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SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 20:15 GMT
#1203
Hey guys. Just started reading but I have to admit that Hopeless turning out to be green was a shocker for me. In-between his hard-on for me and GB being Mafia (When there are more suspicious players around in my view), and HF's case that Hopeless may have been lying, it caught me by surprise.

Still reading but I'll give some input once I've caught up.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 21:16 GMT
#1258
Well, considering Killing said

- Me, GB and Palmar were scum
- GB turned out to be Town
- I know I'm Town

In my view, Palmar is probably Town as well then because Killing has talked rubbish from his very first post by making silly conclusions based on flimsy evidence.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 21:18 GMT
#1261
lol

That made me smile. Thanks.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 21:25 GMT
#1264
I'm starting to think that Killing is claiming Seer to get real Seer to reveal themselves somehow so he can be killed tonight.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 21:34 GMT
#1272
Sounds good. I have a feeling he's trying it on regardless but we'll see.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 21:53 GMT
#1277
I don't even know what the fuck is going on anymore.

Killing claims to be Seer and calls Bats Green. Also says that he has a Red Check. Now, I'm not familiar with this strange terminology but I'm assuming that he means he knows who one Wolf is. So who is it? And why are you dodging the issue?

Also, why on Earth would a Seer reveal themselves as Seer at this stage unless they're retarded or Mafia?
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 21:55 GMT
#1280
So who is the Red Check?
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 21:56 GMT
#1282
And why aren't you telling us knowing that they can be vote lynched right now?
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 22:37 GMT
#1305
There's only really two options:

- Killing really is Seer, really did see Bats as Green and really does know who one Wolf is.
- Killing isn't Seer and is just goofing around
- Killing is Mafia and trying to get the real Seer to reveal themselves

1. If Killing really is the Seer, then it was a terrible move by him since Mafia will just kill him tonight. Why even bother to reveal when you only know who one Wolf is? And why keep that one Wolf secret when we could all give valid input on who all 3 members are? It just doesn't make sense at all and I think he's lying.

2. If Killing is goofing around, what is the point? Why risk getting killed off by Mafia? No information would be extracted from doing something like this.

3. Pretending to be Seer and pointing random fingers could possibly get the real Seer to reveal themselves. If nothing else, the Seer would probably spy Killing tonight, confirm he's Wolf and try and make an attempt to disseminate that information to the rest of us tomorrow.

Personally, I'm strongly leaning in favor of 3. If he really is a Wolf, that limits the potential number of other Wolves because he has raised suspicion or tried lynching a number of people so far:

- FecalFeast
- SkyDragon
- Batsnacks
- Palmar
- JAT
- HF

HaruRH voted to lynch Killing earlier so I'm going to assume that he/she's not Mafia. That leaves:

- Storr
- Killing
- Obi
- Superbia

I don't know if my analysis is correct, but I believe the 3 Mafia members to be in the group of Storr, Killing, Obi and/or Superbia.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 22:39 GMT
#1307
"Fake a red"? Seriously?
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 27 2014 23:35 GMT
#1340
I'm out of here as well. I may or may not come back and check in tomorrow since my lynch vote is staying on Killing till the end of d2 over what happened earlier.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 09:09 GMT
#1372
You guys are the worst group of people I've ever played with, hands down. You can all pat yourselves on the back when I'm confirmed Villager.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 13:04 GMT
#1376
I've already pointed out who I think Mafia are. Sorry, but I can't do all this deep analysis stuff (Which is wrong most of the time anyway) and I just rely on gut instinct when it comes to such things.

But go ahead and lynch me. I've only ever given GB a somewhat free pass whilst saying that I'm suspicious of everyone else (GB, who turned out to be a Villager when most people insisted that he was scum) - If that makes me scum, then whatever. Just goes to show that almost everyone's readings and analysis in this game is garbage.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 13:37 GMT
#1380
On September 28 2014 22:08 Holyflare wrote:
and if storr turns out to be town then are you willing to admit your analysis is also garbage???


Of course! I'm not some person who thinks his analysis is perfect or anything. I'm just getting a little annoyed that Hopeless, a Villager, got lynched on d1 (Because it turned out most of us were wrong) then GB was also killed off (Another Villager). That leaves 8 Town and 3 Mafia.

Lynch me, Mafia kills another tonight and that leaves 6 Town and 3 Mafia at start of d3. It's hard not to get a little frustrated. Pretty much gg by d4.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 14:18 GMT
#1386
Actually, I think I'll remove my lynch vote from Killing. I went out to prove him guilty but now I don't think he is. Looking at it from Killing's perspective (If he's Seer), his posts to date make sense if he really is Seer.

On d1, he knew that Hopeless is Villager, and his posts seem to tally up with that since he defends Hopeless and calls him Town at every opportunity. He also puts him in the 'Town Circle'.

On September 26 2014 08:21 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:04 Superbia wrote:
On September 26 2014 07:57 Killing wrote:
All you need to win this game is a town circle of 7 (including yourself).

Killing
Storr
Superbia
HF
Haru
Hopeless

I personally think that's a strong town circle. Basically just need 1 more and game is easy rares especially since seer will probably come out with red or green on someone scummy tommorow. I really wanna hear reads from obi and bat.


How are you reading hopeless town?


Yolo read off of one post, although I like what else he has said. He's my weakest town atm but at least when I read his posts I thought he was town.


On September 26 2014 23:26 Killing wrote:
-PALMAR FUCKING MAD THAT HIS TEAM IS LOSING SO HE'S TRYING TO MAKE A CASE ON HOPELESS. I also think he's mad that my town circle is god tier amazing so he's trying to lynch me. When I roll town, I just assume everything I'm doing is right so when people go against me, I'm always highly suspicious that I'm just about to truck mafia and they are getting mad at about it.

-I don't know if you guys get mad when vts tell the seer who they think they should check but I think palmar is a really great check. He had unsubstantiated reads at the start of the day who ended up being scum read and then he backed off of them and I believe that now he's trying to start a BW onto hopeless when his partners are under fire.

Other than that, I also think GB would be a good check. A lot of people are trying to kill him ( including myself), if he flips mafia then good stuff and if he flips town, I think that's also good info.

IN B4 PALMAR STARTS YELLING AT ME great stuff can't wait

Updated Reads:

Town
-Storr
-HF
-Haru
-Obi
-SuperBia
-Hopeless (u mad palmar??????)


On September 27 2014 05:18 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:20 HaruRH wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:14 HaruRH wrote:
FINALLY MY FIRST GREEN VANILLA TOWN GAME IN AGES YESSSSSSS


this is bull shit

##vote harurh


You don't have to believe me as I'm more excited to celebrate the fact that i rolled vt than trying to convince you i am vt


I don't correlate activity with alignment. If someone makes 3 posts and I find the posts townie, I call them town. I believe hopeless is town.


In response to the vote train on Hopeless and he probably didn't want to make it obvious that he was Seer.

On September 27 2014 09:51 Killing wrote:
HOPELESS BW IS FUCKING BAD PLEASE ALL OFF


On September 27 2014 09:57 Killing wrote:
But for serious, this is a shit vote


At this stage, Hopeless was lynched and Killing had already spied on Bats to confirm him as Villager:

On September 28 2014 00:46 Killing wrote:
Me and snatbacks vs the world


I think he just started getting irritated with the accusations of being scum:

On September 28 2014 05:39 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 05:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
JAT you didn't really push killing today. All I could find from D2 that you said about killing is:
On September 28 2014 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:11 HaruRH wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:06 Holyflare wrote:
I dislike people that say random shit like "mafia led bandwagons" but then don't point out how it was mafia led or what causes it, it's so superficial and useless.

Indeed. Same about "there are that many mafia on this wagon and one on the others". Completely baseless and stupid statement.


You're just jelly.

Nah. Killing killing might be a very good idea though, I admit.

On September 28 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:15 Killing wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:11 HaruRH wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:06 Holyflare wrote:
I dislike people that say random shit like "mafia led bandwagons" but then don't point out how it was mafia led or what causes it, it's so superficial and useless.

Indeed. Same about "there are that many mafia on this wagon and one on the others". Completely baseless and stupid statement.


You're just jelly.

Nah. Killing killing might be a very good idea though, I admit.


TELL ME WHY I'M MAFIA. PLEASE

You came in 5 minutes before deadline shitting on the lynch and were way too sure that hopeless would flip town.


I don't know.. Not a very aggressive push in my book.

Maybe you should visit an optician then. Most of my posts today were either pushing for or interrogating Killing.


Can you confirm your only reason you think I'm scum is "You came in 5 minutes before deadline shitting on the lynch and were way too sure that hopeless would flip town"


On September 28 2014 05:45 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:39 Killing wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
JAT you didn't really push killing today. All I could find from D2 that you said about killing is:
On September 28 2014 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:11 HaruRH wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:06 Holyflare wrote:
I dislike people that say random shit like "mafia led bandwagons" but then don't point out how it was mafia led or what causes it, it's so superficial and useless.

Indeed. Same about "there are that many mafia on this wagon and one on the others". Completely baseless and stupid statement.


You're just jelly.

Nah. Killing killing might be a very good idea though, I admit.

On September 28 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:15 Killing wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:11 HaruRH wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
Indeed. Same about "there are that many mafia on this wagon and one on the others". Completely baseless and stupid statement.


You're just jelly.

Nah. Killing killing might be a very good idea though, I admit.


TELL ME WHY I'M MAFIA. PLEASE

You came in 5 minutes before deadline shitting on the lynch and were way too sure that hopeless would flip town.


I don't know.. Not a very aggressive push in my book.

Maybe you should visit an optician then. Most of my posts today were either pushing for or interrogating Killing.


Can you confirm your only reason you think I'm scum is "You came in 5 minutes before deadline shitting on the lynch and were way too sure that hopeless would flip town"

That is the main reason. You claim to have townread Hopeless all the time but you did NOTHING to stop the lynch from happening. You didn't even try. It doesn't help you that you also did not do anything even remotely towny the whole game.


Meh probably shoulda tried harder but it was pretty impossible so I didn't bother. That's still a terrible reason for scum reading me.


So in the heat of the moment, claimed Seer to put an end to the debate.

On September 28 2014 05:47 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 05:46 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:45 Killing wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:39 Killing wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
JAT you didn't really push killing today. All I could find from D2 that you said about killing is:
On September 28 2014 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:11 HaruRH wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
Indeed. Same about "there are that many mafia on this wagon and one on the others". Completely baseless and stupid statement.


You're just jelly.

Nah. Killing killing might be a very good idea though, I admit.

On September 28 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:15 Killing wrote:
On September 28 2014 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
Nah. Killing killing might be a very good idea though, I admit.


TELL ME WHY I'M MAFIA. PLEASE

You came in 5 minutes before deadline shitting on the lynch and were way too sure that hopeless would flip town.


I don't know.. Not a very aggressive push in my book.

Maybe you should visit an optician then. Most of my posts today were either pushing for or interrogating Killing.


Can you confirm your only reason you think I'm scum is "You came in 5 minutes before deadline shitting on the lynch and were way too sure that hopeless would flip town"

That is the main reason. You claim to have townread Hopeless all the time but you did NOTHING to stop the lynch from happening. You didn't even try. It doesn't help you that you also did not do anything even remotely towny the whole game.


Meh probably shoulda tried harder but it was pretty impossible so I didn't bother. That's still a terrible reason for scum reading me.

No, it is a very good reason.


GONNA BE A PRETTY FUCKING BAD REASON WHEN I CLAIM SEER


On September 28 2014 05:52 Killing wrote:
I'm claiming.

I have a red check, I just wanted to see if I could kill the person today without outing but it seems it's a no go. I think the team is: SkyDragon, Red Check and a random third.


Still think it was a terrible move on his part. The lie about a Red Check made it look even worse for him.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 14:51 GMT
#1400
On September 28 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 23:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On September 28 2014 23:13 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 28 2014 23:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Sup.

You too. Who should we lynch today and why?


I'm starting to think about Haru.

I don't really know where he stands on anything now that Killing claimed Seer, and I can't remember anything he has posted except the fact that he dropped Killing from his scumlist for no reason.

Ok. What about Sky?


Can also see this wagon happening.

HF/others have already pointed out a bunch of problem posts, but another thing I didn't like about him:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?page=66#1305

He drops a bunch of names based on GB's raising suspicion of people (ie nonreasons), and follows it up with generic advice like "if Killing claimed Seer, here are some reasons why he would have claimed Seer."

It's an inherently blendy post and it stinks.


If you had read that comment properly, you'd have noticed that those people are only suspects were Killing actually Mafia.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 14:56 GMT
#1407
It's a sentence.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 18:42 GMT
#1444
On September 28 2014 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, but I would like to know who you would vote right now. Musing about Killing and/or his alignment is not productive right now.


Well, if you really want to know, just from seeing your filter, I'd vote for you to be lynched. All you've done since the start of d1 is whine, complain and point fingers at others. You haven't really contributed anything at all but have talked enough to make it appear as if you have. Neither have you pushed anyone yourself except those who are being pushed by someone else anyway (You seem more than happy to jump on the bandwagon) and haven't said anything original at all.

I'm starting to think that you're scum.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 19:19 GMT
#1466
Okay, I know where this is going so I may as well get some things out of the way.

To other Townies (This isn't directed at the clueless ones voting to lynch me), make sure you look at who jumped on the "SkyDragon lynch" train. Not necessarily who started the train (Because it could've been clueless Townies starting it) but those who jumped on board and made it seem as though they agree with the reasons. After all, Mafia has no reason to start vote trains on anyone and expose themselves like that.

- JAT hasn't really done much all game in my view
- Storr has been suspicious to me since the start of the game
- Obi hasn't really done much either and what I said about JAT in a previous post about an hour or two ago, you can probably apply to this guy as well
- Just can't seem to accept Haru's excuse for the blue/green Villager stuff. I thought I had but I haven't.

JAT, Storr, Obi and Haru would be the ones I'd keep my eyes on.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 28 2014 19:23 GMT
#1470
GB was also pushing Storr.
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