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SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 00:45 GMT
#483
On September 26 2014 09:21 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 09:19 SkyDragon wrote:
I would say Bats at this stage. Storr just doesn't seem as suspicious to me anymore.


Could we both be mafia? How likely?


Reasonably likely. This is why I hate Day 1 - It's all just words to work off of. Different people use different cues when determining whether someone looks suspicious. A person may look suspicious to one person, but look Town to another. Until Day 2 arrives, it's mostly just guesswork that could all be wrong because everyone has a different playing style.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 01:04 GMT
#498
Well, all I can say is that I'm a Villager. Believe me or not, it doesn't matter. I was at a disadvantage from the start because the ww game culture around here is vastly different to what I'm used to.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 01:08 GMT
#501
Of course I was. You guys play differently to what I'm used to. Hell, pushing someone to prove that they're not scum like what happened to you wouldn't have resulted in your opponent deflecting it and insisting that I prove to myself that you're not scum. Like what? Who says that? Lol.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 01:32 GMT
#506
I do the same thing as well whereby you want to see the reaction that something generates. It's the way I play as well but it seems to have blown all out of proportion because people haven't given time for things to calm down and allow the real motives to become clear. My intention was to remove the lynch vote from Bats (It wasn't a serious vote) after a while if he hadn't cracked or anything but people have already prematurely assumed that I'm weirdly just all over the place and that I must be scum.

Bats made an unexpected appearance but the original three names that I stated were the people I wanted a confrontation with had he not decided to comment. Doesn't matter much now anyway. All I know is that I'm going to stay quiet from next game, whether I'm Town or Mafia.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 01:56 GMT
#513
"until people know you then trickery and hidden motives like you are claiming to be doing (with fake votes etc for pressure) just look disingenuous and like you're trying to throw suspicion on people"

Yeah, I think that's the problem and that's what I've been saying for a while now whereby I'm at a disadvantage. When you play with a group of people for a length of time, you get used to the way they play. I've never played with you guys, and you've never played with me. Hence, your playing styles feel alien to me and my one looks odd to you. I guess I shouldn't have taken such a large step forward at this stage but what's done is done.

"It is far far far better at this stage of the game for you to be honest and open and point out things you dislike rather than try and work things out like you are implying you are doing."

I'll keep that in mind.

"If so then why on earth did you not post it in favour of chasing up some silly pressure vote?"

Because Bats implied I was scum using a quote that was a response to a question that didn't really have anything to do with the game. I decided to go on the offensive, lol. He doesn't talk much anyway so I thought I'd grill him a little.

I'm going to take Storr's advice and go to sleep (3am here in the UK). I've been sitting here for hours now..
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 16:55 GMT
#732
I apologize for yesterday, guys. Was dead-tired and had only had 3 hours sleep the night before.

Just reading through the last 11-12 pages now.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 18:26 GMT
#789
I had several reasons for thinking that Storr is scum. In his first post, he claimed to be Town.

On September 25 2014 09:11 StorrZerg wrote:
sick i love being confirmed town.

lets lynch some scum


I always find such things odd, as if you're trying to paint yourself in a positive light so people are more open to any suggestions that you may have. HF did that as well, and so did Hopeless. However, I backed off from HF simply because of his evidence against Haru and I just don't see scum trying so hard at such an early stage of the game to convince people that anyone is scum and exposing themselves like that.

Within minutes, he was pointing fingers and outright accusing others of being scum.

On September 25 2014 09:20 StorrZerg wrote:
i'd lynch fecal for the donkey entrance to the game.

the overly troll attitude fecal has with the caps locks, and insta vote on holy is really throwing off scum vibes. Deff would lynch.


Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
The fact that nobody was using the voting thread made me think they were joke votes. That's why I didn't use the thread anyway.

Lol I actually like your case holyflare


"yeah right"

Also i don't like the GB entrance to the game

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On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


unless im missing a game he just played, last game he was scum. seems odd to lead with a lie.


He accused FF of having an "overly troll attitude", voting HF (A joke vote which he should've known about if he is as smart as people say he is) and "throwing off scum vibes". He also doubted FF's sincerity for putting a joke vote on HF, but gave ObiWan a free pass (Who hadn't even said much at all), which seems contradictory. According to what criteria was he "throwing off scum vibes"? Storr's? It just didn't sit easy with me.

The GB statement, I don't have a problem with. It made me a little suspicious of him as well but I think he's Town and he has the right intentions whereby he really is trying to force people to talk so we can all read people a little better.

Storr then reinforces his positive image by saying that he is Town again.

On September 25 2014 10:09 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
On September 25 2014 09:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Storr, what do you think of HF and Hopeless?

What do you think of HF's case?


I am sorry that you have rolled mafia again.


on the contrary, maybe you have. I'm pleased to be town.


Then he said that Obi is probably Town

On September 25 2014 10:11 StorrZerg wrote:
obi probably town too.


Based on what? All Obi had said up to that point was

On September 25 2014 08:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Sup nerds?


On September 25 2014 08:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
By "that" I meant get people to follow your policy lynch. You can vote whoever the hell you want.


Wanna bet?

##vote holyflare


On September 25 2014 08:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On September 25 2014 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF confirmed literate. Sadly that's not enough for me to lynch Haru


Hi! I have a feeling that there is a mafia between you and holyflare.

Why not both?


Why do you think this?


On September 25 2014 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Do they often dislike each other?


Not afaik.

I don't understand your case.


On September 25 2014 09:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On September 25 2014 09:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Do they often dislike each other?


Not afaik.

I don't understand your case.


My case?


Your case.

If one could even call it that.


On September 25 2014 09:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fair enough, GB.


On September 25 2014 09:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 09:27 SkyDragon wrote:
Actually, all three of them claimed to be Town from the off, and HF decided to throw some names out as well (When barely anyone had posted and probably to deflect suspicion from himself). Just thinking out loud.


This is actually a really weird post. It looks like you're trying to make HF look suspicious without actually pressuring him or putting yourself in the spotlight. Are you afraid of engaging him or what are you doing, exactly?


On September 25 2014 09:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare knows I'm town because he is good enough to read me when I'm being town.

Asking about holyflare's case to everyone is my way to get people talking and getting reads from them.


Assuming he's good enough to read anyone.


On September 25 2014 10:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
<3


I just don't see how anyone could have come to that conclusion so easily when he's barely said anything worthwhile.

I also found it odd how he was so willing to believe that Haru was Town as well based on the evidence that she presented. I don't see why anyone would get excited about being Green vt just because they've been Blue vt previously. I'm not saying she's scum but Storr believed her a bit too quickly for my liking. He also became cosy with him/her rather quickly, even promising to stop them from being lynched:

On September 26 2014 00:03 StorrZerg wrote:
its cool Haru ill make sure you are not miss lynched today


I don't know. All of this doesn't feel right somehow. We all have equal odds at this stage because it's all words and speculation, but saying such things makes it seem as though he already has some sort of connection with her to be saying such things. Who becomes so close to someone on Day 1 that they're promising to stop them getting lynched? I just find it really weird.

And again, he seems to be trying really hard to come across as Town

On September 26 2014 02:22 StorrZerg wrote:
Well, i'm happy you are on the same page as me Killing, and regardless of your alignment you have practically confirmed me as town so that's fantastic.


On September 26 2014 08:59 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:58 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 26 2014 08:55 StorrZerg wrote:
yep all ready confirmed right here.


Self-confirmation doesn't make it so.

In that case, I'm confirmed Town as well. Because I said so.


see it only works if you truly believe.

its like magic, you got none. no belief no swag. #wrecked


"It only works if you truly believe"? Wtf does that mean? You're either Town or you're not. Does that mean that you're scum? Playing completely like you're Town, as if you've been given a Town card and you won't let any scum thoughts enter your mind even though you're scum? In essence, you've been given the scum card but 'you truly believe that you're Town so you're Town'? Just doesn't sit right with me at all.

I've thought Storr has been pretty suspicious to varying degrees over the last 48 hours anyway. He may have 'lightened up' for a brief period yesterday (Hence why I said he was less suspicious) but overall, I still think he's more likely than everyone else to be scum.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 18:35 GMT
#795
I do, but there's no point in me posting anything because it just confuses some folk who think that those responses are part of the game.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 18:37 GMT
#796
On September 27 2014 03:34 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 03:26 SkyDragon wrote:


"It only works if you truly believe"? Wtf does that mean? You're either Town or you're not. Does that mean that you're scum? Playing completely like you're Town, as if you've been given a Town card and you won't let any scum thoughts enter your mind even though you're scum? In essence, you've been given the scum card but 'you truly believe that you're Town so you're Town'? Just doesn't sit right with me at all.

I've thought Storr has been pretty suspicious to varying degrees over the last 48 hours anyway. He may have 'lightened up' for a brief period yesterday (Hence why I said he was less suspicious) but overall, I still think he's more likely than everyone else to be scum.


See you don't believe, hence you could never understand. So 0 point of you speculating on how i can do this. Or even why its relevant to the game at this point (besides me being confirmed town)


Well.. That didn't explain anything at all. And there you go again confirming yourself as Town as if that somehow magically makes people believe it.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 18:50 GMT
#802
Yeah, but Scum is known to make excuses about real-world problems for their lack of activity. It gives them an excuse to just sit in the background while Town accuses each other for stupid reasons. Although I think Haru had a reasonably valid reason for getting excited about green vt, it still could be a ruse. Your eagerness at jumping on board the "Haru is town" train and even going as far as to protect Haru just seems really odd to me.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 19:11 GMT
#809
I'm well aware that people have to tend to real life. I just stated that Scum uses it as an excuse more often than not.

Also, you admit that both sides could use that excuse, but Haru is Town because.. Well, just because you say he/she is. Of course, there's also the fact that things apparently just flowed "naturally" out of Haru when he/she admitted to being blue/green vt (According to you) and now you're willing to protect him/her against anything and everything now.

Nice logic there. Flawed and something that I'd never, ever do because it just does not make sense.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#826
On September 27 2014 04:41 Palmar wrote:
Another friendly reminder (possibly my last, I'm going out) that hopeless is a great lynch.

Superbia is probably not mafia.


Yeah, I have to say that I'm leaning that way too.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 20:13 GMT
#837
I thought it's quite apparent what I'm pushing - That both Town and Scum can use real-world excuses for long periods of absence. You're now saying that you defended Haru because he wasn't around, which is fair enough but I don't see any reason as to why anyone would bother defending anyone on Day 1 since he could be scum trying to hide. He's obviously visiting this thread at least once a day so doesn't need anyone to speak for him or defend him. I thought that all of this is pretty obvious.

I'm not trumping up anything that I haven't already said before.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 20:37 GMT
#844
On September 27 2014 05:24 StorrZerg wrote:
@palmar you have been asked before to read Skydragon. why have you avoided him... he is a gold mine of false promises and contradictions. Hell his active pushing right now is almost as if someone told him how to do something.


Bolded for what follows:

On September 26 2014 10:37 StorrZerg wrote:
seriously sky. just take a step back, away for an hour. Come back, respond to things on page 26 and back. Then read page 26 and forward. respond. then you are allowed to get frustrated.


On September 26 2014 08:56 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:56 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 26 2014 08:53 batsnacks wrote:I guess you can't convince yourself I'm not scum if you're scum. Sorry I should have considered that.

I mean wolf.


You haven't said anything worthwhile. Just deflected, deflected and deflected.


YOU CAN"T AVOID ME FOREVER

##VOTE SKYDRAGON


On September 26 2014 08:54 StorrZerg wrote:
bat stop being a distracting woman with bare breasts.

cover those knockers out so he can focus on something he has planned to do, and is failing to do.


On September 26 2014 08:51 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:51 SkyDragon wrote:
So a post made in response to a question asking "why d1 claimers got lynched on SK" is "scummy"? Really? Jesus Christ.

And did you really just say that I have to convince myself that you're not scum? And how would I be able to do that? Please enlighten me.


easy stop being distracted and press your case on me


On September 26 2014 08:49 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:34 SkyDragon wrote:
I was actually in the middle of writing a long post about Storr (Hence why I went quiet) but refreshed the page and saw your diatribe aimed at both me and GB. GB is clearly forcing people to talk by claiming that they're suspicious and I think that it's a good strategy. It doesn't matter whether he backtracks because the point is to force people out of the shadows and defend themselves. You just don't get that.


next time ignore it and finish your post..


On September 26 2014 08:12 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 08:02 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 26 2014 07:54 SkyDragon wrote:
On September 26 2014 07:43 Superbia wrote:
Why would I even consider Storr today if I feel I can easily read him during later days?

Sky, would you support a hopeless lynch?


Yeah, I'd be willing to take a gamble on him. I'd rather go for Storr though.


ok so then push me. make a detailed read, quote some posts. explain why i'm scummy.


@SKYDRAGON

seriously stop dodging
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 22:01 GMT
#859
Explain, please.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 22:15 GMT
#874
On September 27 2014 07:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 07:01 SkyDragon wrote:
Explain, please.


You keep asking this and nobody has really posted but things that you state are "off topic" don't really exist in TL. If you spend the majority of your time talking about setup, what your other site does and not game related stuff it makes you look like you are appearing to contribute but none of that is really analytical and people will scum read you for it.

JAT is saying you've done the same thing there by talking about what town and mafia can do in a certain situation. You are talking about more strategy but not game content.


Ah, I see now. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not used to analyzing what people say and, as you said, prefer strategy to win the game rather than bothering to push people. It's one reason why I;m here - so I can see how you guys play and maybe learn a thing or two. I'll try and analyze things more.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 22:55 GMT
#893
You know Storr, I just noticed that when things don't go your way, you seem to really take it personally. It's a bit childish. I think your vote on me is simply just to remove anyone calling you out and making you look like scum. Were I to be lynched, I think it's highly likely that GB will be your next target for Day 2 (Or Day 3 if you don't want to make it obvious).
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 23:03 GMT
#896
I was implying that you were scum trying to take out anyone who made you look like it. Were me and GB taken out, the rest of the game would be easy for you and the Wolves. You have half the town wrapped around your little finger and you've already stated earlier that you're playing to win.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 23:13 GMT
#901
I don't, but he's suspicious of Storr like I am. If Storr actually is scum, then GB is Town. My only real obstacle to showing that I really am a Villager has been Storr. He's taken a very active role since the start of d1 and has effectively told others who is Town and who isn't, who should be lynched and who shouldn't be, whose readings to take seriously and whose readings are nonsense. He's basically manipulating a large number of people to see things in the way that he wants them to see things. It's scummy to me.
SkyDragon
Profile Joined September 2014
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 26 2014 23:41 GMT
#928
Hopeless' ninja vote isn't suspicious at all. Insisted GB was scum over the last 48 hours, but then voted for someone else with no reasons whatsoever.
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