I have a good grasp of how haru sound as town and how he sounds as scum.

You're scum this game, storr, and I'll prove it soon enough


Must be really be really hard to explain your change of view on haru? ( explain what he did that makes you town read him) so yeah, I'm going to pull that read you used for hf mafia for failing to continue pressure on haru. Wait, hf actually backed off for a reason he said. You have not.

Secondly must be a bitch as mafia when you try and lynch a confirmed town.


If I say, I'll make Haru self aware and he will use it as scum. I'd rather say I believe he is town because his last posts sounded townish.
I haven't backed off when people said Haru is town. I backed off when I've got my own read from Haru, which is different from what HF did.

God, I want to lynch you so hard. (Not God. You.)


I still don't understand why you keep repeating this thing about me. Fully explain how it's scummy and what exactly you would have done when you made a case and then it was disproved by some evidence?


you're not escaping from this GB


I've seen you starting a strong case against a team mate and after some little time you backed off. It happened on the last game we were scum together.
What people have brought was not evidence, was speculation. It was "I think he is lying" versus "I don't think he is lying". It's not strong enough to make someone say "you don't think he is lying? Ok I don't think he is lying either, then". Specially in the beginning of the game where it's easy to mafia to back up a partner with enough time to lead a mislynch to someone else.

This is my explanation why it felt scummy. But the rest of your game started looking townish to me.

The end.


did you not read the thread at all?!?! I din't back off because of speculation. I pushed it when these people were saying that but then haru came in with his quote (evidence) that he meant blue!?

On September 25 2014 08:42 HaruRH wrote:
Yes. I didn't reveal i was blue yet at that point in the game. However, i obviously meant blue.

Show nested quote +
HaruRH

09-21-2014

06:37 AM ET (US)

Meh.
Tired of blue roles.
6/11 blue in my games.


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